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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:41 am

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VC 3.00
garaputo (0)-

northsidegal (0)-

Wisdom (0)-

BuJaber (0)-

Kublai Khan (0)-


Not Voting (5)-
garaputo, nortsidegal, Wisdom, BuJaber, Kublai Khan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-30 13:45:00) - Jan 30th 13:45 GMT
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:50 am

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I'll vote with kublai Khan and NSG on whomever they chose (including me).
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:57 am

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But nsg could be scum.

I don't like this game anymore.

Vote wisdom
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:58 am

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In post 577, BuJaber wrote:But nsg could be scum.

I don't like this game anymore.

VOTE: wisdom
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:00 am

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VOTE: bu

bu > north > gara
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:01 am

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I prefer voting bu to wisdom at this point, will wait for our conftown to weigh in.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:02 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:03 am

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we know what our conftown thinks
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:04 am

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Thanks for playing

Scum is definitely nsg/garaputo. I need time to figure out which.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:10 am

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Wisdom any way you would believe I'm town without seeing me flip first?
Actually it doesn't matter if you end up with khan at LYLO.. we need to convince Khan you're town instead.
Okay so 1) we need to know for sure that the only way for anyone to die is through lynch. I don't know how we can do this. It appears we just have to assume they don't given that we killed the day 2 sniper.
2) if one of me/wisdom dies we need to make sure Khan will not vote for the other at all.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:14 am

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Let's get the real wagons started.
VOTE: nsg
My gut tells me this is the scum.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:15 am

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i dont think ill be in lylo

we need three to lynch, so every townie other than khan needs to vote the same person in order to lynch anyone other than me
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:20 am

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That's why I can't risk it. Either I'm right or I'm wrong. If I'm right but they don't listen to me we lose quickly. If I'm wrong they kill you and town wins. But right now I'm 95% sure you're town. And 75% sure nsg is scum not gara.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:49 am

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meh

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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:13 am

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In post 583, BuJaber wrote:Thanks for playing

Scum is definitely nsg/garaputo. I need time to figure out which.
Why not Wisdom?
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:20 am

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not feeling nsg. If kublia khan is so be it.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:06 am

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Wisdom has become more interested in the game but not more interested in staying alive.
However that did not translate into being more analytical or arguing more or trying to accuse/defend people.

Yes he could be scum and faking. Yes he could be scum and not faking. But if he is scum I would expect more attempts at manipulating town. Also I don't think the weird interaction with UCV's hammer reaction test is a scum one.

Plus I still haven't changed my mind about what I originally said in day 1 that one scum would probably be among those against massclaim and one for massclaim. AFM was against, so I'm hesitant to think either wisdom/gara is the 2nd scum. I'm obviously treating this part of my reasoning with a grain of salt but I won't lie it factors in a little.

nsg fits my idea of perfect scum. Appear town, use townie logic to build cases against those who make weak arguments, stay active but not too active, ask provocative questions that make people feel more confident of themselves. Basically he played me well and I don't even feel like I was played. I was totally behind the UCV lynch, the fact that he flipped town is just an unfortunate result.

That being said I'd love to be wrong, because it would mean I was right. I've wanted to lynch wisdom forever him and rat were my first scumreads. That just doesn't matter anymore because we need to analyze the facts in front of us.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:22 am

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SHE SHE SHE .. damn it .. I really need to stop doing that .. I'm sorry nsg. :oops:

In post 16, Alisaes French Maid wrote:VOTE: garaputo

4 wagons consisting of 2 votes.
Now we have art
So while looking at ISO's I read AFM's opener. I know hindsight 20/20 and all that but seriously this should have been obvious.


Anyway: These are all the interactions between AFM/nsg (sorry if I missed something):
In post 82, Alisaes French Maid wrote:NSG who are you town reading and why?
In post 100, Alisaes French Maid wrote:VOTE: nsg

I expect nsg to be doing more.
In post 179, northsidegal wrote:i've kind of been assuming that this was a nightless game where scum were completely vanilla and thus had no power to nightkill, but the fact that there are obvious power roles already probably means that this isn't true. i think it's probably not worth it forcing everyone to massclaim right now. here's where i'm at on reads:


beeboy / alisae's french maid — a bit of a lack of posting recently. when i started typing this i was going to put him at a townlean for being quick to call rat town in and , but that's a pretty weak reason. overall, null.
^This last one here is interesting because nsg changes her mind about the massclaim. Uses a pretty obvious conclusion that everyone should have figured out at that stage to justify changing her mind.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:27 am

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Also it's taken me 2 games and countless pages to properly read your name, nsg lol. I kept reading it as one word.

I'm an idiot Khan maybe you shouldn't listen to me.
But regardless, tell me what you think. Do you still want to vote wisdom, and if so, why?
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:32 am

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hmm so NM has confirmed that scum have fakeclaims in the game notes. I don't know if that necessary means that nsg wouldn't change her mind about the massclaims if she were scum, but maybe my last point is not as strong as I thought. Or maybe it's stronger. What do you guys think? Does that make a difference?
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:10 am

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In post 594, BuJaber wrote: What do you guys think? Does that make a difference?
I think it does not matter.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:25 am

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And now for a random monty python quote:

Supreme executive power is derived through a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony!

Also, let's lynch bu.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:33 am

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we either need north to vote bu or you to vote north
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:01 am

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In post 591, BuJaber wrote:Wisdom has become more interested in the game but not more interested in staying alive.
However that did not translate into being more analytical or arguing more or trying to accuse/defend people.

Yes he could be scum and faking. Yes he could be scum and not faking. But if he is scum I would expect more attempts at manipulating town. Also I don't think the weird interaction with UCV's hammer reaction test is a scum one.

Plus I still haven't changed my mind about what I originally said in day 1 that one scum would probably be among those against massclaim and one for massclaim. AFM was against, so I'm hesitant to think either wisdom/gara is the 2nd scum. I'm obviously treating this part of my reasoning with a grain of salt but I won't lie it factors in a little.

nsg fits my idea of perfect scum. Appear town, use townie logic to build cases against those who make weak arguments, stay active but not too active, ask provocative questions that make people feel more confident of themselves. Basically he played me well and I don't even feel like I was played. I was totally behind the UCV lynch, the fact that he flipped town is just an unfortunate result.

That being said I'd love to be wrong, because it would mean I was right. I've wanted to lynch wisdom forever him and rat were my first scumreads. That just doesn't matter anymore because we need to analyze the facts in front of us.
Excellent. This is an analysis from a town's perspective. It's naive and wrong in places, but the mentality matches your experience perfectly.

Wisdom is still strongly manipulating the town. He is capable of a lot more activity, but instead he's peppering the game with "Zzz" and "let's keep lynching, it's auto-win" and putting up lynch preferences. If he stops and debates me, then he draws attention to himself. So he's not. Being overly concerned with staying alive looks scummy so he's not doing that.
In post 594, BuJaber wrote:hmm so NM has confirmed that scum have fakeclaims in the game notes. I don't know if that necessary means that nsg wouldn't change her mind about the massclaims if she were scum, but maybe my last point is not as strong as I thought. Or maybe it's stronger. What do you guys think? Does that make a difference?
This again?

I've already addressed this. Scum do not have fakeclaims. They have unused characters they can use for fakeclaims. For example: They know that nobody has _CHARACTER X_, so they can safely claim _CHARACTER X_ in their fakeclaim. That's all that means. It's a measure to stop the town from breaking the game via a flavorclaim.
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 596, garaputo wrote:Also, let's lynch bu.
No, he's town and you've driven the last two mislynches.

We are lynching Wisdom today.

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