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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:43 pm

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that's not a hammer but you're doing great at the too scummy to be scum strat
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:45 pm

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Vote Count 1.4.2
Insert Arbitrary Flavor Here


With 5 Alive, it is 3 to Lynch!


Assembaa [L-4]: Something_Smart, Mathdino, eth0s
eth0s [L-4]: No One
Something_Smart [L-4]: No One
Mathdino [L-4]: No One
JaydrgonKing [L-4]: No One


Jingle [L+12]: Dunkerdoodles, Jingle, JaydrgonKing, Assembaa


Deadline is currently nonexistent.

Important Notes:
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Day 4 Ends! I swear to god, days used to be longer when I was growing up.


A LYNCH! There it is!
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:45 pm

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A moment of silence please, for our fallen brethren. Assembaa never even made it out of middle school.

Also, they were

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A VT!
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:45 pm

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Vote Count 1.5.1
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With 4 Alive, it is 3 to Lynch!


eth0s [L-3]: No One
Something_Smart [L-0]: eth0s, Mathdino, JaydrgonKing
Mathdino [L-3]: No One
JaydrgonKing [L-3]: No One


Jingle [L+12]: Dunkerdoodles, Jingle, Something_Smart,


Deadline is currently nonexistent.

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Day 5 Begins! I bet this whole thing is over before I get up in the morning.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:45 pm

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5 left with heartless and ari gone. That's hammer
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:46 pm

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also: Scumreading mathdino if it's not game over. Distanced himself from Not_Maf from the jump and didn't vote to lynch until he was at L-2. Also, why would you say that he is bad and needs to die, but not until after the jester is gone? Were you wanting us to lynch 3 townies before the jester died? (see post ). I'm assuming you didn't want to be lynched. And you didn't want the now confscum to be lynched until the end... curious.
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:48 pm

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Just FYI my above 2 posts were made when Jingle had 3 reserved posts above my 2
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:49 pm

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wait holy shit that's actually a hammer

okay i'm not flashwagoning this time, mod said game's not over

@Jay:
Which is it between SS and ethos and why? Do you care?

Edit: I'm trying to understand/parse your case on me and I'll get back to you once I can grok it
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:52 pm

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In post 407, Mathdino wrote:wait holy shit that's actually a hammer

okay i'm not flashwagoning this time, mod said game's not over

@Jay:
Which is it between SS and ethos and why? Do you care?

Edit: I'm trying to understand/parse your case on me and I'll get back to you once I can grok it
You're trying too hard to not seem scummy...
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:53 pm

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I'm on, but working on other things, btw. If someone would poke me in site chat the next time you murder someone while I look away, I'd appreciate it, cause I'm closing this tab.
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:55 pm

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Spectrum starting with town:
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:55 pm

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Let's start being smart
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:56 pm

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In post 405, eth0s wrote:also: Scumreading mathdino if it's not game over. Distanced himself from Not_Maf from the jump and didn't vote to lynch until he was at L-2. Also, why would you say that he is bad and needs to die, but not until after the jester is gone? Were you wanting us to lynch 3 townies before the jester died? (see post ). I'm assuming you didn't want to be lynched. And you didn't want the now confscum to be lynched until the end... curious.
1. There are now 2 completed games in which I've advocated for policy lynching Not_Mafia. It's objectively the right thing to do.

2. I realised by then that there were multiple people who were more jester-like and N_M is more likely to start wildly claiming jester as town. I didn't actually think he was scum, lol. The flip was a nice perk.
Also figured that there's no way N_M isn't getting himself lynched before D4 if he keeps acting like this, and more than a few people were confident he wasn't jester.

3. At first I figured, okay, regardless of N_M's behaviour, there's a 1/9 chance it's an insta-loss if I policy lynch him out the gate. So obviously not doing that.
Then as things went on that chance lowered in my mind and the utility of removing his vote outweighed the (probably like 1/20) chance that he was jester.

4. Eh. I would've been okay being lynched D2 and D3 because I knew I wasn't jester (pro-town move). I wouldn't have been okay with being lynched before N_M, however, because the last time I died trying to policy lynch him, the town completely gave up on the policy lynch.

5. You're assuming I ever thought he was scum. I thought he was a ninth of a jester at first, then lynchworthy town.

Edit: I don't think you understand why I'm asking that question, and I'm not explaining it to you until Jay gets back.
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:58 pm

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EBWOP: ACTUALLY. BOTH times I tried to policy lynch Not_Mafia, I died and town lost due to Not_Mafia in both games. Once due to a flashvote and once because he happened to have a scum role PM.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:58 pm

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In post 412, Mathdino wrote:Edit: I don't think you understand why I'm asking that question, and I'm not explaining it to you until Jay gets back.
Huh?..
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:59 pm

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In post 412, Mathdino wrote: 5. You're assuming I ever
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he was scum. I thought he was a ninth of a jester at first, then lynchworthy town.
FTFY
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:01 pm

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When you said I'm trying too hard, I assume it's because of the question I asked, which I'm not explaining.

And I fail to see how the fix makes your case any better.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:12 pm

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I'm looking through the game trying to figure out ethos's trajectory and I'm really not seeing it.

So he just hammers Assembaa when I can't find a trace of him actually scumreading them in the ISO.

The only connection between Assembaa and ethos is that Assembaa got in a slapfight with ethos over jesterhood and whether he should be lynched.

Now he comes into D5 with a brand new scumread on me, again with no trajectory in sight.

Interpretation: Assembaa and I were/are his main obstacles in getting to LyLo because he knows that the most likely scenario is one of us speedlynching him with Jay in endgame. is indicative that he's forced to break up the minitownbloc {Jay, Math, lowkey SS} somehow to win.

VOTE: ethos
Fuck not flashvoting, pretty sure this wins.
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:24 pm

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In post 416, Mathdino wrote:When you said I'm trying too hard, I assume it's because of the question I asked, which I'm not explaining.
nope.
In post 407, Mathdino wrote: okay i'm not flashwagoning this time, mod said game's not over
@Jay:
Which is it between SS and ethos and why? Do you care?
That's the trying too hard part. All else removed
In post 417, Mathdino wrote: So he just hammers Assembaa when I can't find a trace of him actually scumreading them in the ISO.
Process of elimination. We needed to knock some lynches out so I hammered a couple possibilities. now that it's down to the wire I see 75% likelihood of you being scum.
In post 417, Mathdino wrote: Fuck not flashvoting, pretty sure this wins.
Nope. I hope you're not town. I truly apologize if you are, but I really don't think you are. Why are you so ready to lynch me without some commentary from the others?
I would counter-vote you because OMGUS and you're being scummy, but then I would just be stooping to your level.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:25 pm

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@Something_Smart
: do you view my past couple hammers as scummy? Why or why not?
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:26 pm

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Also, I could point out more scummy motivation in dino's play but I am working on homework right now. Will provide more examples soon as possible.
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:29 pm

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@dino one last thing:
Why have you townread me basically all game up until I scumread you?
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:36 pm

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1. Was hoping to also set an example to Jay to not flashwagon as well. But it's pretty clear today is gonna be about this 1v1. And if SS is scum in the end, town!you and I need to resolve this before LyLo.

2. I'm not asking you why you hammered Assembaa. The fact that there was no indication that you even would is the bad thing. At this point you can say whatever reason you want.

3. Because SS isn't gonna convince me to lynch Jay, and Jay isn't gonna convince me to vote SS without damning reasons. Go ahead and countervote, don't condescend.

If you're not planning to though, and supposing you get me lynched, I need good reasons to not direct town to just lynch you tomorrow (which is currently my plan). So suppose you do lynch me. Why is it Jay and/or SS?

Edit: That's actually a good question.

I never considered you as a lynch option because your lowkey jester claim made it highly likely you were pretending to be jester, making you an unsafe lynch. My plan was always to lynch people I didn't think were jester (ideally those who more likely to be scum) first, then after jester dies, go through the jester claims. Earlier, my assumption was that one mafia would claim jester and one wouldn't.
On reevaluation tho, given that N_M's last scumgame involved basically 0 communication with his buddy IIRC, I'm guessing you guys both went in to claim jester and didn't really think it through the way I'd expect a scumteam to do. But that fits both your playstyles.

The reason I'm now explicitly scumreading you though (and over SS) is because it makes too much sense for you to remove Assembaa and me in order to even have a shot in LyLo. You can't shoot me, so you have to lynch me somehow. And tbh, your case gutreads to me like you don't actually believe I'm scum.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:40 pm

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EBWOP: your lowkey jester claim made it highly likely you were
pretending to be
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fucked up lol
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:08 pm

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Finished earlier than I expected. Firstly dino I want you to know that you've made some really compelling posts this game and no matter how it ends or how you flip, thank you for giving me some food for thought. Hope we match into another game sometime. Second, I am going to VOTE: eth0s. This is not a gambit. I really want to die. However, I really do not want a townie to hammer me (unless of course the remaining 2 are both town...)

Sure, we can go through pages upon pages of this 1v1, but at the end of the day, anyone can spin anything to sound town-motivated. I think that voting patterns are our best friend from here on out. I think that even with a self-vote, there is a good 75% chance there's scum voting for me. After my flip there would be a very good chance that one of the two people voting me, that isn't me, would be scum. So I ask that the remaining two people think about who their biggest scumreads are. If dino is your top scumread, and you are town, hammer me. Then get him. If dino is your top townread, don't hammer me. Then whoever votes me up should be your top scumread.

We got no night-kills to go off of, and I am probably overlooking a certain aspect of the game here, but I feel pretty good about this choice. I'm probably the least-experienced player here, so I'm taking one for the team. Now if I get hammered by two townies, we are screwed. But if not, this should give you a 50/50 chance + whatever reads/bias you might have to aid you.

I'm expecting no one to be upset at my self-vote, but if you are, tell me. I can unvote if you think there is a better way. As of right now, I think the safest way is my death. If I should die before I wake: good luck, brethren.
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