Micro 776: Jackpot (Over)

[sheepsaysmeep]

@sheep

Assuming that you are indeed Town, can you give us your readslist?

harambey town
bamb leantown
ucv null
mumble scum

[sheepsaysmeep]

Imagine that you were one of the two scum in this game (just imagine). Who of the other four players in this game, do you think would most likely be your scumpartner at this moment?

mathdino

im not familiar with any of your wolf play so tbh i wouldnt care

[Harambey180]

Imagine that you were one of the two scum in this game (just imagine). Who of the other four players in this game, do you think would most likely be your scumpartner at this moment?

mathdino

im not familiar with any of your wolf play so tbh i wouldnt care

Well let me word it differently then:
Based on how the others have been posting so far, who would most likely have been scum together with you, if you were scum yourself? Like, who do you think would be your most logical scumpartner?

[sheepsaysmeep]

oh most likely

you

[Bambietta Basterbine]

Well, let me point something out since I'm accused of waiting for questions toward me.

We have two choices here. Lynch one of the mafia, preferably the Godfather, and win easy peasy. OR, we could say who we absolutely trust as town be hung so they can venge kill mafia. And with that information, we get the their partner rather easily.

What's the problem with trying to lynch a mafia?
I mean, on the way to the lynch, we're going to have some good assumptions about possible scum in the end.
We should always try to lynch the scum. In case we actually lynch a Vengeful Townie, well then that person should be able to make a good decision if we put enough work into trying to catch the scum.

Because i know finding the mafia should be the part town should focus on, but the Vengeful kill is also the option we have to keep in mind. If we do hang someone who we read as SCUM but is a vengeful, they'll kill the leader of the wagon on them probably, which could be either a mafia leading the Lynch or a misguided townie. So hanging a Vengeful by accident has a huge chance of backfiring.

But if we hang someone who is READ as townie, that works out for us either way. If they are the ones the town mainly read as townie, they can kill the mafia after thinking really hard about it. And if they're scum who got away with being town read? Well that solves itself too.

[sheepsaysmeep]

they'll kill the leader of the wagon on them probably

hoping not all of us are stupid

[Harambey180]

Well, let me point something out since I'm accused of waiting for questions toward me.

We have two choices here. Lynch one of the mafia, preferably the Godfather, and win easy peasy. OR, we could say who we absolutely trust as town be hung so they can venge kill mafia. And with that information, we get the their partner rather easily.

What's the problem with trying to lynch a mafia?
I mean, on the way to the lynch, we're going to have some good assumptions about possible scum in the end.
We should always try to lynch the scum. In case we actually lynch a Vengeful Townie, well then that person should be able to make a good decision if we put enough work into trying to catch the scum.

Because i know finding the mafia should be the part town should focus on, but the Vengeful kill is also the option we have to keep in mind. If we do hang someone who we read as SCUM but is a vengeful, they'll kill the leader of the wagon on them probably, which could be either a mafia leading the Lynch or a misguided townie. So hanging a Vengeful by accident has a huge chance of backfiring.

But if we hang someone who is READ as townie, that works out for us either way. If they are the ones the town mainly read as townie, they can kill the mafia after thinking really hard about it. And if they're scum who got away with being town read? Well that solves itself too.

Sorry but I'm just not going to follow your idea. This is a ridiculous idea.
Yes we should figure out who the mafia are. If we have an idea of who the scummies are why on earth would we NOT lynch them?
The whole 'in case they aren't scum' thing... do you really think that a Vengeful Townie will get so furious of being lynched to do just like you described? As sheep said, people know better than this. They don't get time to think who they're going to vengekill for nothing, it's so they can take a look at what happened and make a good assumption of who to vengekill. An expertised Vengeful Townie in my eyes would almost never just shoot the leader of his wagon for purely that reason, and I hope we are all expertised players here

[Harambey180]

It's good that you bring it up though that we could be wrong, but you should be confident about your scum reads. Lynching someone we think is Townie is just a bad idea imo, please summarize all the good things about this idea. Oh, and the bad things too, list them too.

[sheepsaysmeep]

lynching town d1 is only helpful in like jungle of bullshit imo

[Harambey180]

Like, how does it even make a difference when we lynch a Vengeful Townie, if we assumed he was scum or Town? I really, really do not understand how you think that the one being Town-read has a higher chance of succesfully vengekilling mafia, than a scum-readed one. Especially as you say 'after thinking really hard about it'. OMGUS, a scum-readed lynched VT would hopefully also think really hard about it right?

P-edit: If that's a setup, I never played nor watched it b4, I guess it's an exception to this rule of 'never lynch Town'?

[sheepsaysmeep]

it's a 5p sort of like this except if town is lynched they dont actually die they just shoot two people and become conftown the next day
and some other mechanics

[Harambey180]

Honestly, I can imagine it being a scumslip from Bambi.
Like, first she says that a Scum-readed VT who gets lynched, would NOT think before submitting his vengekill action and just shoot the person that leaded the wagon.
However, apparently a Town-readed VT that gets lynched, would INDEED think about who to vengekill, and thus he would have a better chance of shooting the mafia.

P-edit: So like an even more chaotic version of this? Oh my...

[Harambey180]

I have a serious intent to vote you at this point for causing chaos and trying to convince others to follow your ridiculous 'masterplans'. It is that I don't know what UCV would do if I voted you - would he hammer? I don't know - but do know that I have the intent.

[Harambey180]

Also, I thought it's a good idea to ask each of you a question:

@Bambi

Can you tell us what your read on UCV is, and why?

[sheepsaysmeep]

dont vote bamb
wagon mumble

[sheepsaysmeep]

dude look at ucv's iso
no one should have a read on him

[Harambey180]

dude look at ucv's iso
no one should have a read on him

Yeah, look at his ISO.
Look at aaaaaaall those posts that show up there.
I sure hope that you can make some sort of read on that, or at least have an opinion on that.

[Harambey180]

dude look at ucv's iso
no one should have a read on him

Yeah, look at his ISO.
Look at aaaaaaall those posts that show up there.
I sure hope that you can make some sort of read on that, or at least have an opinion on that.

Oh maybe I should have worded it otherwise:

@Bambi

What do you think about UCV only having made one post?

[Harambey180]

Like, UCV has posted so little, even RC our savior and super moderator has made more posts

[Harambey180]

dont vote bamb
wagon mumble

Because???

[Harambey180]

Won't do what you say I should do if that's all you say.

[Harambey180]

I think I'm going to do a quick ISO on Mumble and UCV now, I've been focusing a tad too much on Bambi and sheep.
But then again that's because they posted more...

[Harambey180]

Well never mind, ISOing UCV is just pointless. I hope I don't need to explain why.

[Harambey180]

dont vote bamb
wagon mumble

Because???

I hope it's not still the 'overaggressive entrance' and 'PoE' anymore.
At least explain why voting Mumble is PoE. I can recall on that I asked you this b4, but not that you answered it. Unless I missed it, in that case please refer to that post, I'm working on Mumble now.

[Harambey180]

ISO on Mumble. If I won't forget I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

VOTE: Bambietta Basterbine

Scum.

That's not gonna change my opinion on Bambi.

Bambietta's posts have a clumsy appealing, sry Bambietta. Bit of a scumlean on you.

Probably the partner.

Again, that's not gonna impress me. Explain us why you think that I would be Bambi's scumpartner, in case Bambi is indeed scum.

I'm suspecting that scum team wouldn't be the two to open up this game, so Bambi+sheep seems already out of the question.

That's a weird thing to think. Explain?[/quote]

@Mumble Does this make sense to you or do you think it's differing from this?

It makes sense, but I disagree. While their 1v1 ended up making one of them suspicious, I don't think that it necessarily had to have. Nor, do I think that it's a good reason to eliminate the possibility that both are scum (or town).

Again your reasoning looks so weak. Yes, we shouldn't eliminate those possibilities. I'd like to hear why you'd think 'it necessarily had to have'.
I don't even get what you mean by that in the first way. That just shows that it's weak too.

But then again I was just talking about lurking. Lurking usually is either scum or a PR but as there are no 'Power Roles' here I assumed that lurking is more likely to be scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I think lurking/activity is NAI. Active lurking is usually scum, but can also be a PR.

That's who would win a match of rock-paper-scissors against each other?

What's your reason to post this. It's game irrelevant and it should be so obvious what I meant with that post. It disturbs me a bit tbh.

This is active lurking.

This is too.
That's a rude way to say it I guess, but I do think it looks like it.

tl;dr: What I'm most concerned about for Mumble, is that his reasoning is weak or not there. Just says what he thinks but not why. He should try to convince us why he is right and why we should follow him, he's not doing that. A short argumentation has more scum motive in my eyes; there's less room for scumslips or other errors.
Mumble, if you want to convince me you are Town, I'd ask you to elaborate more on what you say. I kind of miss that now.