Micro 812 - The Arena II - Game Over

[Irrelephant11]

K goo to know, I'll try to get any questions I have in an hour+ before deadline

[Irrelephant11]

Happy scumday ZZZX.

Dunn's logic is solid (I similarly did not challenge ZZZX despite him being the obvious pick from my POV).

Still would like to hear from ZZZX before deciding how to proceed.

Why was ZZZX the obvious pick from your pov? This sounds like you're talking about scum gladiation, because you never mentioned ZZZX before this point

[Something_Smart]

ZZZX and I were the only ones who didn't vote Not_Mafia on day 2, and in my mind it seemed likely that one of us would be the gladiator's target the next day.

[Something_Smart]

And as an extension of that, I figured that scum-ZZZX would not want me and him to be gladiated immediately, because he would either lose or remain as the only player who didn't vote Not_Mafia. That's why I thought that scum-ZZZX would not make me the gladiator.

[Irrelephant11]

I'm drowning in wifom over here

[Irrelephant11]

Not that it's anyone's fault there just isn't an obvious choice like I thought there was overnight

[Irrelephant11]

Literally in the past fifteen minutes I've seriously considered voting each of you multiple times

Not sure what's left to do here to help myself sort

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[BNL]

VC 7.6 (FINAL)

Dunnstral (0) -
Something_Smart (1) - Irrelephant11 (

LYNCH

)
Not Voting (0) -

Mod notes:
Game over! Who won?

[BNL]

Something_Smart

has been lynched

Irrelephant11

has been endgamed

Dunnstral

survives and wins! Not_Mafia wins posthumously!

[Something_Smart]

[Irrelephant11]

forget me

I literally typed out VOTE: dunnstral, then deleted it and wrote SS. I learned some things, though. Sigh.

[Irrelephant11]

rip ss

[Irrelephant11]

Dunnstral deserved the win

At least 1/3 the townies lurked their way out of the game, so that made it v hard and we might have won if it wasn't the case

[Dunnstral]

I shouldn't have gladiated myself at the end

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah that was ~1/3 of why I almost voted you. The more I thought about it the more it seemed like scum wanting the safety of control. But it also made sense from SS's pov, so it worked out for you

The biggest tip off was you voting Flubber.

but ugh SS's arguments just seemed to contradict in scummy ways. Like he argued that you lost your towniness for choosing him as the gladiator, but he also said that if he were scum he'd have no clue who town-you would pick, since you're so unpredictable. It looked like scum fishing for a reason to say you were scummy while not actually believing it himself

But I also should have known from other games I've played that self-contradiction is almost always town
ughhhh I'm so sad I typed out dunnstral first and then lost
Should have listened to my gut instead of out-thinking it

[BNL]

Mod PT:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76612
Dead/Spectator PT:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76615
Mafia PT:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76613

Mafia have 48 hours to request redactions before I release the PT

[BNL]

I need to sleep now, but I will follow up with my thoughts on this game and other stuff.

[Irrelephant11]

I think the results of this game will not help with Irrelephant's paranoia...

Actually though dunnstral got me this time I think I would be a lot more clearheaded if I were in a similar situation next time

Oh come on...

Town are cross nominating but scum are self selecting...

[Something_Smart]

But I also should have known from other games I've played that self-contradiction is almost always town

Yeah this a valuable lesson. If I were scum I'd have known exactly what I would think as scum

Though... you're not wrong about me having to come up with reasons to scumread Dunn, because some of his decisions did not make a lot of sense even when I knew he was scum.

[Myloninja13]

AHHH, GG guys that was close. I kinda figured Dunn was scum at the end, but I was already dead lol

[BNL]

So what I want to say is that the first time I ran this setup, the players seemed to enjoy it, which prompted me to give it a second run. Unfortunately, the setup seems to be a failure with the new playerbase.

If anyone enjoyed this setup, please let me know. Otherwise, I will not be running this setup again.

[BNL]

I shouldn't have gladiated myself at the end

Yeah, I was confused as to why you made that decision to 1v1 SS when you could've taken the free win by gladiating Irrelephant, who gave obvious signs of challenging SS. And I'm not understanding the WIFOM arguments you were making; for example scum won't hold back hammering in 3p Lylo.

[BNL]

AHHH, GG guys that was close. I kinda figured Dunn was scum at the end, but I was already dead lol

Good job, but how did you figure it out?

[Dunnstral]

I shouldn't have gladiated myself at the end

Yeah, I was confused as to why you made that decision to 1v1 SS when you could've taken the free win by gladiating Irrelephant, who gave obvious signs of challenging SS. And I'm not understanding the WIFOM arguments you were making; for example scum won't hold back hammering in 3p Lylo.

I didn't want Irrelephant to think that ss wouldn't challenge him so he could challenge me, especially since I didn't know how he'd react to me hammering

Also, I enjoyed the setup and would play in it again