micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[stungun0404]

from gemini to profii,

what evidence do you have for conftowning nico?

[stungun0404]

specifically what reasons that you can present to us all

[stungun0404]

i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else

[schadd_]

Spoiler: omg iconic!!!

Vote count 3.6

profii (3):

MariaR, Kokichi Oma, stungun0404

stungun0404 (2):

profii, NicoRobin

not voting (1):

northsidegal

with 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 3 ends september 15th at 17:15 central US time; in (expired on 2018-09-15 18:15:00)

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[profii]

i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else

You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point

[stungun0404]

i think there were 2 scum on aronis’s lynchwagon because he was not exactly that scummy to me.

aronis voters: nico, koki, shoshin (she wanted just a claim though), profii, stungun

obviously koki-stun there would be a theoretical possibility if you posit i am scum. but what i see is nico-profii, blatantly hanging there, especially since i at least townfended aronis hard before i had to hammer in basically what was a last minute panic, there was an hour and a half left in the day phase

both profii and nico pushed aronis as though he was scummy. so did koki tbf, but his push felt more genuine. nico responded to aronis simply labelling her as scummy because of her active lurking and she got super defensive in response, going as far as to vote him.

profii was saving himself with any lynchwagon that might transpire.

where is that scumminess in how either koki or myself hopped onto that wagon? nonexistent. therefore, if you take a keen eye to the d1 wagon of aronis, you will notice which pair seems scummier.

maria did not join aronis wagon, neither did creature, who both stayed on profii even as i moved over. nsg, who is conftown now, also did not vote aronis. so what does that tell me? there was very likely 2 scum on that wagon provided he was not... that scummy imo.

creature was scummier than aronis by a longshot fmpov, playing to several things he had done in his scum meta before.

i think there was likely not two scum on the wagon, due to him even claiming scum, but it is not infeasible.

on his wagon: profii (who creature supposedly townread like he townread myself), stungun, koki, maria, creature

unfortunately not a lot can be derived from the composition of that wagon, and i don’t remember many of the reasons, but maria’s probably holds up the best outside of mine i guess as theoretically she could have been town that took creature’s scumclaim for real.

and nico left her damned vote on nsg the entire day phase! why? to what town motive? even after creature said he was not JK? lurkiness does not let you get away with this when the day phase dragged out as long as it did. you did not even unvote. same with my wagon as it piled up d1, you lingered for 8 days over trivial reasons until you settled on aronis who had mislynch potential with scum pushing such a wagon.

[stungun0404]

i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else

You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point

not a stupid stipulation, because it requires you to show evidence you guys are not partners, as in there must be other reasons to support nico!town so we can see it too

because if you cannot communicate it outwards with us uninformed on your alignment except from through our intuition, you will never win the battle of nico!=town.

also, let’s say if you are town: from your point of view, what eliminates nico from being scum that’s pocketed you from the get-go if she sensed you might be a popular mislynch option later among town voters, who is partners with... say maria for simplicity, and knows she cannot go back on you or else nsg would figure out the scum team is maria and nico and instead nsg has to make that hammer?

when with this strategy, koki and maria both could be seen as scum team from the point of view of nsg if she is off the mark.

[stungun0404]

i must add,

please do it without any references to your claimed alignment because it has been called into question way more by proven townplayers than just about anyone else

You 3 vote NSG and see if Nico hammers... (or me for that matter)

That’s a stupid stipulation at this point

if anything, deflection to questions that require you to seriously prove someone’s alignment is not going to help town wincon right now, and is therefore antitown —> thanks to gemini for helping me think of this!

[profii]

I’ve already said why I think nico is town

For someone who presents as very in depth and thorough you miss quite a bit when it suits yiu

[profii]

And that is more the point that makes you scummy - which is where I will concentrate my effort, rather than try and convince 2 scum players not to vote a townie - that’s obviously a waste of time

[stungun0404]

what. you want me to search every post you have made? i have done enough deep diving. it only benefits nsg and company if you provide it right here, right now

this lack of urgency to prove someone’s alignment again because i don’t want to loom through my own posts (which you have done so many times in this game to me) is antitown, because you make town waste unreasonable time on it by doing so.

[stungun0404]

”i don’t want to look thru my own posts”

relating from your perspective there

[stungun0404]

And that is more the point that makes you scummy - which is where I will concentrate my effort, rather than try and convince 2 scum players not to vote a townie - that’s obviously a waste of time

lol,

you are trying to convince nsg right now. that should motivate you if you were town.

[stungun0404]

I’ve already said why I think nico is town

For someone who presents as very in depth and thorough

you miss quite a bit when it suits yiu

you do this every time you push me, i can only remember so much anyway.

i don’t get if you are town why you continue to uphold your vote on me and push against me with things that match what you have done in your own gameplay, using that as the basis of your own push. how does town ever do that?

[profii]

So if we are both doing the same things why am I scum or why are you scum

Why aren’t we TvT then?

[profii]

The point of these questions is Koki asks me where I am at with what possible scum pairs there are - I’ll happily gave you my current assessment

When I throw you a curve ball such as the above you spin it to make me scum and don’t consider anything else


That’s how we differ

[stungun0404]

i mean, if you are town this game, that’s like town literally tripping over their own feet with logic that they are using to support their feet so that they don’t trip. on what planet does using logic like that make sense? not on this one, surely

[stungun0404]

what separates us is i have not used my vote for elements of the game which i have done myself. sure, i might mistakenly attribute things as scummy at times, but i am not going to vote and continually uphold my vote with logic that is the same as what i am doing with my gameplay. actions matter more than words, and scummy actions are irreversible

[stungun0404]

i want to change the wagon tide back to nico just because i think it would be simpler for nsg to agree to a lynch there. i’m afraid if we go for profii, nsg votes me, and i of course hammer myself following through with what i said. whereas if we go for nico, nsg hammers that quicker than she hammers profii because she found nico scummy anyway. i just do not know with this mechanical defense of profii if she will choose my lynchwagon over profii’s

[MariaR]

We'll see when she shows up

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm pretty sure NSG won't vote you.

[northsidegal]

VOTE: nicorobin

[northsidegal]

Is there a reason every time we are in the same together you underperform?

-shrug-

see my signature.

also, i started college recently. maybe mulch really did have the right idea.

[Kokichi Oma]

We are all voting Prof now. Unless you're just more confortable with a Nico lynch?

[stungun0404]

VOTE: Nicorobin