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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:56 am
by Pink Ball
But yeah that's all I have to say about this so bye bye

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:49 pm
by Clemency
VOTE: Pink Ball
boop

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:23 am
by Slaxx

Pink Ball
: TTTT, Succinct, Clemency
Clemency
: Pink Ball
Not Voting
:Purrcocet



Pink Ball, Snoop Dogg,
Mafia Gunsmith
has been lynched.

I’ll put the role PM up later so everyone can see it but I’m on mobile. Figured you at least want the flip.

Night 3 will end on Wednesday, February 6th, at 10PM EST.

Sorry for the longer night but that’s when I’ll be available.
Slaxx wrote: Yo. This is a game, and you're in it.

You are
Snoop Dogg/Lion
, a
Mafia Gunsmith
. Your partner is <Nice Try>. You may talk anytime about the game with them here: <Nice Try>

Performance Song:
Gin and Juice

Encore Song(s):
No Guns Allowed

Abilities:
Security Check:
You may PM me the name of one person each night. If you are successful, you will learn whether they possess a gun. Any role capable of killing and any cop variants will come back positive. Any other roles will come back as negative. A blocked result will come back as "No Result".

Factional Kill:
You and your partner can decide on one person to kill, and which of you will make that kill. This cannot be used in conjunction with your other ability.

You win after you outnumber town or nothing can stop this from happening.

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:06 pm
by Slaxx
Succinct died during the night! They were a:


Spoiler: Flip
Doughboy Role PM wrote: Yo. This is a game, and you're in it.

You are
Notorious B.I.G.
, a
Town 2-Shot Neighborizer
.

Performance Song:
Everyday Struggle

Encore Song(s):
Story To Tell

Abilities:
Tell Story:
On any two nights, you may PM me the name of one person. If your action is successful, you will be able to talk with them in a private topic.

You win after all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned person remains alive.
Thread Here: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=78393

Confirm by replying with your role.[/quote]


With 3 alive, it is two to lynch.


Not Voting: TTTT, Purrcocet, Clemency

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:55 am
by Clemency
i feel like everyone's just waiting for someone else to say something

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 am
by TTTT
I'm waiting on Slaxx to reply to my PM
if it's legit to copy and paste Succint's posts from the neighbor PT

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:38 am
by TTTT
his conclusion: Clem is 80% scum here

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:39 am
by TTTT
and doughboy was douchey
so I really want Succint's theory to be right

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:40 am
by Purrcocet
ready when u are

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:41 am
by TTTT
nah I'm not rushing this

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:06 pm
by TTTT
Succint's theory on scum!Clem


Spoiler: Overview
We know I was roleblocked.
Pink Ball did not flip a role which had a roleblock action.
We know Purrcocet has a double-vote role.

For Purrcocet to be scum, it requires Purrcocet to be a JOAT with a 1x Double Vote, 1x Roleblock. It then further requires the scum to have no knowledge of two players and leave both of those players alone. If Purrcocet is scum, then Purrcocet had no knowledge of you being a VT and Clemency being a VT. With no knowledge of either VT being VT, why wouldn't they block one of the two VTs? Why would they block the neighborizer?

Clemency being scum's simpler; if he's a JOAT with a 1x rolecop, 1x roleblock, then what he did was obvious: rolecopped you N1, roleblocked me N2. He wouldn't bother to block the double voter, because that was a role which they knew was harmless and may have thought couldn't be blocked. He wouldn't bother to block you because he knew you were a VT.

The known night actions suggest that for Purrcocet to be scum, scum played incredibly recklessly; the known night actions suggest that for Clemency to be scum, scum played smart.
The known roleclaims suggest Purrcocet's role is a double voter; the known roleclaims point out an absence of a roleblocker; the known roleclaims thus suggest the origin of the roleblock is a VT claim.

There's also both the setup and play suggesting Clemency's scum; I'll cover both.


Spoiler: SETUP REASONS
For the setup, knowing I was roleblocked, there are two possible setups:
Ascetic 1x Vig
2x Neighborizer
Flavor Cop
JOAT (Doctor, Friendly Neighbor)
Double Voter
VT x 2

vs.
Gunsmith
JOAT (Rolecop, Roleblock)

OR:

Ascetic 1x Vig
2x Neighborizer
Flavor Cop
JOAT (Doctor, Friendly Neighbor)
VT x 3

vs.
Gunsmith
JOAT (Double Voter, Roleblock)

The latter setup leaves the town too weak. Scum having a double voter is potentially gamebreaking. Town lacks any ability to generate clears, town lacks any real way to stop kills, town lacks in ability to kill. Furthermore, what's the point of the ascetic modifier on the vig? To stop the gunsmith?

The former setup is considerably stronger for the town. Scum's rolecop now makes the ascetic vig make sense. While town still lacks the killstop power, the double voter serves as a mechanism to generate clears and serve to help create town-generated lynches.


Spoiler: PLAY REASONS
For play, check out Pink Ball's iso on Clemency.

231, Clemency as conftown. 239, townread on Clemency. Then an absence of Clemency from Pink Ball's iso all of D2, and even for the first half of D3.

Pink Ball entered D3 calling the scumteam TTTT-Succinct.
Pink Ball appealed to Purrcocet in a way strongly indicating lack of scumbuddies.
Pink Ball then changed to the narrative of Purrcocet-Succinct as the scumteam, after Purrcocet had voted for Pink Ball.
He then casted his third and final vote, one which he never removed. This vote, in spite of how the one name to never change was Succinct.

TTTT-Succinct, he didn't vote me; Purrcocet-Succinct, he didn't vote me; Clemency-Succinct, he didn't vote me. Why didn't he vote me? Because he was distancing with his scumbuddy.
If you had voted me, he'd have quickhammered me; if you stuck to voting him, then his vote on Clemency would work as distancing to make you inclined to think Clemency isn't his scumbuddy.

In spite of Clemency being voted by Pink Ball and almost every possible scumteam having an opportunity to hammer him, he didn't leave his vote on Pink Ball. It was as if he was waiting for every possible chance of someone voting wrong; he only cast his vote when it was clear neither of us were going to change our votes.

Final point: there's a stark contrast between Clemency's iso (not a lick of scumhunting) and Purrcocet's iso, where you can see it.

If this wasn't random, there's an immediate attack on Pink Ball; Purrcocet later showed strong suspicion there even if leaning towards you.
Purrcocet's attitude towards voting Pink Ball also indicated town; he did unvote, but the way he voted and unvoted is actually evidence of being town, as scum would be more likely to commit. (For further proof of this, see Pink Ball's Clemency vote.)

I'd be lying if I said Clemency's 100% scum, but he's a solid 80%.


Clem go ahead and make your case

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:01 pm
by Clemency
yikes
wow
okay

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:01 pm
by Clemency
yeah no i cant beat that
i concede

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:02 pm
by Clemency
VOTE: clemency

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:15 pm
by TTTT
VOTE: Clem

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:55 pm
by Clemency
gg i was a 1-shot rb

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:56 am
by Slaxx
Lol

Clem was a mafia 1-shot roleblocker

Sorry no fancy flip On my way to work

Good job town!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:45 am
by Gamma Emerald
Yeah sorry for quitting but I was kinda out of it before the goof with who died then I knew I wasn't on my best game at all

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:55 am
by Pink Ball
I told you guys Clem was scum and that I was a gunsmith. You should've believed me fo shizzle

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:00 am
by Clemency
^

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:24 am
by TTTT
Pink Ball I apologize for not listening to you...

thanks for modding Slaxx!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:25 am
by TTTT
There is only one thing left to reveal.... my flavor!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:29 am
by TTTT
Spoiler:

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:31 am
by TTTT
@Slaxx -- you should have made my role
Neighborizer-Immune Townie
to fit my flavor

but I'm glad you didn't

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:36 am
by Pink Ball
Wait a minute, you were Mr T for real???? That would be AWESOME