Micro 850: Follow the Leader (Game Over)

CultOfAthena · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:12 pm

It doesn't matter. TTTT is scum.

CultOfAthena · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:13 pm

You have no idea how much I would rage if I somehow managed to get lynched this game. Please don't place that possibility into my mind. It's not going to happen.

Auro · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:14 pm

If he identifies correctly and the game goes to LyLo, I'll have to put in a lot more effort into solving

There are some indicators that show CoA is likely town though. I'd hate to go into LyLo with YS having guessed correctly :$

CultOfAthena · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:20 pm

I expect to wake up to a victory and heaps of praise for solving the game in my first post and how amazing i am obviously.

only half joking.

volxen · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:21 pm

Hint: If scum has been paying very close attention to this game, especially to day one, they could deduce who the town leader is, and that would have guided their "towny" play on day two.

Auro and COA, I really want you both to think about that with respect to how you both are mutually reading each other. If scum deduced during night one who the town leader is based on certain events that transpired on day one, then the things that happened on day two that caused you both to townread each other so strongly are thrown out the window.

Believe me, I want this game to be a simple solve of PenguinPower/TTTT. We already had our Starcraft 2 game against one extreme deepwolf (Alchemist) and one semi deepwolf (Pint), so I don't really want to have to deal with that again in this game.

Auro · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:23 pm

In post 153, CultOfAthena wrote:I expect to wake up to a victory and heaps of praise for solving the game in my first post and how amazing i am obviously.

only half joking.

I had the same PoE as you N1 (with you in it instead of me), you just happened to post it faster

Which was actually good.
ALSO you've shown you're competent, so I wager you'd have easily guessed TL as scum also. You don't think so?

Auro · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:26 pm

Volx, don't keep saying that!!
See, you KNOW that CoA and I already know who the TL.
It's worth taking our chances on YS. Don't give any info that might make him make a better guess in the universe he's scum.

volxen · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:28 pm

I am 100% convinced that neither member of the scumteam knew who the town leader is on day one. I am convinced that if they were really, really, really paying close attention to day one, then they could have known who the town leader is as early as night one. This is why I have Yellowsnow as locktown,

because day one play is more town indicative than day two play

as the game may have been compromised as early as night one.

Auro · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:35 pm

So you're thinking I should lynch CoA and not YS if we make to LyLo? Since she didn't post D1.

volxen · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:39 pm

Auro his day one play simply makes no sense from a scum perspective. If anything, PenguinPower would have been more likely to quickhammer as scum on day one, as he is much more experienced and would be better able to defend himself post quickhammering. YellowSnow is a relatively brand-new player who just got mislynched as town on day one in Newbie 1913. Even with Penguin's coaching, he's not going to have the confidence to do that as scum.

I don't see how you are so strongly coming to the conclusion that scum!Yellowsnow is more likely than scum!COA. His day one play should hold more weight than COA's day two play based on what I have previously said.

Auro · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:41 pm

Oh if he gets the TL wrong I'll quicklynch him of course. :3
If he gets it right I'm just of the mindset that I'll sit back and evaluate, leaning CoA. But cool.

volxen · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:42 pm

I am saying that out of {Auro, COA, Yellowsnow}, Yellowsnow is the only one out of you three who did something on

DAY ONE THAT IS STRONGLY TOWN INDICATIVE.

Auro · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:46 pm

No. I did a couple that are strongly town indicative too.

volxen · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:52 pm

Like I honestly don't see how either of you think scum!Yellowsnow is a thing.

Maybe I should just spell everything out, because I think

all of the events that have transpired

in this game suggest that everyone knows who the town leader is anyways.

Auro · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:56 pm

Dude NO!

Just wait for YS to claim the TL!

CultOfAthena · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:59 pm

Jesus christ, it doesn't matter, TTTT is scum.

Also volxen, you're unambiguously wrong that YS wouldn't quickhammer as scum. I just finished a game where he did exactly that. It doesn't take "confidence" to lolhammer someone as scum.

volxen · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 am

In post 164, Auro wrote:Dude NO!

Just wait for YS to claim the TL!

Auro, HE IS TOWN. When you look at everything that has transpired in this game, it paints a clear picture that everyone knows who the town leader is.

Surely you must see this.

Auro · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:02 am

@Volxen: I understand why you think so. I have a reason to believe it might not be correct. Anyway just wait till YS claims TL.

CultOfAthena · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:03 am

You're being silly to townread YS over me or Auro. You're also being silly to think that the game is not currently over.

It's literally not an important conversation to have and it's almost kind of funny how much of my contribution this game has just been telling people to stop talking when it won't actually help in any way.

Auro · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:06 am

In post 168, CultOfAthena wrote:You're also being silly to think that the game is not currently over.

Murphy's law.

volxen · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:07 am

In post 165, CultOfAthena wrote:Jesus christ, it doesn't matter, TTTT is scum.

Also volxen, you're unambiguously wrong that YS wouldn't quickhammer as scum. I just finished a game where he did exactly that. It doesn't take "confidence" to lolhammer someone as scum.

Confidence issues aside, there is no denying that in the context of this specific game, his quickhammer on page two on day one

MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE

from a town!pov than a scum!pov.

Sure, scum can and do quickhammer in some cases. But think about in this specific game mode, why might a townie who knows who the town leader is suddenly quickhammer like that... on page two... one day one?

Auro · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:09 am

Say no more till YS claims please

volxen · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:22 am

In post 162, Auro wrote:No. I did a couple that are strongly town indicative too.

I know exactly what you are referring to with respect to your day one play, but it's not in the same league as far as why Yellowsnow's day one play should make him locktown. If you believe that your day one play should objectively make you locktown, then you should believe that Yellowsnow is locktown as well due to his day one play. In fact, if you are being entirely objective, you would agree with me that Yellowsnow's day one play is more town-indicative than your day one play.

Two people got up to L-1 on day one, one got quickhammered and the other didn't. Think about that distinction and why town!Yellowsnow did he what he did.

volxen · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:44 am

Yellowsnow is town here. Be objective, and you will see that he is town. Don't lynch him if this goes to day 4.

volxen · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:59 am

@Yellowsnow, If you are on please come in and just state who the town leader is so we can get that part over with. If this game goes to 3-player lylo with {you, Auro, COA}, whichever one of Auro or COA is town will be more likely to believe that you are town if you state who the town leader is now rather than waiting for day four to do that.

I am convinced that you are town because of your day one play, but you will need to convince one of Auro or COA that you are town in the event that this game goes to a fourth day.