LOL, so it really was the easy solve. Sigh. Sorry COA, but I'm usually inclined to believe that every game has at least one deepwolf, and I thought you could have been it this game. But I also had my supsicions that Auro could have been hardcore deepwolfing as well.
Yeah my goal with that silly RVS vote (voting TGP because "green is superior to gold") was to make it blantantly obvious to all fellow
townies
that I was town, because what are the odds that I would vote for the town leader like that with such a goofy reason on page one? I felt that every single townie would pick up on it, but scum wouldn't be able to make sense of it, because to the uninformed (i.e., scum) it looks like just another silly RVS vote. Although I suppose there's the argument that the whole bit about "green vs gold" was bit a risky, because green is the color associated with town (which is also my favorite color!), and perhaps I was indirectly saying "Hey, I know you have a green role PM TGP". But I didn't think scum could confidently make that assumption based on that alone, and I felt it was entirely worth it to get myself locked in as town right off the bat on early day one.
Funny enough, I placed an RVS vote for Yellowsnow for the exact same reason in Newbie 1913 ("green is a better color than yellow"). I knew I wanted to crumb right off the bat on day one that I knew TGP was the town leader, but I remembered my RVS vote from Newbie 1913 and decided to do the same thing here with respect to TGP.
Link to Newbie 1913:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=78419
Link to my RVS vote in Newbie 1913:
viewtopic.php?p=10673889#p10673889
Now the reason why I defended town!Yellowsnow so hard is because of this sequence:
In post 28, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Okay.
The game mechanic can be used to confirm two or more people.
When we have someone we would otherwise lynch, we force them to say who town leader is.
We then force the second most scummy player to confirm the town leader.
Town then votes HEAL or HURT, if that is the correct answer or not.
If they get it correct, both the first person and the town leader are ICs - generating 2 ICs.
The second is not confirmed, but should be leantown.
If the first one gets it incorrect, and the second one disagrees, we have 1 conf scum, and can repeat this process.
If the first one gets it incorrect, and the second one agrees, we have 2 conf scum and can repeat.
If the first one gets it correct, and the second one disagrees, we have 1 conf scum (player 2) and 2 conf town (player 1 + town leader)
Only breadcrumb town leader if you know you can do it without mafia figuring out and it can only be seen if you explain it.
VOTE: Vedith because first you suggest not only a nolynch, but a SPEED nolynch, and then follow it up with
26 and
27.
In post 29, Vedith wrote:No we're not outing the IC day 1 and that's even more scummy than my idea.
After PP is lynched today I will be on you tomorrow.
In post 30, Vedith wrote:So far Volxen is town
TGP Scum lean
PP Scum
Im winning this for us.
Simply, it came down to the question of, "What would drive a townie to quickhammer someone on page two on day one?" The only logical explanation that made sense is because Vedith inadvertently made it look like he didn't know who the town leader is by pretending to scumread TGP. Vedith talks about lynching PenguinPower on day one, and TGP on day two. Auro, Not_Mafia, and Yellowsnow all vote him back-to-back after that post, with Yellowsnow being the hammer voter. That is why Yellowsnow was the only person I had as 100% locktown. Yellowsnow objectively had more town equity than Auro because while Auro joined as the third voter on a wagon that could have easily dissolved if Vedith had been given a chance to town it up, Yellowsnow is the one who took Vedith out after he listed TGP as a scumread. And COA didn't even post until day two, and with my theory that scum figured out who the town leader is on night one, that absolutely meant that Yellowsnow objectively had more town equity than COA as well. The sequence of events on day one clearly demonstrated that Yellowsnow
KNEW
TGP was the town leader, and that was the one and only reason why he quickhammered Vedith (and also why he didn't quickhammer Not_Mafia, who also got up to L-1).
Now I had my suspicions that Vedith could have been town, but playing a more advanced game of pretending to scumread the town leader to throw off scum. It's definitely a gambity play because it makes you look like scum via being uninformed, but at the same time it's not really good if everyone has the townleader as locktown. So I understand why he did it, and that's why I genuinely didn't want Yellowsnow to lolhammer like he did, but I nevertheless fully understood
WHY
town!Yellowsnow would pull that move.
On the other hand, Auro made this post on day one:
In post 38, Auro wrote:I'm not commenting on plans just yet.
Volxen, you should avoid posting analysis right now - you'd only end up telling scum how to play, and I think the reveal should happen lategame, by which point there's a wealth of content.
Townread on Volxen, pretty good at reading him.
Vedith's early posts were troll posts - uncomfortable with his transition to "serious" play, I can roll with this wagon.
VOTE: Vedith
Because Auro and I have so much history together (between playing against each other and hydraing together), I wasn't convinced that day one post from him was 100% proof that he is town, because I could see scum!Auro entering the game by fake townreading me and coming up with a reason to insert himself onto the Vedith wagon ("uncomfortable with his transition to serious play"). Especially because I was already on the wagon, and in this game it's much more safe to
join
an existing wagon as scum rather than to
start
a new one, since you run the risk of inadvertently pushing and starting a wagon on the town leader. As town it makes complete sense why he would say this, but I also thought it was entirely possible that he was scum, didn't know who the town leader was on day one, and it just ended up that his whole "uncomfortable with his transition to serious play" was an odd coincidence that made him look like he knew who the town leader was when he really didn't. If Auro had somehow crumbed or referred to TGP directly one day one, I probably would have had him as locktown as well, but he didn't take it that far. Then I reasoned that if Auro is scum, he knew by night one who the town leader is by looking at
WHY
Yellowsnow lolhammered Vedith (there is only one reason why town!Yellowsnow would do this), so he came out of the gates on day two by saying "look for a chain" (see posts
65 and
67), knowing that he inadvertently made himself look like he knew who the town leader was on day one when he really didn't, and was capitalizing on that to get himself falsely locked in as town. Believe me, I've played with Auro enough and I know that if he was scum in this game, he would have been able to deduce that TGP is the town leader via Yellowsnow's quickhammer of Vedith, and he would capitalize on anything he did on day one that arguably made it look like he knew who the town leader is, even though scum!Auro wouldn't have known who the town leader is on day one. I also think scum!Auro probably would open with fake townreading me as opposed to fake scumreading me, as it's easier for him to do that given all of our history together, and it probably makes me less inclined to case him as hard as I would if he were to falsely push me as a scumread.
That's what I was trying to get across during day 3 as far as why Yellowsnow was the only person I had as 100% locktown.
