Micro 938: Butterfly Mafia [game over]

[Umlaut]

Knightmare: It's {Lucky, Votato}
Also Knightmare: The scummy thing Votato just did isn't

that

scummy.

Why is this actually bad? Do you think it's good town play to regard everything their scumread does as maximally scummy, or do you just think it's what town are most likely to do for some reason?

[LuckyLuciano]

I think it's odd for Knightmare to be hardpushing votato up until the point he's called out as votato's scumpartner, and then he suddenly starts defending votato and dismissing arguments against him on his behalf.

[Umlaut]

I'll think some more about that.

[Umlaut]

Oh, and if Knightmare really thinks his solve could be wrong, he would be trying to sort Umlaut. He hasn't been doing that because he's waiting to hear Recti's take before defining a stance. Let's get Knightmare's read on Umlaut before Recti gives his solve.

This is a fair point though, I honestly have no idea what Knightmare thinks of me atm and he seemed to switch into joke mode as soon as Lucky asked a real question.

[Rectiplanes]

After rereading everything:

Knightmare

is town.

[Rectiplanes]

Possibilities:

Umlaut/Knightmare

-

Literally Impossible

- game would already be over as they'd have coordinated a vote on either Lucky or Votato.

Votato/LuckyLuciano - As of the beginning of the day, the reads of the players who weren't me were:

• LuckyLuciano: (Votato & KM/Umlaut) (way to be decisive there)
  Votato: (LuckyLuciano & Knightmare)
  Knightmare: (LuckyLuciano & Votato)
  Umlaut: (LuckyLuciano & Votato)

Note that we know that Knightmare and Umlaut cannot be scum together. Of (Votato, Knightmare, Umlaut), all are scumreading LuckyLuciano; as one of them is the remaining scum, if Lucky is scum, one of them has to be scum bussing LuckyLuciano. We also see that of (LuckyLuciano, Knightmare, Umlaut), all are scumreading Votato; if Votato is scum, as one of them is the remaining scum, one of them has to be scum bussing Votato, too. In any case, scum is bussing today.

Let's prove that...

If LuckyLuciano or Votato are scum, in either case, this is trivially proved. Let's work through the logic of them being town and work through the logic there...

Town LuckyLuciano: Then scum is either (Knightmare/Votato or Votato/Umlaut); in either case, scum is still bussing.
Town Votato: Then scum is either LuckyLuciano/Knightmare or LuckyLuciano/Umlaut); in either case, scum is still bussing.

Let's take Lucky up on his offer in #694.

[Rectiplanes]

After rereading the whole game, I have a strong suspicion that the solve may well be (Votato, LuckyLuciano).

Let's put this to the acid test.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[Umlaut]

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[Umlaut]

You were right, that test was quite conclusive.

[Rectiplanes]

Hmm, perhaps not?

[votato]

no i think it was conclusive. gg.

[Rectiplanes]

So you two were the scumteam.

Such is life.

[votato]

this was a fun game. sorry for being an ass to you, lucky and KM. KM you need to stop deathtunneling me every game though, it was a bit too easy to make people not take you seriously.

[Umlaut]

I hate lurking to victory as scum and I feel like that's what I did this game :/ at least until I started efforting a bit at the end there. Looker kind of made it easy for me to coast.

[Rectiplanes]

Yes, Looker trashed two days for town. Votato was more likely to be scum than Lucky, but to be perfectly honest, Lucky's attitude annoyed me to the point where, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and if I'm right, I'm right, but either way maybe he'll tone down the smug/jerk tendencies in the future.

GG to all except Looker. Loads of fun at first, though.

[votato]

day 1 was too much fun. that sort of shitshow is extra fun as scum when its perfectly along with your wincon. its just too bad that it ended so fast. i think looker is going on my WotC list.

[Rectiplanes]

WOTC?

If that means you're not playing in games with him, then that makes sense.

[LuckyLuciano]

Good to know that you continue to scumread me as town and blame me for your inability to read me. Oh well, I would have voted Knightmare at LYLO anyway. GG scum. I am never playing with Looker again, however.

[votato]

WotC = wisdom of the crowd. most moderators use it so players can say they dont wanna play with someone and get them removed from the lobby. yeah this woulda been much more challenging if not for looker. hard to say what the game might have looked like, because obviously our strat as scum woulda changed. beyond looker it really was fun tho

[LuckyLuciano]

Umlaut's interactions with you really fooled me. I also had a hard time getting over Knightmare seemingly giving up on the game. I don't blame him for it, it was just hard for me to interpret.

[Umlaut]

yeah. if he really double-voted to hammer after two ICs explicitly said not to, then thats pretty scummy. yeah. obviously not confirmed, but...

also, OP says this is a normal game. i dont think double-voter is a normal role (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game). that means lucky is lying.

Where does the OP say this? I thought I remembered signing up for a normal game but I can't find anything saying so in the rules.

This is my favorite post of mine in the game

because I told votato in the PT that it was a normal game, then came in here and started giving him shit for saying so

[LuckyLuciano]

this was a fun game. sorry for being an ass to you, lucky and KM. KM you need to stop deathtunneling me every game though, it was a bit too easy to make people not take you seriously.

I didn't take any of it personally. It's all a game. I enjoyed playing with you.

[Knightmare491]

Yeah I'm not playing with looker or votato ever again.
Honestly I'm just tired of being right about scum and then not being taken seriously in most of my town games. I'm not as analytical as Planes or Lucky, I'm more of a tonal & instincts player.
How I play mafia is in some ways a direct reflection of how I am IRL, I don't really give a fuck about convincing people of anything, I'm more of a either you like me or you dislike me idgaf type of person.
On the balance of things I'd probably have voted votato over lucky today and then lylo would be really really hard.
I was just waiting for planes because I knew he would give at least some insight which would probably help me analyse the game better.
I hadn't given up, the game was really frustrating in general. The 2 page 1v1 between Lucky and I was really really getting on my nerves, he was constantly misrepping me and making things look a million times worse than they were and I was getting really sick of replying to it.

[Knightmare491]

Another VT here.

Thinking it has to be {votato, Lucky}. In any case it has to be Lucky because there is just no way {Knightmare, votato} is the team.

Then why isn't your vote on me?

From your perspective if you are town, then the game should be solved. Unless you disagree with this?
It should be (votato, umalaut). Even if you consider it could be (me, umalaut). Then you should be voting Umalaut?

This was the game right here
I just wanted Lucky to use some common sense and make me realise he's town
Honestly most of why I thought it was votato+lucky is because votato calling Lucky scum just because he was lurking was too convenient, it made sense in my head that scum! Lucky would have planned all this in the QT.

[Knightmare491]

this was a fun game. sorry for being an ass to you, lucky and KM. KM you need to stop deathtunneling me every game though, it was a bit too easy to make people not take you seriously.

I didn't death tunnel you at all, I said your case on me was shit and did not scum read you for it. But you continued with it after which I realised that this kinda BS can't come from town. All your case on me was that I put momnkey on l-1 and that makes me scum.