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Post Post #4225  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:18 pm

https://tft.mobalytics.gg/ for tft players this is a really informative site that tells you a lot and also gives you ideas for decentish team comps to try out
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Post Post #4226  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:25 pm

In post 4220, Panzerjager wrote:Hey look, mastina came up with the exact comp that was the best thing on pbe before nerfs.
Yes and I did it on my own without looking anything up, thankyouverymuch.

Kinda annoyed that so many other people play it to be honest; it makes it harder for me to do it if everyone else is trying for the same thing. :P
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Post Post #4227  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:46 pm

mastina try out other comps
if you keep on repeating the samething you'll get bored of it, plus auto chess is about adapating to the pieces you get offered.

I've tried a lot of Knight Rangers and I've been having fun
I've also had fun everytime I went Glacial
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Post Post #4228  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:51 pm

also mastina other people play it because they're seeing more WW, Nidalees, and Ahris before you do
I almost never see Ahris so I never get to go that comp anymore.
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Post Post #4229  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:29 pm

I had a team that seemed soooo strong lose by landslide to glacial in a finals.

Glacial seems like it has to be the strongest endgame team.

It stuns all your units, and now your units don't move. What is the counter to that? Karthus ult? no Karthus can't ult while he's stunned. Kayle ult? no Kayle can't ult while she's stunned. Kindred ult (which counter a lot of my best endgame teams), nope kindred can't ult while she's stunned.

The game doesn't have tenacity or cleanse effects. Mechanically if Rapid Fire Cannon Ashe shoots a unit and rolls "yes" on her glacial proc, there are no mechanics in the entire game that can make your unit not get stunned, unless Kayle ult blocks which I doubt because it doesn't work that way in Summoner's Rift and Kayle ult doesn't block lifesteal.

I'm gonna try to consider transitioning to glacial more often when it looks like I'm going to top4.
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Post Post #4230  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:26 pm

i keep feeling weird qiyana cravings and then i play her and they're gone
reminds me of when i was learning zilean i spose
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Post Post #4231  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:23 pm

That's definitely how zil feels for sure.
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Post Post #4232  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:38 am

Am fully convinced she's OP now that I understand better what can be done with her ult. The mix of top-tier utility and damage she has right now seems sure to make up for her lack of sustain in capable hands. Much like old ryze, the core of her kit is super reliable even if the overall package requires situational decision-making and mechanics. People are gonna get better and better with her and then she'll be gutted.
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Post Post #4233  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:57 am

The problem is her playing phase is sub-par and she's even more snowball reliant than other assassins. They basically need to stand next to a wall for this to work.

Also her base damage sucks.
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Post Post #4234  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:02 am

Yah she def has her downsides. Wonder if she really more snowball reliant, though! In my mind her ult and so on make her more useful when behind than other assassins might be? I'm not sure, she's so beyond me.
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Post Post #4235  (ISO)  » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:12 pm

In post 4229, popsofctown wrote:I had a team that seemed soooo strong lose by landslide to glacial in a finals.
IF you can get them going, Glacial 6 with any accompanying synergies (e.g. Guardian, Ranger, Demon, Knight, Elementalist) is literally hands-down the strongest comp in the game bar none.

The problem is, that's one big huge gigantic 'if'.
You need to get Anivia, a 5-cost unit that's ultra-rare; you need to frequently roll Lissandras, Braums, Ashes, and Volibears and while getting a T2 Ashe isn't too hard (and maybe, MAYBE T2 Lissandras/Braums/Volibears/Sejuanis), getting T3s is basically impossible yet you need at least one T3 glacial for the comp to work.

If you can get it going, it's ridiculously broken...but you'll never be able to get it going in time 95% of the time and you'll just...DIE. (Same thing applies for Noble 6 btw; 6 nobles is brokenly powerful...but it relies on getting Kayle and rolling lots of noble units to get T2s. T2s on Lucian, Fiora, Garen, and Vayne are easy and you might even get T3s for them, but the remaining two are quite a bit harder to get T2 on.)

Is something I wanna do for fun tho.
(I've played around with max-Shapeshifters and max-Brawlers; max-Glacial's one I want to try out.)

Honestly I think that any team with heavy CC on units that don't die, is pretty damn strong. (For an example, I hardcore lost to a team with a triple-spear of shojin-Pyke, whose ult stuns your entire team...and this was POST NERF ON PYKE but even post-nerf his stun is OP when given triple shojin.)

In post 4229, popsofctown wrote:The game doesn't have tenacity or cleanse effects.
I legit do think that's what the game needs most of all.

Assassin comps are hard-countered by Phantom Dancer as an item because it shuts down their ability to instakill units. (Well, there are other counters to an assassin comp...among them being the glacial comp. But Phantom Dancer is a fairly reliable, easy to obtain counter.)

I legit think that for all the comps that stun, they need a counter in the form of an item doing exactly that, giving immunity to stuns.
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Post Post #4236  (ISO)  » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:16 pm

In post 4232, Psyche wrote:Am fully convinced she's OP now that I understand better what can be done with her ult. The mix of top-tier utility and damage she has right now seems sure to make up for her lack of sustain in capable hands. Much like old ryze, the core of her kit is super reliable even if the overall package requires situational decision-making and mechanics. People are gonna get better and better with her and then she'll be gutted.
Yeah my prediction is that her ult gets hard-nerfed.

The rest of her mechanics seem pretty similar to most other assassins, e.g. Akali. Maybe she's a bit stronger in some ways, maybe she's a bit weaker in other ways, maybe she's slightly different, maybe she's overpowered even without her ult, but those abilities aren't going to need radical changes to be balanced. They might require fine tweaking, but they're as a concept just fine.

Qiyana's ult though is busted. It can be used on most areas of the map. Yes, it can't be used inside a base; yes, it's hard to use in a lane (hard, not impossible, as if someone gets knocked/goes on their own too close to the map wall...she can ult on said wall), but on like 80% of the map she can use it to delete whoever's hit...and she can hit basically anyone with it.
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Post Post #4237  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:54 am

I don't even know (or care) about what she does
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Post Post #4238  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:29 am

In post 4235, mastina wrote:
In post 4229, popsofctown wrote:The game doesn't have tenacity or cleanse effects.
I legit do think that's what the game needs most of all.

Assassin comps are hard-countered by Phantom Dancer as an item because it shuts down their ability to instakill units. (Well, there are other counters to an assassin comp...among them being the glacial comp. But Phantom Dancer is a fairly reliable, easy to obtain counter.)

I legit think that for all the comps that stun, they need a counter in the form of an item doing exactly that, giving immunity to stuns.

Sometimes you can't get an item you want no matter what. So I think I'd like to see unit-based counters more since those are generally pretty accessible.

Like I was watching disguised_toast stream and he had a highly carry based team then someone randomly tossed a blitzcrank into their team that wasn't there before and killed his stacked draven and slaughtered him

It's annoying to want to counter something using an item and to just never roll the right item. It's doubly annoying when that item is just generically good anyway and you just want it anyway and you don't get it but I think that is narrowly just rapid fire cannon versus yordles, it feels mega bad when you're like, it is bad on it's own not to be able to find recurve bows, but i'm fighting this niche comp and now it's double-bad.

I'd like it if they reworded kindred ult to "dodge all attacks and spells while the units are at X hp or less" cause that feels like it needs more counterplay too.

If they decide to go with item based counterplay I think they would need to let us break apart items into their components at some point
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Post Post #4239  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:00 am

Blitz crank only works once though.
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Post Post #4240  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:02 pm

Yeah. Was more about the concept than a strong assertion that Blitzcrank is currently keeping a super health rock paper scissors lizard spock dynamic metagame going.

If the opposing adc has rapid firecannon in their 3 item stack and you give blitz a bit of attack speed then you would always pull the adc on the second hook? But the adc might have already contributed too much by then so I dunno
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