Favorite Video Game Tournament (Pokémon Wins! + Condorcet)

[Hiraki]

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MK Wii
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SMB
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Wind Waker, Skyward Sword

[Hiraki]

These TP votes are disheartening.

[Hiraki]

MK Wii was only bad if you used a Wiimote. It has the absolute perfect control.

Also, I like hard maps in Mario Kart and MKWii's maps are fustratingly hard.

[Hiraki]

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Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock
Mario Party 2 (no 3 is absolute bullshit)
Persona 3
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Sims 2
Dota 2

[Hiraki]

Why are people voting for Doom, when Doom 2 is the more polished game, with added enemies, and extra weapons? It's like saying you would rather read a book with half the pages torn out, or watch a TV show where half of the plot has been removed...

At least with Guitar Hero 2 getting votes over Warriors of Rock it's obvious people are going for song quality over gameplay.

Gameplay?

You mean GH3's loose timing window and inaccurate as shit rhythms?

GH Warriors Of Rock isn't GH3...

Warriors of Rock was really GH6, and actually had some use behind the characters beyond just images, that changed how you played when using them, and had some strategy when it came to the end of the game.

Disgrace DemonHybrid.

Disgrace.

[Hiraki]

Metroid Prime
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Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong Country

Banjo Kazooie
Deus Ex

Batman: Arkham Asylum
The Walking Dead

Assassin's Creed
Goldeneye 007

Doom
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Guitar Hero II
Left For Dead II

Persona 3
Star Wars: Battlefront II

Star Fox 64
Mario Party 2

[Hiraki]

Hey, if you're only voting for one game in Group 9, be a pal and add Tales of Symphonia to your list

no

[Hiraki]

Portal
Sid II
Sid V
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Half-Life 2
Tetris
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FTL

[Hiraki]

Guitar Hero II
Kingdom Hearts
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Halo 3
Rock Band
Earthbound
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Banjo Kazooie

[Hiraki]

Star Wars Battlefront II
Super Mario World
Mass Effect
SSBM
Bioshock
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[Hiraki]

LTTP
GTA:SA
RCT
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MGS3
SSBB
KOTORII
OoT

those acronyms

[Hiraki]

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Sid V
Half-Life 2
FTL
Guitar Hero II
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Donkey Kong Country 2 (This was by far the hardest match so far)
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[Hiraki]

Melee was by and far the worst game in that series...

Except it goes Melee>SSB>SSBB

[Hiraki]

Brawl isn't bad. It's just not an improvement.

Not to mention, everything is slower.

[Hiraki]

Super Mario World
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Super Smash Brothers
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Link to the Past
Roller Coaster Tycoon
Metal Gear Solid 3
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

[Hiraki]

Sid V
Tetris
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Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
A Link to the Past
Majora's Mask

Nintendomination

[Hiraki]

Tetris
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Super Mario 64
A Link to the Past

Ocarina of Time
Super Mario Bros. 3

Pac-Man

[Hiraki]

Portal might actually beat Tetris?

I'm going to sincerely answer this question:

How many times have you guys beaten Portal 1?

[Hiraki]

Portal might actually beat Tetris?

I'm going to sincerely answer this question:

How many times have you guys beaten Portal 1?

How many times have you beaten Tetris?

Not my point.

[Hiraki]

I'd be hard pressed to even see an argument as to Tetris being "better" than Portal in any way.

If you play it because you have nothing better to do, then it must have some appeal.

My point is that I think Portal is a better game than Tetris. There's no doubt in my mind about it. But you could say the same thing for Deadly Premonition and Resident Evil. Granted, it's not the best comparison, but the point lies in the idea that I'll take Deadly Premonition, even if I hate frame dips (and I'm trying to play Pokemon Y right now and anything with Fennekin is hell), because it's fun. I honestly get that Portal can be fun for some people but the fact that it has the same levels and no variability with 4~ hours worth of content just doesn't sound like a fun game to me. It just sounds like a game that everyone will pick because it's the everyone choice. I'd rather have Portal 2 up here than Portal 1.

[Hiraki]

So variability in ~4 hours of content is the most important thing? Jesus, then Rogue should have won -- and it wasn't even nominated.

Do you realize why Gone Home isn't a game?

[Hiraki]

It's the same repetitive stuff over and over again with the only change being speed.

And yet, people still play it today.

It's that formula that creates the game.

[Hiraki]

I can't convince you guys and I'm not going to try any longer. Take it as a "Haha! We won!", I don't care. You're just misconstruing my argument and will continue to do so. Prana's last statement basically confirms that notion.

[Hiraki]

We merely disagree and are arguing the points you presented.

No, both times you and Prana have jumped on the "bait." I didn't leave it on purpose but it obviously is attractive but is not specifically what I am addressing.

You could make arguments both ways, but to say that one game is better than another because you can play it over and over instead of just once seems poor.

Unlike Reck here who is addressing my point. I would say you were wrong here though. While I do not trust major game scores (for the fact that they linger on the scores rather than the facts about the game), replayability is almost always a "factor" (again because there is no real grid system because they're shouldn't and can't be one) in a game's review. I mean sure, if there's a game that has a point and it only needs to be played once to understand that point, then sure. You can throw replayability out the window. To say, however, that you will have the same experience in a game every time is just a bad thing to say. It's why the Cage games and Bioshock Infinite are bad. There's a choice to be different, sure. But are you really going to feel different every time? No. The fact is that your choices do not matter in these games and playing them once is all you need to do. Bioshock 1, on the other hand, has shit lying around everywhere. You can more and more content by just searching rather than playing the main game (this is also true for Bioshock Infinite but definitely on a much lower degree). The problem that I find with Portal is that the main game is the only thing going for it. The driving force is simple puzzles and GLaDoS' crude humor (not to say that these are bad things but I can't seem them being GOTY or greater worthy factors)

The main reason I adore the Legend of Zelda series is because I don't remember the layout of the temples. The only ones that I know for a fact would be maybe the first temple of every game (mainly because it's the easiest and is a tutorial dungeon). So, when I play a Zelda game again, I have to rethink about these puzzles. Do I remember how to do stuff based off of past experience? Sure! Do I remember how to do everything? No, and that basically sums up how I like games. When I think of Portal, I do have the same feelings. Of course, I'm not going to remember how every course works out. However, with 20 (15?) courses, figuring out the courses maybe took a minute or two before the rest of the game was just getting everything to work. With Zelda, I'd bargain more time but I realize that the games aren't on a different level than Portal. It's just that some of the puzzles are larger in a sense. I really just don't get the love over Portal for its puzzles. Is the Portal Gun cool? Sure! It's like the Half-Life 2 Gravity Gun. But the Half-Life 2 Gravity Gun didn't make the game. There is much more to Half-Life 2 than physics puzzles. There's a plot, a solid FPS, and good gameplay. I only see decent gameplay in Portal.

[Hiraki]

I hate saying stupid things too, good recovery though!

Okay, so if you really want to go down this dumb road, a road that advised you not take on my own will, then I can easily say I've beaten Tetris (i.e. played the game and fulfilled the qualifications needed to end the game->losing) more than a few times.

The point I was making, smartass, was that I wanted to see if the people who were voting Portal 1 had only played it once.

Hiraki~ I addressed your point with an analogy, I'm sorry if you didn't get it.

No, you quoted the first part of my post and forgot about the second. I'm not even going to argue with you if this is what I'm going to get.

Though your terminology of "main game" feels rather obtuse.

It's justified in the sense that people play the original DMC rather than the Ninja Theory DMC because the original DMC, whilst having the same (or close to the same) system as Ninja Theory's DMC, is preferred because everything in those games are just better. For Portal's example, you could play Portal or another puzzle game. I am puzzled on what Portal has to offer against other games.

Portal is game of the year material because it was one of the most original games of its time.

In a sense, sure. But again, as I said with my Half Life 2 correlation, no one says that the Gravity Gun was great. They say that Half Life 2 was great. I feel that the Portal Gravity Gun is the only thing going for the game. If I'm wrong about this, please tell me.

Just as well, Portal did a wonderful job of integrating story and gameplay together in a manner that blends them together perfectly.

I just can't agree with you here. The story is literally:
1) Beat the puzzles.
2) Hurray! You beat the puzzles. Escape dying.
3) Kill the thing that tried to kill you.

It isn't just a game, it's an experience

That said, Portal is far from any of my favorite game

No, this just doesn't make any sense.

But just because you can play something over and over out of boredom

No, that's not good replayability. In fact, that would lean toward little to no replayability. I'm not arguing if you can play the game again. Of course you can. The point is that you can play the game again and that it won't be boring or get old.

Saying that Portal is an experience proves that point immensely. I just don't understand how it can be a favorite game if it's really a one-time play and it's quite mediocre by definition.

Tetris being replayable and presenting a new challenge every time basically just makes it Bejeweled.

You could say that about any game that randomly starts, no?

[Hiraki]

Really? Have you even? Tamuz?

He's going for the fact that you can win in Tetris.

Which seems to be the key thing you're trumpeting here... that it is random and the difficulty slightly increases each level.

No, no, no. I'm saying that Portal is just about the same thing over and over again. I'm okay with this, as I said that the Legend of Zelda is one of my favorite game series and that is the same method. I don't understand how it could be anyone's favorite game due to the fact that it's not long, therefore it's not hard to forget things that happen in the levels, even if you can't replicate those events right now, and that it's the same thing everytime.

[Hiraki]

Sonic 3 and Knuckles can be beaten in about the same time as Portal can (if not less time), and has much, much less story involved (Robotnik tricks Knuckles to attack Sonic, and steals Master Emerald, Sonic tries to stop him), do we argue that it's not very good due to it being so short? I mean that's in my top 10 games of all time, and I doubt it's shifting very soon.

No, because there's a variation of what you can do and where you can go and how you can do it.

I just... I don't get how the "length" of the game is an argument...

Again, it's not the argument. The argument is that it's short and there's little to no replayability value. It's not one or the other, it's the two bundled together.

(which you seem to have completely missed as you played it with the sound off or something, I dunno...)

Please, tell me about this "engrossing" story.

Plus it does have replayability in the attempts to complete the levels in a quicker time.

Do you really care about speed? Do you play Sonic 3 to see if you can beat your time from whoever knows how ago?

I'm dropping this.

[Hiraki]

Pokemon
Majora's Mask
A Link to the Past
Super Mario Bros. 3
Minesweeper

[Hiraki]

Majora's Mask
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Bros. 3
Pac-Man
Tekken