League of Legends (Old)

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people with lvl~10 smurfs should add me (blargerer)

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I'm appreciative of those that took time to give advice. I've played with lvl 30's before (and again tonight) and just don't enjoy it nearly as much. My main reason for playing is to play with an RL friend, and my main reason for playing with you guys is to catch up to his lvl (16). Having seen those that take the game too seriously, I'll just enjoy the journey for what it is.

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For those that don't want to use skype (it can be quite resource taxing):
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22037

There are some LoL rooms set aside.

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Shanba will be in here shortly to explain the mathematics of healing the tankiest thing because then each point healed is more efficent because it is worth MORE and harder to remove.

Healing an AD carry who is caught might not help because they are so squishy they'll just die again. If thye have flash up it might be worth doing it, depending on the CDs used to catch them and the follow up.

Same goes for Shen ult.

Always Ult/Heal Vladimir if he's on your team. #1 guideline

Sorakas heal has a rather big built in armor buff though? (we are talking about soraka right?) and armor scales poorly past the point that tanky guys stop building it. Also, without seeing the math I'm doubting you are saving the most damage in the long run by healing the tank, even if the tank lives longer for it? (still a newb so feel free to rip my arguments apart)

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I think if you can stay in lane long enough to just get a BF sword then you should just get a BF sword. Dorans blades help you early so if you are being more aggressive or are falling behind they are better. Thats my limited understanding anyway.

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Both of you [Knight of Cydonia and Nexus] need to calm down.

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As a newb, sometimes janna feels like shes just not doing anything when you are in lane with her. Though I geuss I'd expect better of a 1500 elo.

edit: especially vs a leona and not a more traditional support.

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We should take bets on how many times more she has. I'm going with 4.8

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Early projections have it at 4.78 .

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4.519 early projections had my hopes up.

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This is my challenge to you to be more sportsmanlike:


I don't know if anyone has ever gotten a +5 honorable opponent, my guess is there's always the one bitter guy you stomped out, but this is the next best thing. I just don't know WHAT I could have said to not get a single honorable opponent.. maybe they were just in a hurry to get on to their next game, and forgot to click!

I am a shining beacon of sportsmanship, a veritable pillar of the community. Are you putting your best foot forward on the fields of justice?

I get 0 honorable opponent's the majority of the time. And I'm never a dick (I just normally don't speak at all).

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People in starcraft club here do sometimes.
so I just got game.
I know like close to nothing though.

Whats your handle?

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Looking for someone to duo queue with consistently. I'm kind of poop, so I don't care how good you are right now as long as you have the drive to better yourself, and aren't a dick.

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They are asking who your main is, but don't worry, I wont tell.

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I wonder where I land.

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8 per minute is the benchmark I'm trying to hit for solo lanes.

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There are also times you should miss minions, like you'd get out poked, or you went back to buy, or you are reacting to your junglers invade, or being invaded.

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At any point in the game one or the other is better suited to be aggressive, so you likely just need to know the matchup and which you are, and play aggressively accordingly.

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You can't free farm that lane as jax or you get harassed to hell. I've been told jax should win it, but I've been destroyed as jax multiple times.

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Am I the only one finding games consistently break 40mins post patch?

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Its not that armor reduction has a cap, its that BCs apply a stack to enemies that is unique. Multiples will make it apply faster but it doesn't apply multiple stacks. They stack up to 4 at 7.5% each for a total of 30%, with lastwhisper too you get up to a total of 58% armor pen because of the way they stack.

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Needed to happen, stacking them was way too good.

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As an AD carry I've been working on CSing and was working on prioritizing taking objectives over chasing kills. I'm not going to say I've perfected either of those things yet but I no longer think either is my weakest attribute. I have some amount of trouble knowing how I should be behaving in team fights. I understand its going to be different depending on every team comp, but I was wondering if anyone had good questions to ask ones self when considering ones behavior? I'm naturally pretty flighty in team fights as adc, trying to stay on the outside, but I don't know when that's the right call vs diving on their adc, and often get punished on both sides of wrong calls in that regard. What metrics should I be considering given relatively even team strength? Number of stuns their team has? How well their adc can escape? Relative strength of poke? I don't even really know and would appreciate the help.

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if everyone is yelling focus the vayne, do you just ignore it and keep shooting the enemy front line?

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Also, how about earlier team fights (Like lvl 11) where you can't shred tanks easily yet.

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They are in like 1900 elo so~

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I've come to the conclusion that my technical play sucks balls. I have a decent theoretical understanding just from watching streams and etc, but I always have issues executing things as I envision them happening in my head. I think I want to 1v1 custom game with someone on a pretty regular bases to work on this.

If anyone wants to help me with that, or if anyone has any better ideas on how I can improve my technical play, let yourself be heard.

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It works when one of the 2 people in lane can't dodge spears well (like me).

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Armour isn't even that effective vs Darius anyway. He does mostly physical damage, but does enough magic damage and true damage to undermine the effect of stacking armour like that.

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Cut it out guys.

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Ank <3

Also, what does one do vs an Elise top pick?
What picks are good vs and what are good strategies.
I just got rolled and I'm kind of at a loss since I don't play a lot of toplane.

Elise tends to roll people in lane. I'm sure some champs have favourable match ups, I don't know them. Just roam, don't feed, and pick champions with a better team fight cause hers is poop.

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I was told by one of my ex-teammates that Flash+Pot+Ward or 9Pots+2Wards were good starting setups. Opinions?

EDIT: Amending by stating that multiple people have stated this, but the guy mentioned above is the primary one.

I don't know how good the newer flask is. I've seen mids and tops,mostly mids, go 11 pot + 1 ward to fine effect. I think its match-up dependent, better in ones were trading aggressively is what the other person wants to do, because it really limits their ability to do it effectively.

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ok so I drew Ezreal as a man today for no apparent reason

With no offense intended, your art style really doesn't suit trying to make people look like manly men.

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I have a level 8(?) smurf. I added you on my main account just now. If you're on later, I could smurf a few (I added you on my main account for now because I'm never on my smurf except to play with lower level people).

I already had you but other than that, same as DRK. Only go on my smurf to play with low levels generally.

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1. use OBS if your computer can't handle xsplit
2. know your speedtest info, build your stream around it
3. sound mix properly so your stream doesn't sound like ass (poor sound quality #1 reason to not watch a stream)

Hey JDodge I followed your advice and set up OBS but it seems like it actually has a (much) bigger resource footprint than xsplit, also it seems less user-friendly for a computer noob like me. Are there some quick and easy settings you could throw my way? What do you think the smallest acceptable upload speed is?

For good quality you need like 3megabits up, you can get passable with like 1megabit.

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Syndra has a pretty high skill floor for proficiency. Explains why you don't see so many people play her and a meh win rate.

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Man.

I don't know what is wrong with people. That's two games in a row that someone with a name akin to xXxBLOWDATKUSHxXx420 has refused to talk pre-game, locked something, fed, then when I try to be

constructive

(saying things like "If you get below 20% HP and the lane is pushed, you should just go back to heal up and buy instead of sticking around" and "Hey Varus, don't go that far out without wards, we don't know where the jungler is") they go off the deep end like some fucking lunatic and start trolling/feeding on purpose. I don't fucking get it. It's always on my team, too.

It's really disheartening. I've tried to stop raging at people and turn that into something constructive, I've tried to play all roles to accommodate my team, I buy wards for laners who refuse to buy wards, I don't flip out on a laner who is pinging nonstop going OMG JUNGLER GANK PLZ NOOB and actually try to help them instead... I honestly believe I'm doing all the right things and I'm just getting FUCKED because of it. It's awful -- after many games of having none of that, my past 6-8 games in a row have had people like that on my team, and now I'm all the way back down to Bronze II. I don't know what to do, it's really, really depressing. I honestly was in the process of uninstalling LoL after that last game because it has just broken my spirit.

Don't play ranked with the goal of increasing your standing. Play with the goal of bettering yourself and an increased standing should come with it in the long run. Even if you are doing more right than your team mates, you are still making mistakes somewhere. If you think you aren't, wait a few days and then watch a replay. I think you'll be surprised at how bad some of the plays you make look in hindsight.

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Edit: Can someone explain to a shitbox scrub why we're all autobanning blitz? He doesn't seem to have anything other than his q to validate the hate, and his q isn't that awesome, really.

He's definitely banned more often than he should be, particularly because Thresh is a better version of him. In general, though, he's banned a lot in low-Elo because that hook changes games. If you miss your first 9 hooks, then land 1, you might very well win lane off that hook. If your team is down 10k+ gold in the teamfighting phase, you land a hook and get an easy 4v5 teamfight win. On the other hand, if you don't ever change the game with your hook, you're not really doing much.

His ratios are also actually ridiculous. But its mostly the dynamic of the hook changing how you have to play against him during the laning phase(when compared to the majority of adc + support bot lanes).

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buttons and nuwen too, at 5:02.

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'Scummoners'

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At least you have that many rune pages? I have 3.

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I'm thinking of trying to get a team together. Will probably have a couple of my Canadian friends on it, but I'll probably need a few others too, so if you are at all interested send me a PM.

Looking mostly for a group that will get along, will worry about positions after we have that.

(include when you are free to play on the average week).

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...Getting a tad personal attack-y there.
That said, I completely agree with you. (In spite of the hypocrisy that entails)

On a less on topic front, I picked up Ezreal, and have found him incredibly difficult to lose with. What should I be looking out for?

Really long games.

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Typically bt or bork. Hydra isn't used on many champions.

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I think he was saying that its hard to get better (which I agree with) You often get punished for bad choices a while after making them, which can make tracing the causation difficult.

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Full dive comps can work in aram as long as you manage to coordinate everyone somehow.

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... You can't dodge nunu iceballs.

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I've been seeing far more ribbons recently, so I think they did, yes.

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/in.

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First come first serve seems most fair if we can't reach an even multiple of 5.

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That match was amazing.
Also we didn't ban anyone.

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how did you win....

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so the 5 days before aren't an option?

I can't possibly play ~20 games between then and now. Not remotely an option for me. If this is the goal I need to be replaced.

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Most streams play music to hide bad audio quality.

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I think we were waiting for balto meet to end (ie the 6th).

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My winrate in ranked is ridiculous. Higher than any gold player on my list.

This doesn't really mean much.

It means I win more often. In order for me to get gold, I'm gonna need around a 60% winrate. Saint Vicious has a 60% win rate.

He has a 60% win rate against much better players.

TL;DR: a non ~50% win rate should correlate with you moving up or down, everyone should stabilize at 50% once they hit where they are supposed to be.

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@Panzer, yep, same with Kayle's righteous fury, probably the same with Nidalee's Cougar Form though I haven't tested it.

Unless they changed kayle since season 3 first started, she was in the odd place of having a very long range melee attack when she used her skill, she never technically became ranged.

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Wave comes every 15s
Each wave has three melee, three caster minions
Every third wave has a cannon minion

Normal: 6, cannon wave: 7

Its every 30 seconds.

If you get 5 per wave, then at 20 minutes you have seen about 36 waves given travel time for a total of 180 CS, which I believe is like diamond level if you can do it in actual matches.

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If you need me to make an even number, I'd play, but my heart isn't in it.

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/still willing to play if you need me to make team numbers work.

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If I quickly put together a form where people could anonymously rank everyone in the tournament, and then it just tried to put together lists that way, would that work? or do you guys want to use your man made lists? My way is far more work on me and has the downside of potentially pooling people in the same role.

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chamber idk how we can epect anyone here to judge everyones skill level

so i dont see how its more accurate

just make random teams and make sure htye aren't stupid (me and best annie na on same team)

I've played the the majority of the people on the list. I assume there are others that have too. Any one of us may have flawed opinions but the aggregate should be somewhat right? It just may be more work than its worth.

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people still refuse to believe runic/aegis don't stack. even when we have both on the team and they're standing in the middle with 1 buff.

It really doesn't need to "stack" to be worth it. For the stats that it gives at that cost there is absolutely nothing wrong with 2 people having it.
There is a reason they are removing it from the game.

Also just a reminder that aura items do stack for the owner of the item.

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Someone get on aim or sitechat and I'll try to power through making teams with you, not doing this alone though.

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First public attempt.

Team 1:
ankamius
EpsilonAlpha
sandwichessss
SawpSons
llmarable

Team 2:
Chamber
Reicko
rc
elmoTehAzian
Kdowns

Team 3:
UristMcMagma
tatetothetot
SuperStag
GammaGooey
Mykonian

Team 4:
AD Feixiang
Mr Zephyr
dramonic
TehBrawlGuy
badscience

Team 5:
AudioTsunami
RayFrost
Atlantica
FallenDeamon
Reck

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Also the list is

Adc
Support
Mid
Top
Jungle

unless Chamber changed it on me xD

Top and jungle were done pretty interchangably. And I mean, teams can choose their own comps, I was just trying to put them together based on most played roles/what I knew of their preferences. Also some may have gotten disordered when I resorted some things for balance.

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I may have typoed yes.

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Oh hi I forgot that I unbookmarked this thread because it was giving me brain cancer

The teams seem fairly ok to me, looking forward to

winning

playing against team 5 (if only my team had a buttons...)

whats RCs LoL name?
Also since when is staeg a mid?

The characters I play now are mids as much as they are tops, so yeah

I didn't count him as a mid. I just reshuffled some last minute players and ordering was lost. I had him as a top.

DN was the 'mid' for that team with everyone else moved down one. I mean, again, that was just for me making the teams, teams can stillchange thier postions if they so choose.

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I did the teams someone else can do the scheduling.

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MrZepher looking at my friends list?

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I'm on and home.

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is jungle karma actually a thing? wat.

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Did I change some option to stop it from sorting my friends list by ingame/not in game, or is that just the patch?

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I'm really bad at supporting and I don't really know why. My win rate as support, in bronze, is like 1/8 or something ridiculous, but while I'm playing the role I feel like I'm doing everything that I know to be right, which just means my understanding of what supports actually need to be doing must be critically flawed.

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I mean sometimes I just lose the lane because me and my adc have no communication skills. But often I'll ward well during the laning phase, and get my adc kills, and then just feel useless past the point laning ends I guess.

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Don't die a lot.

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Practice with bots and stuff, find the champ you feel most at home with and hit them hard

Don't do this.

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, but who wants to play with a track ball?

TBM.

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should someone be given OP editing powers?

Hito made a new thread like a year back then just never got it going properly. Thats still probably the better option.

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other than having a 1000 page thread, is there any reason that's the superior option?

Mostly just the thread size.

A lot of stuff just isn't that relevant anymore too. With new patches, over several years, the old info in the thread would be completely dated.

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lulu is the same species as teemo.

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better ping

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at the start of the next season are you placed back in the division you were in or do you start over?

They've never done a reset while the league system was in place. In previous season ELOs were heavily compressed for the new season, with new placement matches. They will likely do something similar this time, with new placement matches and some sort of weighted placement given previous tier.

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Support: For soloq it's a bit different than other things. Lulu, leona, and sona are extremely impactful in soloq.

I can't find who this advice is for, so I'll just say: I HATE HATE HATE laning with leonas at my level of play (bronze II). Its not that leona is bad, its that she requires more cooridination than I'm used to having. (you know, cause she has to hard commit so if you aren't ready to follow, she loses half her hp for free).

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Its a game. Let people play with their friends?

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Fuck saki I agree with you so much
>be me
>taking first turret at top
>garen bitches because you're pushing lane

But but I'm taking a turret yo

In soloQ taking the tower isn't always the play (depending on the point in the game). You need to actually be reasonably coordinated to use the freed up laner, or he'll lose out in the long run from missed cs.

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This is actually never true. Taking a tower is always the right play. especially if you can get it as the wave starts pushing back towards your towers and freeze the lane so they have even further to walk to safety, then they can not farm safely and you can. But yeah, taking a turret is the right call literally 100% of the time.

You are wrong. I'm willing to concede its always(or more likely just an overwhelming majority) the right play if they know how to play it properly, but if you are the jungler you have no guarantee that that player knows how to handle themselves properly with an early tower being taken. You do know that they are likely winning their lane if they are in the position to take their tower that early though. Prolonging the laning phase is therefore likely to be good for them. Its possible that ending it early is better, but it could also be awful, do you want to roll those dice? Do you know who would know if they are comfortable being without the enemy tower that early or not? Them. If they are telling you not to take the tower, don't.

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i mean if you're a big tank that doesn't do much damage, you won't kill that many people.

Building more than a little tanky on tryndamere sounds pretty odd an ineffective to me. You use his ult to live through the team fight and do damage, not tankyness. He also has no really effective CC, which means that if you just build tanky you are very easy to straight-up ignore.

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I tried to play twice before actually sticking with it. The first time, I can only match dates because I don't remember and think it would be Leblanc or Lux. The 2nd time was Oriana and the time I actually stuck with it was Varus.

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passives on duplicate items stack as long as they aren't unique passives or passives with the same name.

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oh, don't worry, I've seen them all. It's no different in other leagues. I consider it a moral victory if I yell "hello" quicker then the guy calling the sololane. There's a reason I've been less then enthusiastic about normal games in this thread. You can't expect an average group of random lol players to sit together in a room for 2 minutes and succeed in finding a role distribution that everybody agrees on.

isn't there role based queueing planed for s4?

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Solo Queue Win/Loss for some big names. This lets me feel better about losses.

The mmr system is constantly pairing you against people about as good as you, which means everyone's winrate will settle around 50% unless there is just no one as good as them.

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Did nami in 1 for all, the team fights of oh that person is in front and taking all the harass lets all w them and full heal/kill someone else, or oh you landed a bubble, lets chain bubbles until they are dead, or look 3 tidal waves. All so silly.

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if you're at the point where the extra MR is hitting diminishing returns

At what point does MR hit diminishing returns? (hint: it doesn't)

At the point where HP gives you more effective tankyness for cheaper.

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(11:05:41 AM) blargerer: that simplified one is a lot more usable yeah
(11:07:24 AM) blargerer: 100 armor = 1520hp 200 armor = 2280 300 armor = 3040 400 armor = 3800
(11:07:27 AM) blargerer: good to know
(11:07:39 AM) themykonian:
(11:07:48 AM) themykonian: the other thing is harder then I thought it to be.
(11:07:54 AM) themykonian: the ideal ratio one.
(11:07:57 AM) blargerer: well
(11:08:01 AM) blargerer: there is no ideal ratio
(11:08:05 AM) blargerer: according to your math
(11:08:18 AM) themykonian: the 760 in that formula makes it a curve, yes
(11:08:46 AM) blargerer: but an approximate one for values of HP that actually get seen by people who build hp an armor
(11:08:48 AM) blargerer: seems to be 1:10
(11:09:45 AM) themykonian: I just don´t dare to post that because I´ll be wording it awkwardly and there are mathematicians in this thread

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I think nasus support might be a thing now. But I'm also awful.

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Nasus needs q farm, q cd is shorter than relic shield cd (which is getting upped to 60 seconds, which makes this even more true). It wouldn't work out.

60 seconds would be too much. Unfortunate.

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I mean people say garen sucks but

Who says that? I think hes respected as a solid top lane choice atm? In solo queue at least.

Edit: I mean tbf I think thats mostly as a Riven counter whos popular on her own merits atm but~.

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Umm, I had a thought but haven't actually tried it out.

Zyra top.

Yes/No?

Why?


I think most mids probably have potential as top laners too, but you have to have a reason for it.

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I think cdr blues might be better than mr blues on a lot of tops.

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Soraka is fairly unique, perhaps sona.

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Oh, wow, Taric really is good again.

BRB gaining elo

Yep

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Oh, wow, Taric really is good again.

BRB gaining elo

Yep

Just tried this. Holy shit. That burst

Its not even burst. Once you get your frozen first and frozen heart, your cool downs are low enough that if you weave autos between your abilities they are all like 4-5 second cool downs.

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God, I remember how I hate new champ day. People instalocking it then feeding 6 kills in the first ten minutes

tbf yasuo looks like one of the least intuitive/hard to play champs that they've released.

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I think reck played some games with a well known pro?

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Reck has played with Lautemortis

I think JD played with Guardsman Bob at one point a while back.

I watched that live, if you mean the one that happened before I started playing really, so like 2 years ago. I think graves was just released.

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Hello friends,
I've been spending lots of time with a big pile of friends and fuckos in the magical lands of bronze 5 and sometimes 4, and in an effort to help them improve, I'm trying to put words to the 3 basic principles of laning: initiative, positioning, and trading.
I'm curious what finally "clicked" for you when you realized and understood the basics of how to initiate, complete, and withdraw from an effective trade in lane. For our purposes, an "effective trade" is going to consist of using at least one active ability, and reaching a neutral point with less hp lost than the other guy. Was it mainly memorizing ability damage and cooldowns? Forcibly reminding yourself on every single cs to move into position to harass when the opponent last hits? Playing a dumby champ like Nasus or Garen and just soaking up tons of damage while you heal it up? Whatever it is you first realized and had the epiphany in a blinding flash of the obvious that taking less damage than your opponent is good, I want to hear it. If you don't want to reply in the thread you can inbox me. Thanks

PS- I just compiled a guide for the #1 choice for anyone who is trying to learn mid. http://www.lolking.net/guides/223684

PPS- There are only two types of showdown players: guys who pick Riven/Lee and insist on a game less than 90 seconds (awesome! fun!) and guys who pick Caitlyn/Ezreal and take you hostage for a 10 min cs grindfest (assholes! do not understand what fun is!)

As a bit of a fucko myself that still often looses trades I can only say that for me, having played the exact match up a couple of times before makes a world of a difference. And I think this comes down to understanding how both of your game plans for the lane interact and therefore knowing from experience how you need to change yours to accommodate. I'm sure better players could adapt with only a theoretical understanding of the match-up, I'm not one of them. How your cooldowns compare to theirs is part of this, but also things like whether you need to be mana taxing them, or which abilities to use in response to which of theirs.


edit: how their range compares to yours. the speed of their projectiles and your reaction time, so you know how far away you need to stand to react in time.

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http://wardscore.enigmasm.com/?name=blargerer&region=na

apparently I ward enough as a support, but thats about it.

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Riven does have a pretty high skill cap. Her skill floor isn't that high though and she can obviously get really big. TL:DR: their riven might be good.

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The leagues systems inner workings confuses me. I felt like I easily could have skipped any of bronze 3-1, but now I skip silver 4, when I think that's much closer to (if not) my appropriate placement.

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Can't gift with IP. The problem is that some people buy enough champs and play enough that they have a shit ton of IP thats effectively useless, hundreds of thousands. It would all get flooded in if you could gift with IP.

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Smart casting will always be player preference, i personally prefer that i can line skill shots up first then have them instant cast, and any accurate casts i want to have full accuracy over rather then do it quickly.

If you watch basically any really high elo streams, they always do both, depending on whether they need more speed or more accuracy/

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meh, I think smart casting is way better outside a few niche moves(Rumble R, Veiger E). It's pretty easy to shoot something where you aim it.

I exclusively smart cast too. But, mostly because I haven't developed the mechanical skill needed to effectively toggle between the usage of both.

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Teach me how to smart cast.

There is a default key binding for it, I think like ctrl q ctril w etc. But I changed the defaults so long ago that I'm not sure.

Most people just rebind smartcasting to q w e and r
Don't forget to do it with your items too.

The difference is that when you smart cast, you only press the button, you don't press it, get a range indicator then click again to confirm.

To change your key bindings go into the options menu in game, pretty easy to find.

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try flushing your dns.

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Had the same problem couple of weeks ago.

Update (or delete and reinstall) your video/sound card and it should be fixed

My network card crashing normally causes this for me~

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The best junglers right now are carry junglers. The best tops right now are tanks. Supports have enough money to go off tank or pretty heavy ap. The meta has moved away from tank/support junglers.

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The best junglers right now are carry junglers. The best tops right now are tanks. Supports have enough money to go off tank or pretty heavy ap. The meta has moved away from tank/support junglers.

What would you classify as a carry jungler or a tank top?
Been a while since I've really been invested in this game.

Vi and Kha'zix are probably the 2 best junglers atm. Mundo Shiv and Renekton are probably the three best tops?

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Best tops have to include the big dog Nasus
Also, Evelynn is incredibly good right now in jungle

Nasus is fine at our level. He tends to get shit on at higher levels.

I did forget eve just because shes always banned.

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No love for Riven?

Is that carry vi or tank vi?

Riven is more of a mid?

Carry Vi, but you can off tank if you need to.

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Nasus shit? Hit q... its simple, 2 shot adc's and build tanky.

Lose lane? How you regen np.. Even if you do.. build tanky drag game hit q 50 mins win gg.

Nasus is mindnumbingly simple to play and really strong.

These things are all true at our level, yeah.

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Oh. Don't buy runes until 30. Tier 2 runes are literally a waste of IP.

You can use tier 3s at 20.

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ADC's CAN mid(I'm not sure I suggest it still), but, I don't think twitch is the ADC you want to be midding with. Lucian is the one I've seen mid most often.

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I mean, the main reason to run an ADC mid is to be a lane bully against their mid choice. Which is why you want to be taking an adc like Lucian and not one like Twitch.

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so i went to play a nice unranked draft thinking it could be fun
first pick locks garen k thats cool, as 2nd pick I grab nidalee, planing to go mid, someone else locks anivia so I say ok fine np I'll support, carry is last to pick, against soraka/ashe locks in master yi, feeds first 2nd third and fourth blood, I pick up 4 kills and then just start fcking taking cs

meanwhile by the time i got everyone to surrender at 30 minutes, garen vs renekton top has 75 cs to 200.

Sigh

Welcome to league of legends!

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You start with way more health than resistances relative to the numbers you should be aiming for.

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You're good enough to get out of silver quickly as long as you place relatively high silver.

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Played my first game in several months. Learned that fed doom bots are scary shit. Got crushed.

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viktor support

Is this an actual thing now?

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I wasn't trying to make fun of him. I just really wanted it to be a thing. It sounded sweet.

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what does that mean? season for what? what happens when a season changes?

They release small changes and new champions throughout the year, but every year they tend to make larger changes at the season reset, which is also when your ranking resets and when the pro stuff starts over. S2 looked very different from the current S4.

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I don't use item sets, because I learned everything's build path from before item sets were a thing and can navigate all items through the default menu as a result.

I assume nearly everyone here will answer this way as well.

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Underworld TF

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I don't believe there is any active will against it. The plan 2ish years ago when I was actually involved in the backend was for hito to create a season 3 thread and go from there, hito created the thread but then more or less flaked before season 3 actually started so it remained locked.

I'm sure if you ask again they'll oblige in some way.

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I don't believe there is any active will against it. The plan 2ish years ago when I was actually involved in the backend was for hito to create a season 3 thread and go from there, hito created the thread but then more or less flaked before season 3 actually started so it remained locked.

I'm sure if you ask again they'll oblige in some way.

I want to say chamber was the one who gave me the SC2 frontpage.

The context was that I asked if a mod could edit ReaperCharlie OP and they were like "nah, you do it."

I believe it was me, yes. And although I still have the ability to do that, I no longer have the authority so you will need to run it through the discussion mods.

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New patching screen is way better.

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You can also pick champs with strong initiations, people aren't going to just not follow up a malphite ult that hits multiple people.

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I haven't looked in a while but 4 IE used to do more damage than any other 4 items, it's just normally an unattainably expensive build. If you were sitting on enough money it's possible you could have sold into it.

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Dark shield like hard counters leona's whole kit.

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You can pretty safely go down to like 3 mains for any given role.

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Meteos is like a jungle god, just because he can do something doesn't mean its a good idea.

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What's everyone's thoughts on surrendering in normals? I get very frustrated when I surrender and people don't agree. When I'm surrendering in a normal it's generally because I'm having an awful time. I play normals to have fun, winning is a goal, but its not -the- goal, having fun is. When people say things like 'we could still win' it makes little sense to me. I posit that in normals, when someone surrenders you should assume they are having an awful time, and only vote no if you feel everyone else on your team is having a good enough time to cause a net positive. Whether you can win 1% or 10% of the time or not shouldn't even really be in the consideration.

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It absolutely is part of the consideration.

It's a part of it because it helps inform whether you and your team is having fun, sure. You are having more fun than they are miserable? Sure. But just 'we can still maybe win this so keep playing even though I'm completely neutral(or maybe even quite frustrated myself based on things I'm saying) atm and you are miserable', and I see that a -lot-, is horse crap imo.

I've been in games where one guy shat the bed and and wants to surrender at 20 but everyone else is doing well, I don't expect everyone to surrender for him there. I'm just saying the focus should be on how much net fun that game is generating for your team, and someone voting to surrender is a pretty good sign that that amount is very negative for them. Consider that before you vote.

The only consideration being whether you want the game to end or not is lopsided because you need an 80% super majority to end the game.

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I'm not going to play the utilitarian game during the middle of my LoL experience.

The timer is quite long, you can likely find a moment of down time to give it a moment of thought.

It requires a super majority for a reason. The assumption you should make is that you should play the game to the end unless all but one person decides they don't want to do so.

This is a statement there is no reasoning here. I've never done it, but ultimately it is every players choice to keep playing. I think in the future I may just AFK if I'm miserable and a surrender vote fails.

If the game being played to its completion makes you miserable, don't play the game.

It happens an extreme minority of the time. This is a very strange false dichotomy.

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I would expect to be reported for it. Again, it happens an extreme minority of the time so I wouldn't expect to face any consequences for doing it.

Your graph means nothing to me. You turned a game around, yes. My entire argument is that its a game and how much fun the players are having is what ultimately matters.

Between all play modes I think I've played somewhere around 1800 games of league. I can only think of a handful of experiences where I was both miserable and the rest of the team didn't agree to surrender. <1% of total games likely.

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teemo

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If you are going to build ap on non ap champs you need to at least build lichbane.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends. ... 7/34315756

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Manamune seems highly irregular on sona. So does lichbane on support sona, but he had enough money to justify that one more.

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It has like 0 direct references to lol in the song. If it weren't from the music video and a couple lines at the intro it could be about nearly anything, and those lines just make it clear its about a game.

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It has like 0 direct references to lol in the song. If it weren't from the music video and a couple lines at the intro it could be about nearly anything, and those lines just make it clear its about a game.

I agree with this. They should have put about 5 different characters in the song to guarantee people who don't play LoL (95% of people, then) will think it's weird and unplayable, make it lose any potential value it has for being played on ads/radio stations because it's so blatantly for LoL, damage the band's reputation and WHAT ARE YOU THINKING WHY WOULD THEY POSSIBLY DO THIS

I'm sorry, but they're trying to make a damn living too.

Queen, a band I think anyone would be hard pressed to call unsuccessful, made 2 movie sound tracks, with references that were way more direct imo. It doesn't need to scream lol, but if I had listened to this without knowing it was made for lol I would have never made the connection, and I think that's shit.

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Place some wards before item locking yourself, hope you have enough to finish it the next time you are back.
Or, watch how much gold you have and know how much things cost, add some wards + red pots to the cost and go back when you have that number, not just randomly.

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i'm KittyMaster9000

No you aren't. (log in names are separate from the name everyone else sees.)

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i'm KittyMaster9000

No you aren't. (log in names are separate from the name everyone else sees.)

which is a stupid policy.

It's a common tool to mitigate account hacking.

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oh my gosh you don't think i

know

my own name?

how

dare

you

I tired to add you and it said you didn't exist, so yes.

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technically possible, probably unlikely. a little bit of "they can't play nice, why should we give them toys" kind of thing.

How many of the users in the thread cross the line of indecency? This is one of the worst reasons for a policy I've heard from MS.

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But you didn't make up that reasoning on the spot. It's something that's actually been thrown around as a reason not to do it on the back end, based on how you said it. And that is positively ridiculous.

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Apathy and too much ambition are the reasons things don't get done. I don't believe that you'd jump to that reason without some support for it in what you've seen back end.

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But even going 0-12-1 doesn't mean the guy intentionally fed the other team.

In anywhere besides bronze it really does mean that.

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If top lane is your worst role, just don't play it. You might not always be able to get your best role, but you can usually avoid a role like mid or top.

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that's Robin Hood.

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ZILEAN is more popular than TARIC? wtf happened to ranked while I was gone.

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yeah i had the same issue. probably stuck with it until level 15 or so, which only hurt me. Now it's pretty natural, though I'm still not great at viewing other lanes with regularity.

Interestingly enough I feel like starting on free camera has hurt me to some extent because I can't stand holding down space to get the fixed camera effect, but I see enough streamers do it that I'm pretty sure it's proper play.

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It's a visual update, nothing about the map layout is changing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_N4WpqH5o

I thought they said there were going to be some minor map changes too. I don't remember where I heard that though. Could easily be misinformation.

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I think I actually heard jungle changes now that I'm trying to remember the details.

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Skill orders make more sense on some champions than others. Udyr is really one of the others. Level what you need.

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It balances for smurfs pretty fast. I played like 4 games on my smurf before everyone on the enemy team had flash and I was still level 4 or w/e.

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If you play ranked with the intention of improving your rank you are just going to generally have a bad time. Play with the intention of getting better at the game and your rank will naturally improve over time/

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though there's little reason why a bot lane couldn't go top and vice versa except other teams do the same thing so you'll end up with 2v1s on both sides of the map

Having 3 people by dragon instead of 4 is a huge disadvantage in the early game.

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k thanks. I was thinking about how magical the programming is that flips the map for the other team.

The map isn't flipped for the other team. When playing vs bots you are always blue. If you play vs humans you will sometimes be purple and come from the other side of the map.

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How soon did all y'all transition to normal PvP games?

Playing bot games wont really prepare you much at all for PvP, just jump into it as soon as you can.

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I think it's useful to get to know champions though. I don't want to detriment anyone else's games until I actually understand what I'm doing. Like when champion pick is going on I have to slowly look at what everyone else has picked so far and determine what is needed because I'm not familiar with the champions in the slightest.

And yeah I see the reduced returns thing, but you have to play a certain amount of minutes which is quite a few games for me, and the Intro AI benefits don't reduce until you reach level 10.

Unless you do really well it's going to match you by level initially. Which means by playing bot games now you are going to likely be paired vs people with more experience against other players when you do jump in. That will be more detrimental than a lack of character knowledge.

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Cho'Gath's is a giant true damage nuke already.

It already has .7 scaling. That's like 1.4 or more when you consider it's true damage.

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I dunno

tanks have long cds and terrible scaling

for obvious reasons

amumu/ramus don't actually have bad scaling. Malphites scaling isn't so bad either, though worse than those 2. The reason they build tanky isn't because they can't scale, it's because when you are melee you need to be tanky.

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Ap gangplank?

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If you are fiddlesticks you need the close lanes to help you. You could pick a better dueling jungler in solo queue if you don't think you'll get the help.

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I mean I usually don't fear as Fiddles in solo queue because most heavy counterinvaders I can actually deal with... but Hecarim's E goes through Fiddles fear, so I found that out today the hard way.

I'm terrible at jungling, but I was under the impression that invading fiddle early and hard was the right way to jungle vs him.

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If anyone wants to form a team of silver players and do all the actual work of managing it, I'm willing to join.

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Twitch is one of those pub stomping champs that can murder your whole team if he gets enough ahead. He feels op when that happens but it shouldn't happen that often. Meh.

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Tierce Tierciel Silver III <-- Who added this to the doc?

Tierciel is someone I know IRL, They aren't a scummer. Whoever you are that added them, they are 100% not tierce. I'm assuming you added them when they played with me and got confused?

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This new friends of friends feature needs to die in hell.

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-Inhibitor Towers slowly ignore their targets armor from 40% to 100% over the course of 6.5 seconds.

what.

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The change to leveling confuses me. It would seem that reducing the importance of leveling would just lead to more passive lanes. I thought riot hated that.

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Voided, this is what happens at the beginning of

every

season. Huge chances come into play between each season to spice things up.

These changes are larger than the last 2 years imo.

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lack of mobility

Not having an escape is a pretty huge weakness. I like Varus mind you, I just don't think you can write it off as 'oh, he -only- lacks mobility'.

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Tristana, the one girl they'll actually never sexualize.

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I've been running scaling health yellows across the board, I heard that was supposed to be better after the armor yellow nerfs, am I doing it wrong?

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I thought they patched it so you couldn't drop out of gold anymore?

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If you have trouble landing viegars stun I'm going to assume it's because you are smart casting it.

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Thanks for the help everyone! It all just feels really complex right now and I'm not sure how much of it actually soaked in. :/

How do you guys not have trouble with items? As someone just starting out it feels like there are so many to choose from and in a RTS it makes me very frantic and panicky when I'm trying to choose the right one, which explains my terrible decisions tonight. :/

EDIT: also I apologize for not really giving any feedback. I think it was because most of the time I felt dumbstruck and couldn't really say much more than "OK" as I tried to do whatever I was told :/

At first it seems like there are a lot of choices. But most items are completely unviable on any given champion (outside of aram and troll builds at least).

It narrows down your effective choices a lot. If you are a bruiser(melee dpsy type) you are going to want one damaging item and then the rest tanky items normally. So you pick an AD or AP damaging item (based on your champion and situation) and then build tanky items based on who on their team is doing well and who you are laning against.

If you are a pure tank you just build tanky items.

If you are a Mage you mostly just build Offensive AP items(there are maybe a dozen which you are choosing from at this point etc).

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Why is there this misconception that Ryze is weak early game, I don't understand.

Because people build mana crystal on him or something and then he has no useful stats to their dorans item.

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Mana crystal if you can get away with it in your lane is right, but if you can't dorans shield or dorans ring are better.

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mana crystal is the correct start 98% of the time on ryze

In that you should probably only be picking ryze when it is the correct start, sure?

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That he wants past 20 minutes? You are right. That he needs to not get face rolled in the first 10 though, not as much.

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Here's a champion thats been perfectly fine in the past but doesn't fit into the current meta, lets fix that by making his damaging moves scale with HP?? (number of times this was done is silly).

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Question. What makes this fundamentally different from a Zed/Vayne/Jayce/Jax/Irelia splitpush? The fact that Shen's split is based off his tankiness instead of his ability to win 1v1s based off his abilities and mechanics?

Hell, what makes it different from, say, a Nasus splitpush, since Nasus regularly builds tanky as well. Or even from tanks who can also double as splitpushers?

Shen's ult lets him rejoin his team super efficiently if they get caught in a fight.

quadz beat me to it apparently, leaving this here anyway.

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Don't forget that mobi's are boots 1 when you're in combat, this makes chasing down people with them very difficult. Best on champions with hard CC so they don't need to chase past the initial engagement.

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That change was made mid season1. The vast majority of people will have never played with it like that.

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Just once I'd like to play a game where none of my teammates lose their lanes 0/5 and try to build pure damage afterwards.

This isn't a troll question, and isn't directed specifically at glork. If you get crushed in lane as ADC should you still be going for the normal path? Is it better to go for something that will spike earlier? should you be building defensively and just give up on damage for a while(but then I think you're useless).

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I just want gingerbread man singed.