LoL eSports Discussion

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They saw him for like .05 seconds and pinged that spot SO HARD.

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TRUNDLE'S BACK BABY.

Been wondering where he was with all the tank tops being so popular.

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Because half his threat comes as a slow splitpusher.

Think about it. He's not great in teamfights. He has to walk to something squishy to hit it, he brings only pillar for cc. I can think of better tanks in that case. On the other hand, he's one spectacular duelist, esspecially when it comes to melee champs. He can force engagements, his q makes him win duels, his ult makes him unbeatable in duels. When he can manage to survive for a little, he's simply unstoppable in slowly getting waves into a top turret, maybe get a hit on it. The point comes where he cannot be fought 1v1. Then, he's no shen, he can't leverage that pushed wave into an advantage elsewhere on the map. He would have to drag some other opponent top to manage that.

And toplaners already don't take towers quickly in general, pushing waves into a tower just to take down it's shield just neuters the threat entirely. The last time trundle came up, the meta was renek, shyv and mundo. They all had the same goal. Push wave into tower, win split push war. Typifying trundle as just a tankbuster is too simplistic, he countered lategame splitpushing tanks, he beat them at their game.

The tanks in meta lately (discounting shy here), are maokai, gnar, sion. Those are teamfight focussed tanks. You aren't hardcountering them, really. They don't play your game. So the easy way to win is to force them to duel you 1v1... which they don't want, they want to teamfight. And given the early dragon focus that was in meta, and the tower shields, their gameplan was a lot more viable.

The thing is, Trundle is fine in team fights vs. tanks in certain comps.

I'm surprised trundle-juggermaw with Lulu mid and a more carry support hasn't been done yet.

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GUYS XWX JUST BUILT NEEDLESSLY LARGE ON CORKI.

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GUYS IT'S AP CORKI

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R

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TEAM LIQUID BABY

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Either they're trying new stuff to try to get that bye or neither team is particularly afraid of TL...

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Who wants to do playoff brackets?

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The incarnation thing is real. Richard Lewis doesn't believe in April Fool's day.

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Thorin's video on why ROCCAT imploded is really good.

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Literally nothing changed. NA lcs too consistent

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Inbox back in the lcs!

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And here's the TL we were expecting all season.

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The curse is too fuckibg strong

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BY FAR

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1-0 VAYNE IN EU BABY

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It looks like Godgiven has fixed his champion pool depth issue (/decided to ignore Vayne being bad right now b/c she's actually probably his best champ). Yeah, his Graves/Lucian are probably worth banning because of how godly they are, but I don't think it completely shuts him down the way it did in Katowice.

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The most bannable people on SK are nRated and Fox. Fox on shit that isn't Zed or LB is pretty weak - dude can't really play mages.

nRated plays like, Lulu and Janna. Yeah...

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did you watch the UOL/SK series?

Yeah.

Forgiven was far from the reason SK lost that series - he looked pretty good on the Corkster.

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Wow I can't read.

Also, yeah, it's about marginal decrease. I think it may be worth more to move nRated from average to bad instead of Godgiven from God to very good.

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No matter what you pick/ban, Godgiven and Sven are going to be at least decent.

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And this is the Meteos that was once one of the best junglers in the world.

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It's pretty apparent how much success depends on management at this point.

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I hate myself whenever I find a Turk attractive :/

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Leaguepedia

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Fucking faker leblanc

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Ich is permanent

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SK not winning next split would be a massive failure on management's part

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Uh, so, about that fsn vs dig match.

Who would have thought kiwikid would be the MVP...

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Gamsu is the best player on dig. He's the only one who is top 5 in their position in na

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Completely unrelated to all of this:

Google's age-guessing algorithm thinks Jatt is 16.

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W/e. It still thought Jatt is 16, which is hilarious.

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Forgiven out of SK. Their management really dropped the ball on this...

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C9 is going to be scary. The big question is how much the shotcalling and macro play is going to worsen

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Actually c9 shotcalling could on average get better because hai wasn't really shotcalling when he was behind this last split

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That comp was amazing.

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Yup. Gambit now officially has the "fuck Turkey" bot lane.

The fact that I'm gonna be rooting for gambit this split in eu is also a bizarre turn from my days as a die hard clg.eu fan/m5 hater

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He's actually not, thought.

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Forgiven wanted out because of nrated. The SK org chose to keep nrated over forgiven.

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Also gambit is going to need a god of a coach to deal with Eddy, forgiven, and diamond

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Edward is back to gosu pepper.

Shit just got real

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Misfits had a bad set and Remilia takes community criticism harder than most. Her and RF both are going to need to get less prone to tilting if misfits are going to be in the lcs.

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History Teacher is the new head coach of T8.

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He's a substitute history teacher/bartender who made a video about why he was a good candidate for CLG's coaching opening.

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Holy shit Quas makes 100k/year.

He's 21.

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So quas is my age but makes a lot more money.

I'm jelly

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He's also really hot. I wish I were that hot

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Steve got dunked on.

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TL BABY

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It's also really satisfying watching Sneaky get dunked on.

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Im very not a C9 fan. I have incarnation in one of my leagues, but I'm against Sneaky. Plus in the MS league I'm against C9 team and could really use the 0pt C9 game that might actually happen here.

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Also I might win ms league despite starting Gosu Pepper over Adrian >.>

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Nope! I had 3 Gambit to his 2.

I thankfully just had the one who scored not horribly (<3 Godgiven).

Also I have Quas/Fenix/Rekkles/Rush ^_^

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Probably going to hold gambit team, though. Team slot matters relatively little and I expect them to be top 4 ultimately.

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i said shitty gambit players. Forgiven still had 26 points, which isn't good but also isn't super bad.

Fair. I don't think Forgiven will ever score under 20 points in a week, which is pretty safe.

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MS may be the only league where I don't break 300 points with my team week 1.

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I just need rush to do nothing to even have a chance to beat bro lol.

Now I'm regretting not starting Dom and Adrian real hard :/

Unlikely Altec will get the 30+ points again, but he could, and that's scary.

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Also NME keeping it close with TSM is really promising for NA. I think NME has some potential with how strong Flaresz/Innox/Otter are.

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Actually Gravity going big could fuck me over in 2 of my leagues. Im up by about 35 points in my MS league and another league, and the last players in both of those leagues that I'm up against are Altec and Keane, respectively.

Ironically, I'm running Bunny and Altec on my 3rd team but I've already won that match so it doesn't matter unless they somehow scored like -50 points together.

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I really just want Gravity to take a massive dump on TDK and end the game in like 25 minutes

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Lolol

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3-0 week 1 baby!

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Holy shit Fnatic's body language.

Huni and reignover were fucking pissed

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It's actually pretty good. By buddy played it a lot moving up to d1.

Also, woolite is looking good this game

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I want NA worlds reps to be TL, CLG, and TIP

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It's interesting that I'm much more confident calling who from eu will make worlds than NA

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Keane is going off holy shit.

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He's also on Ryze.

TL fucked pick ban by not picking Ryze and then picking rumble into Ryze.

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But yeah I'm looking forward to 1 to 2 years from now when hauntzer and flaresz hit their peaks because they are both going to be so fucking amazing

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Actually hauntzer is 20 already, holy shit.

Yeah next 2 years are when he's got to make an impact

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No

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It's always broken

in other news, giants are 4-1

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Fuck I'm against hjarnan. I least I have ryu

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And ryu outscored my hjarnan. Damn.

I don't think so?

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Hjarnan got over 40

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Last time he was seen was more than 2 years ago

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I will be somewhat pissed if I lose this week to BRO after this match and H2K's match.

Why? I have ryu to your hjarnan and I have rekkles

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I win it tl goes 2-0, basically.

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Ryu just got a quadra

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Also SK's coaching is crap.

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This game is going exactly the way i want it to.

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I love these team fights that result in 0 objectives.

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TDK management, 0/10

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Also I'm very happy to be a TL fan right now.

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Fuck I may lose my other leagues because TSM is so sloppy.

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Holy shit this game is HYPE.

TL and TIP are both playing amazing.

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"NA teams play a control, macro-oriented style."

Except TIP. TIP slaughters shit. TL's response is to slaughter shit back.

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Yeah Liquid is the best team in NA right now by a long shot.

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Ugh I'm losing one of my leagues, winning MS, and I need LiftLift to outscore Pobelter by 1.5 points to win my 3rd

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Dig's pick ban....


Holy shit. I think they out picked TIP with some cool picks

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Lol.

Glad I'm not against any dig players this week. They fucking went off with that dive comp

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I am so happy about how c9 is doing

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I CHALLENGE BROSEIDON TO AVATAR BET FOR TOMORROW'S GAME

DIG FANBOY VS LIQUID FANBOY

No?

Dig is actually playing well right now. I'd put it like 60:40 in TL's favor.

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And TSM pulls victory from defeat.

And C9 kinda fumbles against NME. Which is a team I feel C9 is still better than. Incarnation isn't fitting in very quickly.

C9's issue is that they aren't great in each position and don't have the shot calling to compensate.

Balls is a shell of his former self. He's 2 levels below impact/quad/flaresz and a level below Gamsu/Zion/hauntzer
Meteos is a level below rush/dom
Incarnation hasn't lived up to the hype in a region where most teams are good in the midlane (only tdk and dig are weak here, and let's be real tdk doesn't count)
Sneaky is top 3 in his position
Lemon is middle of the pack

Like, c9 needs the team play because they don't have loaded rosters the way TL, TSM, CLG, and TIP have, but they don't have the solid team play and shot calling that Gravity and Dig have been showing (and are weaker on average in each position than both of those teams)

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Frankly, it's hard to call who from NA is making worlds because TSM, CLG, TL, Dig, Gravity, and TIP all look really strong.

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Eu is just going to be fnatic, Origen, and h2k

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I'm liking the NA matches this week. TIP vs Dig was great

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I don't think UoL will make it. They haven't looked like they've been getting better, whereas h2k, Origen, and fnatic are all showing growth.

I think the dark horse picks in eu are giants and gambit, but id first bet that no dark horse gets it (by far).

Re: NA - TSM will likely get it on points. I don't think they're winning this split unless something changes, though. I'd put TL down as the favorite to win the split, but there's a good 6 teams right now that are all legitimate contenders.

TSM+TL+one of CLG/Gravity/Dig/TIP is probably the safest bet, but I wouldn't consider it that safe of a bet.

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Like, my prediction is that by the end of then split UoL will be 5th/6th.

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bunny flash hook miss,

It wasn't even close. It was like bronze tier hooks.

Game of throws all around, but somehow TSM had better map presence overall.

He was going for the madlife.

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Dig going to worlds is going to be a bit tougher because of last split. Here are the current point standings:

TSM: 90
c9:70
TL: 50
TIP: 30
Grav: 10
CLG: 10
Dig:0

If we assume that those teams minus c9 are the ones making the playoffs (seems pretty likely right now. NME looks like a clear 7th, c9 8th, and T8 9th), then there's a lot of shit that can happen, but at the end of the day:

1) Whichever of TL or TSM don't get the #2 seed are guaranteed a chance at the gauntlet (and this almost a null issue if one of them wins the split)
2) Dig doesn't get a chance at the gauntlet if they go out in the quarters. If they make the semis and either of CLG or Gravity go out in the quarters, they're good.
3) TIP going out in the quarters means that there's a chance that they wouldn't get a chance at the gauntlet. This would also require TL or TSM going out in the quarters, as any of Dig, CLG, or Gravity going out in the quarters automatically places them below TIP.
4) C9 is very likely going to get a chance because it'd be pretty hard for their 70 points not to put them in the top 4 once the two auto-seeds are determined.

Basically, Dig has to at least make the semis, and possibly do even better depending on how other results go to even have a shot at the gauntlet. If they don't win the split, they aren't getting auto-seeded in, so they'll have to fight for it (realistically, only TSM and TL are really competing for the auto-seed on most points at this point. If the current to 6 make the playoffs, TIP could also theoretically snag it, but that would require getting 2nd while TSM gets 5th/6th).

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HONEYMOON PERIOD

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Pretty sure final placement is based on playoff results, not regular season results

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TL just changed their logo on Facebook to a Pride version ^_^

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Well, we now know who's getting last in EU.

That was fucking brutal.

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No games happened, but go check out the league subreddit

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I feel super bad for Youngbuck/Airwaks/Unlimited.

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The tl;dr is:

There was a lot more going on behind the scenes with the Deficio ruling. Dentist (CW's coach) and CW's owner were trying to get Deficio to join as manager for S6. In addition, they wanted him to start talking to players as a bypass to the poaching rules (not really a bypass as much as offsetting culpability). The plan was basically "holy shit keep Freeze or get Rekkles/Forgiven for this split b/c if we don't then we're fucked, then drop Youngbuck/Airwaks/Unlimited/maybe Soren at the end of the split and build a super team for S6." There were also plans about how they were going to raise revenues in there, some of which kind of fucked over the current roster (CW signed a streaming deal with Azubu and then misrepresented the terms to the players in negotiating their cut being the big one). Also the shady-ass selling of CW Academy was part of this raising of funds.

So yeah, Airwaks and Youngbuck are out, would be very unsurprised to see Unlimited step down in the following few weeks.

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http://na.lolesports.com/articles/compe ... ris-badawi

LOLOLOLOLOL

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Montecristo spoke super highly of Badawi in his AMA last week.

And then this shit comes out.

lololol

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Rekkles was off this week

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He's really fucking good

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So they have their real roster now...

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Hyllisang is the best player on UoL by far. That's not even a question - Vardags would look so bad without him.

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Yay bans lost vs TL!

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LoL has a pretty machismo culture, but it could be way worse. It could be a fighting game.

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So happy TL won that. That was not great early

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Also Fenix showing that he's a top tier midlaner and quas showing how to stay relevant when you're way down was pretty swag.

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GP glaive+Shiv+IE+Luden's is actually a workable thing? I mean, it all SOUNDS like it does thanks to Parrrley, but...

Yeah, it's a thing. Wouldn't expect it to be used in pro play, but as a semi-serious build in solo queue, totally.

You have really strong 1v1 power and splitpush speed, and your poke to set up team fights is decent.

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...How the fuck did CLG lose that?!

The tilt is real...

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B) don't know how to play against that much poke (and nobody does).

In all fairness, this is really, really hard for most pro teams.

This goes back to the days of AP Nidalee. Poke is generally too strong in most metas, and it's hard to play against because you can't be risk averse vs. it while pro teams are generally risk averse.

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Also, AP ez seems kinda silly.

Not really.

It only seems "silly" because it's new and teams don't know how to play against it.

A smart team will pick up a strong pick right away and win games with it, but an even smarter team will think of counters and bait teams into picking the strong pick, which is what gravity just demonstrated beautifully.

No, AP Ez is OP right now. It's consistently the #1 damage champ vs. champions in pro play, even when the team with the AP Ez is behind.

It's not toxic that it exists (like AP Nidalee was), but it needs t have it's damage toned down a bit (maybe 10%). Gravity literally built a team around countering it vs. TSM, and when the counter to a single champ is "build your team to counter that champ and hope that the rest of their team doesn't really do anything," then you know that champ is OP.

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That said, Gravity is definitely the pro team that's the most creative with pick/bans and team comps. Keane's champ pool is a huge boon here, since he probably has the broadest champ pool of any pro midlaner right now (other than Faker because lol Faker)

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I'm okay with this development.

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It's not toxic that it exists (like AP Nidalee was), but it needs t have it's damage toned down a bit (maybe 10%). Gravity literally built a team around countering it vs. TSM, and when the counter to a single champ is "build your team to counter that champ and hope that the rest of their team doesn't really do anything," then you know that champ is OP.

Why was AP Nid toxic? I mean, I get that her spear/javelin had a ridiculous AP scaling or something like that, and the big heals that come with it, but what else was there?

Spear+mobility. The spear could 1-shot carries if nid was very ahead, and would 2-shot carries if she was doing fine.

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That's pretty much it. The spears alone decimates gameplay, and the big heals just made things worse.

If the spears alone decimate gameplay, why is AP Ez's Q or R not worse?

Ezreal's q has a much shorter range and doesn't do nearly as much, and ez's r is his ultimate. That said, AP ez is doing too much damage right now and needs to be nerfed a bit.

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No, he didn't. He does way more now.

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Magic damage Q is a 35+% damage increase on your main damage ability >.>

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Also, I find it hilarious that the two ex-Curse rosters have two of the strongest rosters on a player-by-player basis right now. Liquid112 did an amazing job securing/developing talent.

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Gallo and Elise 100% winrate op

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I want NA to somehow send gravity, TL, and TIP to worlds.

It's possible, but improbable.

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TL is the 2nd best team in NA right now, IMO. That said, it's pretty close at the top and could change between now and worlds

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I don't think rush would dominate dom that hard. Yeah, rush is the best jungler in na right now, but dom and especially move aren't that far off.

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I think the big thing for tip right now is that their vision game and macro play are lacking relative to gravity/TL/TSM/sort of dig.

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But Bjergsen!

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Also people on Reddit yesterday were apparently complaining that Keane never plays meta champs and that that was a weakness?

People are stupid; Keane plays what Keane pleases and makes it work.

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Because TSM is bad.

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CURSE OR DIE!

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Seriously now is the time for us Curse fans. Both of our rosters are doing well right now!

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It can hurt a team's ability to have an identity.

TL playing quas on a unique champ every game for the first half of last split probably hurt them.

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Collective 70k gold at 20 minutes wtf is this game.

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PLS IMPULSE LIQUID GRAVITY WORLDS

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RIP TIP

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Welp, TSM ain't gonna be showing up this year.

Small edit now that I've seen the rest of W8D1:

With both Gravity AND Liquid losing, TSM may still make 2nd. But they have to force tiebreakers with both teams or get uncontested 1st/2nd place. And since Gravity is only 2 games ahead instead of 4 (TSM loss + Gravity win), 1st place is still within reach...so long as they win tomorrow. If TSM loses tomorrow I really doubt they'll get 1st.

TSM getting the bye would make me a sad panda

I really want a TL/Gravity final, and both of them getting byes would go a long way towards that end.

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That game secures the top 6 as the playoff teams. Dig is 2-0 vs. T8 and would win the tiebreaker if both teams finish 9-9.

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Since TSM is almost definitely going to worlds, it is nice that they're improving so that they won't embarrass us.

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TL and TIP play each other tomorrow. So, we can only have a 3-way tie for 1st after tomorrow. If it's TL/GV/CLG, GV gets 1st and CLG/TL have to play a tiebreak. If it's TIP/GV/CLG, it's a 3-way tie.

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I'm so happy with how C9 has fallen.

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GV doesn't have a winning record against CLG, so it would be a 3way tie regardless.

You're right. I misread the rule.

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I'm so happy with how C9 has fallen.

Why? You've said this before but I've never seen them as particularly unlikeable

Because it means NA is getting good. I also hate long-term dominance.

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Balls was, even as of last year, one of the best/better western top laners.

Now he looks pretty terrible.

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Frankly, in NA, every top laner that isn't Impact/Quas/Gamsu/Hauntzer/Zion needs to get benched.

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Seraph guaranteeing CLG a first round bye is too funny.

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Lol.

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We know who went to call the upset there.

It wasn't a very smart upset to go for. Giants really stagnated at the end of the split, and h2k is an insane roster (both in terms of individual talent and team play).

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I da bes

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I'm surprised so many people picked Gravity, fwiw. TSM hasn't looked great, but neither has Gravity in the last couple of weeks of the season.

It was a tough call to make, but I think ultimately Gravity has:

1) Fewer internal issues
2) Stronger individual players (Hauntzer>Dyrus, Move>Santorin, Bjergsen<Keane but Keane specializes in making it hard for mid laners to carry, Altec>Turtle, Lustboy>Bunny)
3) More creativity in P/B

#3 is an interesting point, because one thing that TSM is historically very good at doing is reacting to their opponents in Bo5s, so Gravity's ability to kind of pick whatever the fuck they want should help neutralize that (hard to adjust reactively in P/B when your opponents P/B strategy can change on a whim). I kind of think that the games are going to turn into a mind game that Gravity initiates where they pick one of Hauntzer/Altec to get rolling each game, and TSM has to answer correctly or lose, and even if they answer correctly they still aren't guaranteed a win.

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So I think Dignitas is officially out of worlds. Gravity finished with 10 points last season, so they'd take the last spot if they lose tomorrow.

Yes, this is correct.

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I think I put 3-1 UoL. As much as I would like ROCCAT to win, UoL is the better team, and Horo is an upgrade on Kikis.

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The big thing with UoL is that Hyllisang is fucking amazing, PoE and Horo are good, and Vardags isn't so bad that he can't be carried.

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So basically I'm the best ^_^

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I have gv over TSM in I think 4?

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The spreadsheet says Bella has 12 points, not me.

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Yeah wow these Dyrus comps are unexpected.

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TSM did a really good job keeping up in farm and objectives. Each kill is worth about 300 gold, so being up three kills equates to about 3k gold.

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Yeah, true.

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My perfection is about to be gone

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I'm surprised with how unsurprised by Gravity's picks I am. Dyrus pulling out the Olaf is far more shocking than anything GV has done.

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Fuck TSM.

Good thing I had GV 4th :/

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TSM is almost guaranteed worlds at this point, so congrats to them.

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(The only way TSM misses worlds is if TL gets second and TSM gets 4th)

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TSM has 3 chances. 3 different best of 5s to try and win 1.

And if they win any single one they make worlds.

That sounds really hard!

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I hope Remilia decides to stay - she's a huge talent, better than Bunny was a year ago, IMO

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just what we need, more thresh one trick ponies :/

Thresh is the champ that all supports get good on, and it's generally more efficient to get good by spamming one champ and then branching out than it is to start by branching out.

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People be transphobic really isn't anything new.

Although it's really interesting that a lot of the top pro gamers who are girls are trans. Remilia, Scarlett, etc.

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She's said she's staying - stated reason was that there were financial concerns that have been cleared up.

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You're out of it if a team you called winning/going to the finals lost already, most likely.

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(other than h2k losing just now, obviously)

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Get home -> turn on NA semis.

Pleased to see CLG up.

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Which is unlikely, IMO. I think TL is just a stronger team.

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Which is unlikely, IMO. I think TL is just a stronger team.

I've personally learned to never underestimate playoffs TSM. They always manage to find feats of utter bullshit.nd pull it off.

And I don't even like TSM.

Playoffs TSM always show up, but I still think Liquid has the advantage because:

1) TL has had an extra week to prepare (assuming they spent the week before GV/TSM prepping 50-50 for each, or they spent it doing more general prep)
2) TSM already had to bring out a specific strategy vs. GV. TL knows that TSM can run Olaf comps, so they're going to have something prepared for that (unlike GV, who likely didn't expect it at all)
3) TL still has stronger individual players.

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Zoraster is correct. In the case of a tie, summer placement wins out.

Not sure what they're doing about ROCCAT vs. Giants. While it doesnt really matter for number of matches they have to play in the gauntlet, higher seed gets side-pick advantage, so I'm not sure how they're dealing with that.

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Lol at saying Santorin is better than Dom.

Dom is #2 in NA. Santorin is 4 at best.

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Also you kind of just talked around 1 and 2.

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Juggermaw? I

hate

juggermaw.

I don't think it's that good right now, honestly.

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Sivir is bad in this TL g2 comp, imo. Would much prefer a Tristana here.

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Yeah, I don't know why Azir is making it through pick/ban.

That said, these games are insanely close, and TL is still having issues in close games that are going long. Kind of makes me wonder wtf they've been doing the past 3 weeks.

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I kind of want TL to go for something like Mao/Hec, Elise, Viktor, Cait, Janna and just try to end the game in 30 minutes with a super snowballed mid game.

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OMG PHREAK JUST AGREED WITH ME ON WHAT ADC PIGLET SHOULD GO ON.

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Or TL can just do a better late game comp. That works too.

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HOLY SHIT QUAS IS SHOWING UP.

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Quas and Xpecial were really good at locking down Bjerg that game. They were holding their skillshot cc to land on him at the ends of dashes, and doing it super well.

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That Twitch pick is super smart, holy shit.

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Santorin ate his fucking wheaties between games holy shit.

This is the best he's looked all split.

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Azir OP.

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Also I hope this Santorin shows up at worlds. TSM playing like they did in game 4 would have a real shot at winning worlds.

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I can't get over how amazing Santorin looked in game 4. Like seriously where the fuck has that Santorin been.

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Not sure if NA would have any team favored over Fnatic, although the 2 and 3 seeds from NA are going to be stronger than EU, IMO.

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UoL are just worse than ori/h2k, imo. They could upset h2k, though. I don't think the gap there is insurmountably huge.