League of Legends (Old)

[JasonWazza]

I wasn't saying her being popular was bad, i was saying psyche wanted someone that was unpopular.

And ban rates are unknown right now because of API problems.

[JasonWazza]

I've only gotten a mystery gift once, in an ARAM i don't even know why.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly i think it's more to do with pushing boosted accounts down then anything else.

[JasonWazza]

Have games gotten noticeably longer or is there another reason that i missed for kog'maw coming back?

I would say Kog suffers from the same thing as jhin in that, they are beasts late game, assuming they can get there (kog of course just being flat out better as well) which generally means feeding them free kills so that they are useful.

And while i don't doubt Kog's 3 item power spike (rageblade+BotRK+Runnan's) is amazingly strong, as i did play that build back when the rework happened, i haven't seen any actual reasons come up as to why he is suddenly popular, let alone viable.

[JasonWazza]

Kog doesnt need lategame anymore is what changed.

He needs 1/2 items to completely decimate.

Had one go 0/7 in lane and at the end of the game was 19/7

Are you sure that was the 1/2 item spike and not the 3rd item though?

Because a lot of Kog's power is in that trifecta of items.

[JasonWazza]

I feel like someone such as lucian would out everything a kog'maw. If there is any burst I don't understand how you can just avoid taking it.

Lucian is like the exact opposite of what Kog'maw is, i really feel like you don't understand how league of legends works.

[JasonWazza]

Like, I more or less ignore dragon and rift herald, nearly always push towers if I can in stead, and that's probably a blindside of mine. But to make that mean that I sit in mid, idk. I like setting up side waves so they create pressure (but this is something I disagree with with Zor, I only ever want to move to a sizable wave when we have baron buff, otherwise I think you should push something else), I like warding up parts of the map so you get in control of that and get favourable skrimishes. I dislike pushing lanes where the inhib is down, I like to push top/mid when baron is a viable objective.

Just as a note before this season (maybe even just this patch) ignoring dragon was largely fine because there wasn't all that much reason to contest it, but given dragon's changes it is now something you have to contest.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

This is somewhat of an example of not contesting any dragons, and falling into the point where your not in a position to contest 5th dragon on the enemy team, even though they were mostly ahead all game (as much as the gold graph shows otherwise, they definitely felt on top all game)

Me and the thresh were both premade in this game, as we are mates and at about the 22 minute mark we ended up just thinking that 5 dragons was basically our win condition, and surprisingly it was actually a fairly viable win condition at that point (2 dragons, 3rd about to spawn)

[JasonWazza]

I really wish riot would just release a solo queue, and i have a feeling they don't because they know dynamic queue will vanish when they do.

I just hate games being decided by who has the shitter premade.

It's not like i can even say it's honestly the better premades winning over the worse premades losing.

[JasonWazza]

buffed this patch

And for a few patches, and 45% CDR on him is stupid, especially since they decreased the CD on his Q.

[JasonWazza]

"dynamic queue will remove the arguments about position"

Yeah i kinda just got abused by my ADC and mid lane for taking jungle (the position i got) over the mid laner "smurf" taking jungle to play her 1 game udyr.

The smurf that has a 57% win rate and has constantly been silver as well.

Premades are fun.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

[JasonWazza]

Tank Akali isn't building gunblade, though. Not the ones I saw, at least.

There are some that build it, it's just not a massive one for the majority

As for tank akali, i've been against it twice as Tahm and Renekton, and i face rolled her both times, it seems rather underwhelming if your opponent understands the concept of akali.

[JasonWazza]

So i actually just had someone go Leona jungle in ranked, and she got executed at 4:15 at her red.

This is in high silver Elo, and she basically lost her team the game once i realized what was happening (her ganking mid with me counterganking and getting a double with her being level 3 at around 6 minutes) and started mostly just ganking and getting my laners ahead.

Why do people actually try this sort of shit in ranked when it's their first time?

I can understand more meta and simple things (for example going amumu jungle for the first time in ranked, though i don't condone it) but seriously, leona jungle?

Did a pro player recently do it or something?

[JasonWazza]

It's the cap that you can receive from Warlords.

[JasonWazza]

Is there any mid laners that anyone can recommend to someone who is generally a jungler?

[JasonWazza]

I actually haven't done diana jungle before, will probably have to try that, but ekko is probably what i should have for my go to pick.

[JasonWazza]

So i just got to play 2 normal games vsing Pastrytime (OCE shout caster) as Udyr jungle, was some good fun and always interesting to actually run into the rioters.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview
http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

Also Udyr is fairly entertaining when you've been drinking.

[JasonWazza]

Honestly just have generic pages set out (IE. what keystone you're going for, what other tree you want.) and just switch the specifics (Oppressor or Bounty hunter, meditation or executioner)

[JasonWazza]

I have 20 mastery pages (generally one for each keystone and ad +ap)

You realize AD/AP have no real difference in these season 6 masteries yes?

[JasonWazza]

So question, has anyone seen any more recent word on Solo queue, last i heard it was supposed to be a few weeks like a month ago.

[JasonWazza]

If you're a jungler, death is justified if you secure an objective for your team or a lead in some other direct fashion (smite stealing baron IF your team is better off fighting the 4v5 instead of the 5v5 into baron, which is not always the case, or getting a two for one trade in a three man tower dive bot that enables your team to get dragon) or if your death is clearly game-winning (a la the above).

As a note to this, remember that Melee minions with the baron buff have massively increased MR/Armor and that in a lot of cases stealing a baron and leaving your team to just defend can be a lot more worth it then trying to ward off the baron powered melee minions.

That or just go Junglers that enable steals (Ekko is the prime example of this now.)

[JasonWazza]

And that is why no context quote's thread exists.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah but now her W secondary hits can crit.

[JasonWazza]

I've never seen a riot employee win a game.

Thing is if a riot employee was actually good at the game, they likely would just make a living streaming instead of working for riot, that and they don't get as many sheer hours to play the game as you would think depending on their job (and may be just looking for specific things like game breaking bugs).

[JasonWazza]

(I don't think ARAM really counts as that can more likely be put down to teamcomp versus teamcomp reasoning.)

[JasonWazza]

Because to play her properly you need to manage cooldowns and Kite properly.

That's like 2 things that low skill players just flat out can't do, let alone simultaneously.

[JasonWazza]

Jarvan's ult buff went through, full AD Jarvan time.

[JasonWazza]

PS. Jarvan's ult change is terrifying. It does damage to EVERYONE?

Everyone in the AoE, so a good Jarvan should just go full AD and slam everyone into the ground as he now has all his abilities doing AoE damage.

[JasonWazza]

Depends on if they need to.

You shouldn't ever engage with Alpha, you can run up and bait at least one form of CC and alpha when it's close, that is the optimal way to do things, only alpha if it's basically a confirmed kill if there is a risk of CC.

[JasonWazza]

Why is Lux a bad support into Yi? She can shield people and she can snare him.

You see when the yi runs in a very straight line and the lux throws the snare backwards not really.

That's just your elo.

[JasonWazza]

Why is Lux a bad support into Yi? She can shield people and she can snare him.

You see when the yi runs in a very straight line and the lux throws the snare backwards not really.

That's just your elo.

Meh at higher elo the yi could dodge it or just alpha strike it.

That's still just your elo, yi could dodge it, but at least it would be aimed in the right spot if he doesn't dodge it.

Also, Rageblade + Ahri E max = many laughs

Had someone complain because i 100-0'd them with auto attacks while they were charmed, while i had a fully stacked rageblade.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

[JasonWazza]

He's not wrong, players at your skill level are bad, plain and simple.

Players at my skill level are bad (including me)

[JasonWazza]

I understand her being worse than Vel'Koz and Annie, but is she really worse than brand?

[JasonWazza]

My stereotype about people who call mid/top keeps getting reconfirmed

Speaking about stereotypes i love how i can basically identify ranks off how a player acts (/plays).

There are exceptions to this but it generally shows.

[JasonWazza]

Top 5% in any field is an unreasonable expectation to label "good" at. In many fields, top 5% could put you at a professional level or at a level where you are very well respected in said professional field.

The difference being that the top 5% would be a lot less in these scenarios, we wouldn't be talking about 10's of thousands.

It's mostly all relative to the person's view, and opinion based anyway.

[JasonWazza]

Or you don't realize the difference in scenarios.

Basically top 10% of 100,000 is more impressive then top 5% of 10,000,000

[JasonWazza]

Because their algorithms have some auto complete to builds (as it's the only way to get a full build every game) and it's clearly bugged (or one troll did it and the code just says that is the build)

[JasonWazza]

and the game was almost 60 minutes so it's not that much higher then 100 CS per 10.

[JasonWazza]

Alistar mid, and Brand Jungle by the looks of things.

That's called commitment to being non-meta.

[JasonWazza]

So, Reddit's in a bug hullaballoo over most likely not getting solo queue, so I did the math to see how many games it'd take to get a roughly 50% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s, and in order to save me some time, in order to have a 50.4% chance of playing premade 5s vs. random 5s ONCE, you need to play 4800 games - so its effectively wash for the normal ranked player, despite how much it favours premades.

The problem isn't playing against a Premade 5 as a Random 5.

The problem is premades make more of a difference, even in cases where it's a premade 3/4.

If you are playing as a solo player you have a lot less of an influence in this queue.

I've had plenty of games that i could have gone 20/1 or 1/20 and still had the same outcome.

And i have had the same scenario with me being in a premade where i had a lot more influence over the game state simply by being a premade 3 (even with players that are really poor players due to shot calling)

EDIT: hell check my 2 kindred ranked games for Kindred

http://oce.op.gg/summoner/userName=JasonWazza

Recent one, i'm in a premade 3, have a ton of control over the map, and basically dominate.

1 month ago, i dominate, however because of the premade 3 we had we lost.

[JasonWazza]

Agreed NCS needs tweaks (which is underway), and any changes premades made to diminish integrity feels like always getting the roles your team want have increased it by more.

Just as a point, do you honestly think that it wouldn't be better if we had NCS AND solo queue, because it's mostly a matter of 2 steps forward, 3 steps backward for ranked from these changes.

Fact is not only is there a loss of integrity, you really can't argue against the fact that the premades that are in any game have more influence over it then the solo players.

Personally i prefer solo, and i think i've only had 2 games this season where there wasn't a premade (to my knowledge, there still could have been) otherwise i have mostly had premades, and in most cases, they override a lot of what the non-premade's do, whether it's because they are not the best and premaking together (or not taking it seriously, i actually had someone argue that "it's dynamic queue get over it") or because the other premade knows what they are doing more than the premade on your team.

You can't honestly tell me that you think allowing premades of larger sizes keeps the Ranked integrity in the game.

Hell even a lot of professionals are waiting for Solo queue (i've seen at least 2 bring up that they are wanting riot to hurry up before now), and i really doubt that anyone is impressed with Riot's move here.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah, a lot of premades don't play like premades. I see premade solo lanes and jungle all the time, and I can only think of twice where they have refused to gank me to gank their premade. Most players in the premades won't think like that. The main argument seems to be "the 4 other players in the game decide on the outcome more than I do" which is going to be true almost all the time regardless of premades.

As a point i can be bother typing right now, i tend to gank other lanes unless there are easy kills because i can trust that the lane i'm premade with aren't fucking potatoes, and i'd rather farm up our potatoes so that they are at least big potato walls that we can use as shields.

Like my kindred game the other day, i had to camp a garen cause he was going something like 1/3 (the one was from an earlier gank, the 3 was from continuous stupid tower dives) because he was a potato, but eventually i had him as a wall that i could wreck their team behind, and there are so many cases where even a retard in the group can soak an ulti or 2 by being bad in the enemy's face.

Terrible way to view it? Yes
Does it work? Yes*

* Assuming your not premaking with people that require camping, and if you are, why premake with them? Find someone who doesn't need to be babysat

[JasonWazza]

ok?

[JasonWazza]

Wait so is it a legitimate site or not, because i really can't tell.

[JasonWazza]

"No transaction history could be found."

And my password is changed cause it still seems like a really shifty site.

[JasonWazza]

Yeah it gave me all the other stats just not the transaction history (and you can change the login server when your logging in.)

[JasonWazza]

Ekko is alright as a melee mid laner though as he has pretty decent wave clear (though that could very possibly be the way i run ekko with 45% CDR and the Mana Mastery)

2 Q's early and the wave is gone, 1 Q mid game once you have some AP and one hit on each of the melee's (or just a second Q because of the CDR)

[JasonWazza]

So why does Oceania need their own names? Everyone's either a cunt or a mate anyway, so what's the difference if you change the names?

Well to be far some of those names are spot on for it.

They can be a cunt or a mate with those names.

[JasonWazza]

Hiplop isn't a newer player.

And that's a bad argument because if you use the safety argument you'd be nowhere near either of those champs, or anyone with a melee AA in midlane for that matter. You'd be playing Annie, Morgana, and Malzahar. And maybe whichever Lux variant you like best(Lux, VK, Ziggo)

I know he isn't, that was more a general term.

And for what Diana and Ekko (and between those two in particular) do I think Diana is safer than Ekko.

I really don't think safer is the word that should be being used at all.

I mean the main way you are "safer" is you be diana and instadelete whoever your fighting.

Ekko is Safer due to having Passive speedup's/slowdown's, Dashes, and an ult that gives health back and repositions himself.

[JasonWazza]

Decided to rank my bronze5 account and got bronze1 yesterday. Zilean mid is broken still

I don't think you can say this when you're playing with bronze players.

.........

Dwlee you realize how hypocritical that makes you yes?

I'm talking about the overall damage and escapability combined with his ult. Sure, it's probably easier in bronze to pull off but his kit is really good

His kit is good, the problem (as with most utility mids) is the lack of damage to an extent of actually killing someone (the difference being, you can probably 50% a person, i don't think Zilean can reliably 100-0 someone) meaning it's mostly good in a scenario where either you outskill (having no way to solo kill hurts you in solo queue), or you're playing for the team.

[JasonWazza]

I just had the complete sudden realization that i am a full blown jungle main.

Mastery level 5 champs: Ekko, Nidalee, Sejuani, Elise, Rek'sai, Master Yi.

I hadn't actually realized how much my entire mastery 5 group are all junglers.

[JasonWazza]

For me i think it's me mostly just watching NB3 a lot and the fact that my champs have just fallen off from the mid lane (Ekko and nidalee) and tend to be better junglers.

That and i struggle as ADC/Top (as much as i try to fix those problems)

[JasonWazza]

Sometimes i wonder why i can't deal with league at the moment.

And then sometimes games like this make it clear.

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

I really hope riot give us solo queue so i can at least play ranked, or else i might just legitimately not even bother with this game any more.

[JasonWazza]

Guinsoo's Rageblade Mid Kalista.

Probably should have made that a little more clear.

[JasonWazza]

Guinsoo's Rageblade Mid Kalista.

Probably should have made that a little more clear.

Janna's build and masteries are great too. The crit rune is the cherry on top.

I saw that, and then i looked and saw Trundle is level 21, but also has the crit rune.

to be fair, look at the opposing team's team comp

Which part?

I mean it's all fairly cancerish.

The Jhin 1 CDR glyph is probably the best part.

[JasonWazza]

As long as your not out of teamfights to avoid death (eg. making teamfights 5v4 to maintain a low death count), avoiding death doesn't really work against you.

[JasonWazza]

How would she even work as a long range mage?

I mean the main thing that i would say breaks mid range is her E (her Q through an enemy is mid-long range in my mind, Xerath is an example of long range, and his spells tend to have a range of 1k, annie being the mid range mage has abilities around the 600 range)

[JasonWazza]

Your playing against a full team of under 30's, nothing is all that surprising there.

Leblanc is the highest at 23 (i'm assuming they are the level of their masteries).

[JasonWazza]

Low levels are the same as low MMR, they are generally rather hard to close out due to throws.

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... /200474676

Trundle penta kill.

[JasonWazza]

So question for any of the junglers, what do you do when you've camped a lane, got that laner fed, and it turns out that the person you got fed is a retard?

Game in question; http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

Basically, i camped morde, got talon fed, he then goes top on half health with no ult, and feeds gnar a kill (i did ping him to not go top).

[JasonWazza]

You transition to making pressure in a different lane / use the fact you're ahead to pressure the enemy jungle.

Also talon did warn you that he dunno how to play. Shoulda camped bot :^)

In all seriousness though, really shoulda camped bot. Looks like they were doing good, and shutting down urgot in the early game basically ruins his biggest power point (early/mid game carry shutter downer).

I kinda only realized his name after the game.

And yeah i just don't understand any of urgot's spikes or anything like that because, you know who the fuck plays urgot?

[JasonWazza]

Ummm since when can you get 2 free wins in a best of 5, i thought you only got the 1 free win.



EDIT: Oman you can also not use your AoE abilities.

[JasonWazza]

2 free wins in a best of 5, nvm i went 0/3 fucking hell.

[JasonWazza]

Fucked if i know honestly, i think that may be what they decided on instead of the skip a tier/division mechanic, but i never heard anything about 2 free wins even for that so.

[JasonWazza]

^ adding on to that dont play ekko into cho'gath.

Why would you not play Ekko into a Cho'gath?

[JasonWazza]

Highest in your game =/= good CSing (remember your looking for top tier to hit S rankings.)

[JasonWazza]

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

I went into this game expecting to feed on singed, i didn't expect the feed fest that followed.

[JasonWazza]

Spoiler: image

Singed jungle is actually surprisingly strong once you get your red smite.

I actually started being able to 1v1 the lee once i had it.

[JasonWazza]

The thing with Ryze is since the recent change (max 5 abilities from the passive) his been weakened, but his main combo remains.

Q>W>Q>E>Q

Cycle a Q inbetween each ability and the cooldowns will refresh, and you can start anywhere in the combo if your passive is popped.

[JasonWazza]

Irelia beats ryze until you think about the lcs game the irelia got perma snared and 100-0d

Except the ryze nerf stops this from happening as easily now.

At most i think you can get 2 snares off in one combo.

[JasonWazza]

So how are any ADC mains feeling about all the changes that are coming.

The main one being the mage change, but there is also the QSS nerf and the Jungle experience increase.

[JasonWazza]

I love URF it means i get to see Kog'maws build 7+ AS worth of attack speed items and feed because it's urf and a fly could one shot them.

The justification?

"It's urf and they buff AS and Crit"

[JasonWazza]

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/s ... -1-ip-sale

For anyone wanting to do a smurf, level it up now and ignore the runes and just wait for this sale.

And it shows Riot is moving this to a more casual game.

[JasonWazza]

how does it show that

Tier 2 runes, Dynamic queue, rotating game mode queue for weekends.

tier 2 runes suck anyway

Yes but they get you into ranked sooner, and they aren't that much worse than having tier 3, the difference tends to be minor.

[JasonWazza]

I'd assume it's a tournament listing, tournament ranking, and a prize pool listing.

[JasonWazza]

That would be the team name.

[JasonWazza]

Ani i just love kindred, they are an amazing champion.

[JasonWazza]

No Kindred is just one of my prefered champions for jungling right now, and one of my 7 rank 5's

[JasonWazza]

I am yet to see a good vayne in one of my games

Heh

[JasonWazza]

Spoiler: image

I really don't understand the mastery ranking system like ever.

[JasonWazza]

Spoiler: image

I wish that ekko wasn't a massive ban in ranked, i would spam this so much.

[JasonWazza]

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en ... -of-tyler1

The worst part, they did this as he was actually starting to reform.

And still haven't banned people like Kaceytron.

Gotta love how riot go for good press and screw themselves without realizing.

[JasonWazza]

and you swear you are gold, right?

I'm going back to this comment, because i'm seriously perplexed as to whether your being snarky or whether your being serious about this, and it's bothering the back of my mind.

[JasonWazza]

Is everyone hype for league of protobelt?

Yeah i want more champions to have a shotgun like graves, it didn't prove to be OP on him at all.

Seriously though, having seen it basically one shot someone when used like a shotgun, not looking forward to it.

I'm still of the opinion that OCE doesn't count. Some random girl beat a bunch of OCE diamond players blindfolded. Competition can't be stiff.

Somehow i don't believe this.

[JasonWazza]

and you swear you are gold, right?

I'm going back to this comment, because i'm seriously perplexed as to whether your being snarky or whether your being serious about this, and it's bothering the back of my mind.

I'm low gold, nothing special. I cannot remember the last game where I was part of 50 kills. And you had less than 5 deaths. How wasn't that game over before the killscore could even reach those numbers. It's not a question that I don't know how that came to be (lots of messy teamfights where one guy got caught then everybody piled on, after which the few survivors went b to repeat it a minute later again), it's that I don't associate it with the games I play or see being played. To me it shows that teams didn't know how to win, just knew how to control their character.

It was a matter of them having lots of burst and sustain damage, and that the fights were taking too long that respawn timers weren't long enough to actually get towers. (also we probably could have ended sooner but it would have been one of those cases of, if we manage to fuck it up they push down mid and win, and we weren't willing to risk that.)

I don't understand anyone defending Tyler1.

I'm not defending tyler1, i'm calling riot shit for making this perma ban way too late (when a player has finally started to show signs of reform) and not doing more bans of the same sorts of streamers, just because they aren't what's all in the news (thanks to meteos i might add.)

[JasonWazza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL7VgrjokaE

Definitely not completely blind, but certainly impaired vision.

You said blind, i was expecting blind.

Also being vision impaired shouldn't matter that much, fact was she could see more then she was giving off (i'd say it's probably a massive part just an act.)

[JasonWazza]

Signs of reform is me saying that the riot system was actually starting to do it's job with this person, and then they decide to say you can't play this game, this is in no means a defense of tyler1 it's a showing of how pathetic Riot are at handling these sorts of things.

[JasonWazza]

riot wasn't trying to reform him they were trying to punish him

The entire point of the punishment system IS to reform people.

When negative behavior occurs, we know that the faster a player receives feedback, the better their chances of reforming. With that in mind, we’re building and iterating on a new instant feedback system that delivers actionable feedback and appropriate punishment to players that need it most.

[JasonWazza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNAFDGtgQc

Just something rather interesting that appeared in my home page for youtube, 3 korean challengers vsing 5 gold players.

[JasonWazza]

Get carried to page 2000.

[JasonWazza]

wait.. who is Tyler1? and why does anyone care he was banned? Also i'm watching his highlights or w/e the only offensive stuff is from his subscribers

Tyler1 is a high elo Draven 1 trick who had been relatively toxic on several accounts (he said something like 18)

Any recent content would either show him getting banned, or him just before getting banned on an account where he was actually aiming to reform, where he even had feeders and didn't join them (which is probably what he would have done on other accounts.)

[JasonWazza]

But they will still be a stupid strong jungler, especially since you can easily be in front of your laners in level.

[JasonWazza]

Question, do they reset what it takes to get high mastery ratings at the start of the patch?

Because i think they might.

[JasonWazza]

It has for OCE, kinda fun, Rift Herald is only slightly stronger, and probably just means 1 person needs to be slightly tanky.

[JasonWazza]

The biggest problem new Malz has is that new voidlings (unless it's changed since it was on the PBE) spawn from him, meaning he is kinda underwhelming from any sort of range.

[JasonWazza]

We already had this discussion in the other thread. The answer to that is there's no way to do it in league without making it a different game.

Just as a thing, because of where ziggs has been placed, is it not possible that he can be an "ADC" with respect to the killing towers portion (give him a lichbane and he can probably just roll over towers fairly easily while still poking).

The AD damage can easily be covered by Mid/JG/Top, and with respect to a lack of marksman in general you will probably still see the Kindred/Graves in Jungle.

[JasonWazza]

That wasn't true literally 2 months ago, What changed to make it in those two months(prior to midseason magic)

the iceborn+sunfire+spirit Visage combo rising up is a big problem for ADC's because they have so much armor to go through.

And an early %pen item is hard to justify.

[JasonWazza]

I have a solution for everyone wishing ADC was relevant.

Just so we are clear, gosu also says that it's not balanced.

And vayne being the basically only viable ADC is kinda just sad.

[JasonWazza]

Bard all for one is funny as fuck.

Fizz and lux are fairly simple and easy to pick up, Fizz is basically if you can predict ability usage/have low ping and quick reflexes you can dodge everything while assassinating everyone, Lux being if you know her burst combo (Q>E>R>Pop E) you basically know most of what is required from lux, they just both require macro game knowledge (when to roam/push/back etc.) for best effect.

[JasonWazza]

Question is it worth maxing E on new jungle fiddle?

Reasoning: basically makes your clear speed super quick due to your E prioritizing the target your draining (the big monster) before it prioritizes things that haven't been hit.

I was playing Mid fiddlesticks, so i'm not sure how the actual clears will fare, but i was at around 1st item and was able to 1 shot the entire camp to farm it with just an E>W so figured i'd ask.

[JasonWazza]

The champ isn't busted, it's the combination of the OP tank items + Tank mastery + the stickiness of ekko.

Ekko is just one of the champions that can exploit it best.

[JasonWazza]

The champ isn't busted, it's the combination of the OP tank items + Tank mastery + the stickiness of ekko.

Ekko is just one of the champions that can exploit it best.

Enlighten me. Tank Ekko starts with what mysteries? What do I build?

I went 12/0/18 w/ Grasp. Sunfire into Iceborn against AD, otherwise Visage into the above if vs. AP.

Honestly against the AP i used to go Cowl > Iceborn > Visage > Sunfire.

The iceborn is just core to the stickiness of the overall build, though i don't know if there has been any ekko changes since (was there changes in 6.9?).

Also you can run 0/12/18 if you want the main thing is getting Grasp.

Outside of that build to what you need, Swifties or Merc's for boots, Zhonya's, Dead Man's, Randuin's for armor (and possibly a thornmail if you can afford to go that far into armor, in that their Magic damage threat isn't existant.)

Against a heavy Magic damage dealing comp, you can go basically any of the MR items, even things like Maw and scimitar can work depending on what you need to stick to.

[JasonWazza]

Visage seems like there may be a better option for someone

without any healing

built into his kit after the changes.

Maybe abyssal could be nice in those circumstances? You'd have to work some health into your build quickly rather than doing IBG immediately, though.

We are talking about ekko right?

[JasonWazza]

Having level 6/7 mastery finally in the game feels good, already got my level 6 mastery on Ekko.

[JasonWazza]

Gonna toy with her when I get home but I think Morello's into abyssal.

Was discussing this with a friend, but is it worth getting the CDR on her?

I feel like the CDR ends up just creates too much worked ground to actually fight around, and that she'll likely just fall off in any prolonged sit with CDR instead of going for the AP instead.

[JasonWazza]

I am on the league client Alpha.

This should be fun.

[JasonWazza]

depends on how many chests you have opened, they seem to come out like 1/4-1/2 of the time

[JasonWazza]

yeah it's new. To get a level 6 you have to get level 5 and then get two S-/S/S+ performances on the champ. To get level 7 you have to get level 6 and then ? number of S/S+ performances on the champ.

Oh and I think it requires combining the S performances with essence to get the mastery

?=3

And it's 500 essence for the first upgrade (or a skin shard of the same champion) not sure about the second upgrade.