League of Legends (Old)

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Well, to be precise, you can aa-q with no delay. If the q is the final stack for powerchord, it resets the aa so the three hots take no time to perform, done correctly

Yeah I was going to say I know I've done that a ton.

I actually got Sona in an ARAM once I heard about this, but I never felt I was able to perform this at all. To be fair, I'm kinda newbish at doing things such as animation canceling and resets but I'd think it'd be noticeable if I was successful.

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it's actually not noticeable at all because your AAs are tiny tiny squiggles but your Powerchords are big ol' purple things along with the simultaneous Q.

I'm aware of the size difference between AAs, Qs, and the chords, Zoraster, that's not what I'm talking about. (also, Q powerchords are blue, E is purple)

I'm referring to knowing that you successfully did the reset.

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I don't think it's terrible. It'll just take some time to get used to.

Considering Shotgun shots typically don't have much piercing potential (I don't think, anyways), it fits how he can only hit what's directly in front of him.

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His ult feels pretty clunky now though that he wants to get in close and personal.

It actually feels more like it's a cap to you damage and to get yourself out after a kill, or a way to ward off further damage due to trading, personally.

I haven't played him on the PBE, but that's just me feel from watching Redmercy's vid on him.

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"It's been two days and I know how to play a reworked champion like a god already"

Kog'Maw was NEVER good in solo queue - the changes accentuate that.

Kog is pretty much the epitome of "protect the ADC" comps. If everyone else on the team can both keep the enemy in range and keep Kog alive, he'll shred through anything, but if not he'll be dead as fuck.

Also, I don't really see those changes as a

big

Ashe nerf? I mean, I agree it's a nerf early-mid for becoming a late-game scaler, but it doesn't seem that bad? I haven't played this new Ashe yet, though.

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At least you have champion.gg though.

The masteries are actually fairly easy. Here's a cheat sheet someone made:

I think it'd help if they put the mastery names on there, too, just for reference, but that works.

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Her W aura now giving the entire team on-hit damage, attack speed, and resistances is pretty fun! It's like old Sona, but all in one aura.

Wait, what the fuck does her Q aura do, then?

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To be fair, it only gives on-hit damage and attack speed with an ardent censer.

Ah, okay. For a second I thought you were saying her W had some new ability and I was like "What the fuck?"

But I already figured ardent censer was pretty good/amazing on Sona?

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Zor is almost right. Everyone here is a support main except for me and Llamarble.

I'm not because I've fallen WAAAAY out of touch with Sup since I barely played at all S4 and did marginally more S5. I was adc/sup all the time in S3, though.

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Ravenous? And then probly an armor/MR item.

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wow people in ranked are assholes

What else is new?

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The issue with that mastery is that I do not see how you are supposed to reach 40% on most champions, even moreso supports, in any meaningful time. It makes your lategame a lot better and improves the value of the items you buy, but you don't buy that many items as a taric

Pretty sure they're talking about Taric top.

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would it be good as this magic treehouse

Holy shit that's epic.

Guys, pick up your wave-clearing long rage APCs!

They'll be good because if you get a slight disadvantage you can sit back and shove the lane with skills to hold your tower as long as possible!

I'm personally going 45% CDR Lux/Ziggs for the majority of my midlane games because "lolcanttakemyturret"

*already has Xerath and TF, I'm cool*

Also WTF is with Poppy's new ult? That's, like, the perfect tank-deflector (especially if they used their engage tools already). It's also very anti-gap closer from both that and her W. I imagine she'd be pretty safe top, at least from people who don't have blinks (Ez comes to mind, but I think Ekko's E and Yi's Q work the same way?).

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I think the idea behind it is sound, but I'm not sure if it's specifically back to the side's base or just a distance based on charge-time. I also really don't think it should be from, like, Mid to top. Maybe just from tower to tower.

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nor is ziggs'

This isn't true. Ziggs bomb is blocked.

Q is. R isn't.

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2) I don't think I follow this logic. Don't stand behind minions to avoid being hit by the most important ability in her kit because you might get creepblocked? Let's not forget that minion collision boxes got larger this path, and champion collision with minions got reduced at the same time.

Slightly drunk but i will address this one point.

Stand in minions and she will just Q the minions and hit you with them, stand outside the minions and she will hit her E, it's a lose/lose situation.

If you see the Q coming that shouldn't be a problem, and you should have enough time to strafe back and forth to dodge the E if that'll come out next. The Q animation is pretty slow, and E isn't that much faster AFAICT.

Besides, if it's JUST the Q tentacle and not any others you should be fine in the lane, I think, as far as damage goes.

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why do you keep calling it a test

Because it's called Test of Spirit?

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Sounds like she'd fare poorly vs. Vlad or Jayce.

Jayce, sure.

As for Vlad, his pool does get him out of tests, but is his C/d longer than hers?

If she keeps looking for fights and keeps her E on c/d, Vlad might have to put two points into his W to truly stay safe in lane.

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I don't even play Tristana and I might buy it with Christmas money.

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It's harder then it looks!

How the fuck did you do that, and what was up with that game, anyways?

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What'd you do, jungle the entire time?

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Zenith Blade/Piercing arrow is great, but Jason was asking for solo waveclearers.

I'm kinda surprised MF is up there, though I suspect it's not through singular waveclear. (OTOH I haven't played her at all no know how her abilities work in regards to waveclear other than Bullet Time, but she should never be using that for waveclear, anyways)

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(Who does ranked on 3v3s nowadays, anyways..?)

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myko

Other than him.

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(Who does ranked on 3v3s nowadays, anyways..?)

Do me a favour and never, ever say this again. Because you were just shown 6 people who do.

I am aware that ranked exists for the Treeline. You will have to pardon me for not finding much interest in that particular field nor being aware that competition exists for it.

I don't mean to belittle his accomplishment, though. I just find it surprising that there are ranked teams and such since I rarely ever play on it.

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If any of you guys have ever seen Diashen's YT videos, I was featured in his most recent one. I was so happy

I thought the name looked familiar!

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J4 is also one of Vlads hardest counters. It's disgusting.

You can W the combo, but not the ult, right?

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Correct.

But if you make Vlad W your combo, you've already won the trade.

Because you can outdamage him early (via passive and getting your combo back faster) and prevent him from staying at a safe distance post-6?

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Zito, can you gift me 5 dollars worth of RP? I'll put in the other 20, I want to buy Pulsefire ezreal.

*already has Pulsefire*

I need to remember to check out my other deals. THe only one I know if is marauder Ashe, which is cool (but not cooler than Amethyst and Heartseeker)

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is pulsefire very good?
i honestly can't tell from the skin spotlight
and i've certainly never met anyone who had it

I like it, anyways. The only one I like near enough to it is Frosted (TPA Ez just looks stupid with that hand).

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I think it would be neat to see a non-ADC that uses firearms. Really hoping for an AD assassin on this one

Other than GP?

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I think it would be neat to see a non-ADC that uses firearms. Really hoping for an AD assassin on this one

Other than GP?

Ah. True.

Though I do agree a non-ADC with full reliance on firearms would be nice. GP sorta does that, but he's a mix of sword/pistol/barrels/gunboat, so.

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1. Wit's End, honestly i think the changes to it did a decent amount, and as someone who tends to play more hybrid champs, or champs that have an excess amount of magic damage recently (Corki/Ekko are the 2 i would think of building it on) so i kinda wanted to know what people think about it as an item.

I actually want to know if Wit's End ever has effective synergy with Volibear's ult because I really want to play around with a non-Cinderhulk build on Jungle Voli (whether it's runeglaive or devourer idk yet)

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If this is what the new champ select looks like, this is awesome.

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Happy birthday, tn!

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Jhin's abilities. From a basic overview he doesnt' look like he'll be an assassin, but I can't tell definitively if he's top, mid, or bot.

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He's definitely an adc, that's for sure.

Like a mix of Graves and Caitlyn?

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Why did they turn Shen into Orianna?

It's not as maneuverable as orianna's ball, though. It just goes one way: Toward Shen.

I mean, yeah, you have to keep track of it to not proc the extra AS/damage on the Q, but I wouldn't call it a complete Orianna copy.

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I don't approve of making shen a better support option at the cost of his top lane presence.

I don't either. I like the idea of being able to flex pick him top or support.

(although, making the Q allow for ranged harass while keeping this blade thing intact sounds like we would be making him into a male Orianna.)

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If it weren't for the fact that I'm going to school and working during the week and only have enough free time at night on the weekends (and that'll likely be taken up by the LCS), i'd happily join that placement team.

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what happens when sirhcez can't carry you and redmercy is fed lol

Was it

the

Redmercy?

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Jhin PBE play, for those of us without PBE access.

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RIP ranked

You'll get used to it. Get over it.

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jesus the hyperbole in this thread.

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It's an ARAM, but i'll take it as it's a damn penta kill

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends ... b=overview

I got my first Penta as Fiora (pre-rework) in an ARAM, so of course it counts!

And if it still does this in a couple months, then complain. For now, the new champ select is

new

. Let them work out any kinks first.

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Sejuani wasting her ult on just the Xin Zhao.

Yasuo isn't a bad target due to his snowballing nature, and Lucian was covered by Karma so it's possible Fizz couldn't 100% him in time (though I think her E was on C/d, but even so).

A lot of focus by blue onto Yasuo, and in turn by red onto those who were going after Yasuo.

Lucian did practically nothing after using his ult, and wasted Karma's shield. He didn't even kill Thresh with it.

Ez I feel actually did okay, up until he tried to E in for a kill on Annie. Probably wasn't aware of if she had her stun up. Given that his skills weren't reaching her, I think he shouldn't have tried for the kill, though.

i find it hilarious that Xin Zhao jumping on Anni started this whole fight, and it finishes with Xin killing Annie. Speaking of Xin, other than wasting seconds to push mid he did fine for how long he was in the fight.

That's about all I got.

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fizz all ins on yasuo instead of killing the lucian who's squishier and doesn't have GA,

It may have been more incidental than intentional, but going 1v1 against Yasuo (even a GA Yasuo) seems like a better option than 2v1 Karma/Lucian IMO.

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my friend told me about victorious gaming
I think I'll start playing it tonight

Is that some kind of fan-made way to play?

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Back when I was gold, I destroyed a diamond level yasuo main because lolmalzahar.

Funny story: The first two games I played as Xerath (non-ARAM), I went up against Yasuo's and won both times. I think it was a bit more their failing than my skill because I'd imagine Yasuo should do at least even against Xerath (yeah, Xerath has long range and poke but Yas is more manueverable plus W).

Kinda actually want to play Jhin.

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im basically putting on a straightjacket

Welcome to the Worldwide Perpetual Bachelor Party.

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never said anything about that

Oh, you can drop out anytime you like, but you'll always come back...

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Once I saw Lee not use his second Q, he had to go and seppuku in the baron pit out of shame.

The only dignified fate for any Lee who doesn't take his second Q.

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"sorry I don't play adc all I have is ashe"

Because Ashe is totally a useless adc?

She's not in the meta right now, and I get that, but it's not like she's as completely useless/niche as she was back in S3-4 before her rework.

P-EDIT: Do people really listen, anyways?

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Mad King Ashnard.

FE fans rejoice. (at least if you liked Path of Radiance)

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Vlad into Teemo is pretty gr8.

Make sure you've got some engage somewhere, though.

I think you need engage if you pick Vlad, period.

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Err. Yes, that's what I said?

I meant as a general rule for Vlad, not just Vlad into Teemo in particular. Unless that's what you meant, too.

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SO, who wants to load up on the weekend to get 100 Dominion wins before the 22nd?

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I feel like whenever I'm listening to your arguments I could insert Elise for Nidalee and everything would be 100x better.

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Ahri is popular.

Fuck popularity, I'd use Ahri regardless.

Is she getting banned frequently?

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Plus you can tilt the shit out of the enemy because

nobody

wants to play against Udyr in low ELO.

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Panzer goes against the grain.

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For the first time in my life I've seen a team Surrender in an ARAM.

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I try to keep pages specifically for the 5 main roles. I have thought about making pages for subsets (top bruiser and top tank, support mage and support tank), but I might not)

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I guess an AD, AP, and Tank runepage would be fine.

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The fact her focus stacks no longer just fall off if you don't refresh them is a real good QoL change.

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Third time I've been one win off of entering my series them lost

That was me literally up to the last couple of days of S5.

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For things like Dominion, Ascencion, or URF--things that are viable in small quantities but don't really have lasting value--a rotating queue seems really appropriate.

That's not to say they won't find another winning concept like ARAM, though.

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top 500K, babee!

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Aurelion Sol PBE play

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I mean, holy SHIT LOOK AT HOW BIG THAT Q CAN GET!

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EVERYONE doesn't include teammates right

That would still be fucking hilarious, though.

At level 16 your now AOE ult with the three items above does: 450 Base + 1.5*(55 [BC] + 60 [Warrior] + 75 [Ravenous Hydra]) for a total of 735 AOE damage. Plus the utility benefits of your ult.

Mid Damage Jarvan is probably a thing now too.

I am satisfied.

Is it just me, or is Big Head Draven literally one of the freakiest skins to date?

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It's the best skin in the game. If I could play him well AND didn't already have a fantastic skin for him, I'd buy it.

Gladiator and Primetime, all the way.

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When I play carry I get focussed by the three assassins on my team

wat

Probly three people diving him.

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@Hiplop: It pains me to say this because when I was your skill level, Diana was the new hotness OP release champ, but imo she might be powercreeped. Take a whack at playing Ekko.

I loved her log-in music, and that plus her design meant instant like.

I do agree that Ekko does what she does a lot better (especially since he's not gated by the Moonlight thing to get the most usage out of her ult), but I think that Diana is less, uh, risky for newer players? She's IMO better for newer players who want to get into playing Ekko before playing Ekko himself.

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do we have a guy that goes by the name "lolnifty"? Someone nominated him for the club.

Can I be nommed?

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Hiplop isn't a newer player.

And that's a bad argument because if you use the safety argument you'd be nowhere near either of those champs, or anyone with a melee AA in midlane for that matter. You'd be playing Annie, Morgana, and Malzahar. And maybe whichever Lux variant you like best(Lux, VK, Ziggo)

I know he isn't, that was more a general term.

And for what Diana and Ekko (and between those two in particular) do I think Diana is safer than Ekko.

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Maybe they could make an AD equivalent (with, like, a blue bar or something), or would that just make it worse?

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Reworks are outrageous. Truly, truly outrageous.

Like, if this goes live, Taric is back in the meta, no question.

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These abilities are starting to get out of hand man.

I like the idea behind the W, and I think it's fine, it's the R that needs changing. I think an AoE armor and/or MR buff for, like, 8 seconds that maybe degrades to a certain amount over time (and each value probly scales with Armor/MR) would be better, and it'd hold to his old ult as well. It'd just have to be tuned enough to not feel like a 2nd vengeful Maelstrom.

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damn it they made Taric's stun into a skillshot

it's over

But it can multi-stun!

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I got beat by a plat 4 Aurelion Sol top lane while I was trundle. The early was incredibly rough because I've never played against the guy before. I'm not entirely sure if I can beat it or not. I'm also not entirely sure what that guy does to be honest? He can change the size of his galaxy stun thing? Idk bros.

Good straight-line mobility with his E, passive is always on and does great damage in sustained fights/trades (even lvl 1 fights can be good because Sol can pretty much do damage every second+AAs, not to mention helping guarantee wins with Q first for a couple of hits--though he should be going Q first anyways, IMO). Q is a great AoE stun and that thing can get MASSIVE if you keep it going long enough. Even from your fountain to the 1st enemy tower, a homeguard+E-charged Q can easily take up most if not all of the entire lane. And it's more finicky on the others due to the non-straightness of top/bot, it can still be a great way to surprise people shoved up to the tower. Especially if someone else can come up from behind and CC them down long enough for you to arrive.

W amps up passive damage and increases its range, keeping Aurelion Sol safe from melee harrass so long as he maintains his distance. His ult also shoves enemies out to W range (which is also his AA range) along with damage, so it's good for both some self-peel and making sure melee champs aren't sticking too close.

(Disclaimer: I have not played a single game with Sol, this is just what I understand from watching vids of people playing Sol.)

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The whole D through S stuff, probly.

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It took you 51 mins against bots? Were they hard AI?

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GIF is new to the game, in case "day 2" didn't make that obvious enough.

Good job, GIF!

I figured, I'm just...confused. I didn't expect what I presume to be a game vs. Easy AI to go 50 mins.

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And just to be clear, I'm not knocking GIF for being a newbie. I just never experienced an AI game going that long when I first started out. (which was all the way back in S2 over S6, but still.)

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the reason I say it ismt a big deal is because I have seen a lux use her shield like twice

use the

ability

twice or get a shield twice? Because Lux should always be getting two shields with each W use (once on the way out, once when it comes back).

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3literally anytime I first pick xerath the enemy picks yasuo and just shits on me all game

I think I mentioned that the two times I played Xerath into yasuo I completely shit on them, but I still believe those were outliers/I was just better or something?

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So how are any ADC mains feeling about all the changes that are coming.

The main one being the mage change, but there is also the QSS nerf and the Jungle experience increase.

not being able to qss zed ult is going to be the absolute worst. He's already op rn, so this change is ridiculous. He's already perma-banned, hopefully this continues.

It does sound like they're going to do some changes to ults like that (Fiora, Vlad, etc.) to make sure that ADCs aren't left completely in the ditch or are essentially forced to buy Zhonyas even if they have no usable AP scaling, though.

I have no idea what that would be (QSS-like item specifically for that sounds really dumb), but...

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He's losing a lot of his ability to push every wave at the same time to do that, though.

Is that part of the rework?

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earthbending bird lady hype!

ikr?

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2000 woo yay...

uh...[size=small]I should probably do placements at some point...[/size]

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the satisfaction of sniping 5th dragon with a Xerath W from an enemy Udyr.

Random...ouch. Did you lose?

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I barely play the game at all nowadays and am just watching you all argue, so.

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Having level 6/7 mastery finally in the game feels good, already got my level 6 mastery on Ekko.

There's lvl 6/7 mastery?