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[InflatablePie]

yeah OuaT seems busted in this event

the GB deck I've been running is probably better with tweaks (OuaT into Innkeeper seems gr8) but I haven't fiddled with Elementals since rotation so this seems like the best time unless it gets neat stuff in TBD

[InflatablePie]

spoilers: RW Knights (feat. Tajic/Aurelia/Venerated Loxodon/Embercleave) performed way better than either


also OuaT ban (aww), Oko ban, and Veil ban in Standard

[Inferno390]

Fucking finally

I might be able to play Arena again

[popsofctown]

Oko ban had to happen.
Veil had to happen. I like how they pointed out the similar designs and said they wanted to try to make a playable version of the card. It let me empathize.
OuaT ban is weird and I'm not totally sure how to feel about it. The official reasoning is that they wanted to nerf green, the color green. I get that like, a lot of the standard legal green cards are stronger than a lot of the standard nongreen cards right now.
But OuaT doesn't seem offensive to me, and it's weird for a card to get banned that's not even a little bit offensive (some people at the pro tour played fewer than 4 copies of a 2 drop that doesn't do something too specific to be horrible drawn in multiples). I think it's the first time they've done that? It depends on whether Reflector Mage is offensive to you, maybe.
The notion that magic formats "should" have balance in strength between the five colors makes intuitive sense, but I'm not sure if that's true if there are several truly unique stragies that happen to share a color. And OuaT is an interesting card.

[panthaleon]

OUaT has the issue of making decks extremely consistent, combined with the mulligan. It's a rather sensible ban in that light.

[hasdgfas]

OUAT is an absolutely heinous design. It's so much stronger than Ponder or Preordain(which are banned in Modern) because of how consistent the effect is. It's very comparable to Faithless Looting, which was ALSO banned in Modern, but actually needs fewer constraints in your deckbuilding to be good.

I genuinely believe that anyone who was playing a green deck with fewer than 4 Once Upon A Time built their deck incorrectly, because it just makes you so much more consistent, especially how your deck begins the game, which is the most important point of the game. It's incredibly offensive. Yeah, the second copy costs you two mana, but that's actually just a totally fair cost for that effect at instant speed. And with the first one costing 0 mana and giving you such consistency, it is completely absurd. It is a design mistake and they should just remove it from every single format the way they did Gitaxian Probe.

[hasdgfas]

As an example, I've seen multiple different Pioneer decks get BETTER mana and more consistency by adding a third color, even if it's just for Once Upon A Time. That is complete nonsense.

[popsofctown]

It is a design mistake and they should just remove it from every single format the way they did Gitaxian Probe.

Gitaxian Probe was not removed from every single format, it was never banned from Standard.
Deck manipulation is just not as powerful in Standard formats, see: Ponder being stone cold unplayable in many past Standard formats.
In standard it's just a great card.

[hasdgfas]

It is a design mistake and they should just remove it from every single format the way they did Gitaxian Probe.

Gitaxian Probe was not removed from every single format, it was never banned from Standard.
Deck manipulation is just not as powerful in Standard formats, see: Ponder being stone cold unplayable in many past Standard formats.
In standard it's just a great card.

At the point in which it was removed from every single format it Magic, it was no longer legal in Standard. I'm not intending to argue it was a problem in Standard. But it was still a design mistake, just like OUAT. Now that OUAT is rightly banned in Standard, just get it out of every format.

[Inferno390]

I can finally play Temur Elementals again, I'm so happy

[InflatablePie]

I've been a fan of Reid Duke for a while

and just lost to him in Diamond 1

my Gruul Adventures list (can post later, still working out the sideboard) versus his Golgari Clover deck. lost 1:2, kept a slow hand game 2 and turns out doubled Beanstalk Giant is brutal

was probably one of the best games of Magic I've played in a while though

[DeathNote]

I've seen a couple gruul adventures list grinding up the ladder. Seems decent but also just anything with embercleave is pretty good.

[MTD]

Hiya, not mtg, but if any of you are interested in learning a new card game, we are still looking for people for an Android:Netrunner introduction tournament:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=81514
If that interests you, take a look, otherwise ignore and carry on

[InflatablePie]

been jamming Temur Clover for a little while now

went up against Seth Manfield and his UG Flash deck from Mythic Champs

and he was streaming!

[DrDolittle]

woah congrats IP! and congrats on the win!!

[InflatablePie]

thanks!! I was like "huh this person is rank 33 I wonder if they have an mtggoldfish account or anything"

*googles username + mtg arena*

"... oh. and he's streaming.

...

well I'm glad I got those Clover/Innkeeper styles today"


simic flash is such a good matchup tho so it was fine. his sideboard was correct for game 3, idk what he was running Kenrith's Transformation for. I'm running a full wishboard, some lists run extra Disputes/Negates/Return to Nature

can post a list and quick rundown sometime tomorrow if anyone isn't familiar w the deck; it's another ~70/75 stolen off a reddit post and usually wins via Beanstalk Giant and Fling

[MTD]

Looks like friends list is a thing now, so if we could collect our usernames that would be cool.
I'm MTD#10805

[InflatablePie]

AffinityForPie#91573

Also I just beat crokeyz on RB Aggro with Clover on stream but apparently the vods are only available to subs so you can't see me go t2 Clover into his Angrath's Rampage two games in a row (and holding it til turn 4 game three - and he Rampages the Fae I played t2 instead), so settle for a screenshot


am I a skilled MTG player yet

[edit] also I thought I was gonna lose game 2 cuz math is hard and I'm still having coffee (why you gotta pin me against pros first thing, Arena?) but I Wished for a Flame Sweep when he had 2x Midnight Reaper and 3 other creatures and was at 10 life and that was so satisfying

[edit2] I put a 4 instead of For in my tag, again; coffee

[edit3] ~10pmish, he came back for Round Two

[InflatablePie]

also I never posted my list but my untapped.gg is here

fiddling with some changes today (notably 3ish sideboard changes, going down to 3 Innkeeper, and adding Nissas as haymakers) but it's a hybrid between the Innkeeper version I first saw on r/spikes and the version on mtggoldfish/brought to Mythic Champs

[panthaleon]

MF Portland is next weekend get h y p e

[hasdgfas]

hascow#95584

[InflatablePie]

Spoiler: Historic Artisan

haven't seen anyone else running Vampires and this deck is stupid tbh, turns out having two lords and token generators in a format with significantly less removal is great, who knew. also Adanto Vanguard being a pain + Forerunner/Zealot giving you good game against any control decks. basically just set up a board, some lords, then Cruel Celebrant/Vindictive Vamp for protection and the final damage push.

could maybe cut 1-2 token gen card(s)/1 4-drop lord/1 Dusk Legion Zealot/1 Dire Moon for flex slots. deck is pretty tight on mana and might want a 23rd land. the Ascend flying guy could be decent but deaththouch+lifelink on the black one-drop is too good especially since that's our only removal aside from two Cast Down. Inspiring Cleric and Pitiless Pontiff didn't do enough IMO (the former would be great SB in Bo3 for this format). maybe make some number of cuts for 2-3 Bloodthirsty Aerialist as a flier that'll usually be at least a 3/4.

anyway feel free to steal and tinker with if anyone's playin the event, lmk how it does

Spoiler: importable list with 23 land + 2 Aerialists cuz I'm too lazy to change back

Deck
6 Plains (XLN) 260
9 Swamp (DAR) 259
4 Unclaimed Territory (XLN) 258
4 Scoured Barrens (M20) 251

3 Vampire of the Dire Moon (M20) 120
4 Cruel Celebrant (WAR) 188
4 Adanto Vanguard (XLN) 1
4 Legion Lieutenant (RIX) 163
3 Dusk Legion Zealot (RIX) 70
2 Cast Down (DAR) 81

4 Forerunner of the Legion (RIX) 9
3 Queen's Commission (XLN) 29
2 Bloodthirsty Aerialist (M20) 91
2 Vindictive Vampire (RNA) 90
3 Call to the Feast (XLN) 219
3 Thirsting Bloodlord (M20) 293

pick your own basics if you care but I think these are gr8

[InflatablePie]

ebwop: wait unclaimed territory is a card, oops

[InflatablePie]

mono-B is comin' back y'all

4x Yarok's Fenlurker
4x Ayara
4x Murderous Rider
4x Dread Presence
4x Deathless Knight
4x Gary

~12 more cards with some number of Cavalier of Night and Castle Lochtwain seems like a stock start before we get more Theros spoilers. Oathsworn Knight maybe for pips but idk. Probably some Rankles? Lilianas? Midnight Reapers?

[edit] maybe the other 4-drop hybrid creature but that's weird for the curve and Rankle is prob just better as a card

[PJ.]

I've been on hold from crafting anything because of how in transition standard has been and also the decks that seem good, do not look very fun. Aside from like...jeskai fires, which I can't craft and seems like doesn't have the wish board anymore