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Post Post #7450 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:39 am

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In post 7449, DeathNote wrote:Oh ok but by that logic, they will struggle against any red deck cause Abrade is a common card to put in. Besides, RR favored lightning strike more often then Abrade.
Still kills Pummeler.
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Post Post #7451 (ISO) » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:40 am

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/Shrug lots of things kill pummeler but why does banning ferocidon help that?
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Post Post #7452 (ISO) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:40 pm

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Got back from GP indy late last night. This was the first team event I've ever played in and gotta say it was a blast. Helped that we had an awesome finish at 10-4, but I'm going to do everything that I can to make it to GP Columbus in April. Team limited is a really sweet format and I'm actually pretty excited for the upcoming team pro tour despite being indifferent about it before this weekend.
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Post Post #7453 (ISO) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:54 pm

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I, on the other hand, didn't win a match d1.
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Post Post #7454 (ISO) » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:44 pm

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Oh sorry to hear that. Hopefully you got some redemption on Sunday?
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Post Post #7455 (ISO) » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:25 am

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Nope went 1-4 in the ptq. :(

Really miserable weekend for me overall.
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Post Post #7456 (ISO) » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:25 am

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Also I should just add congrats, thats a great record. Did you cash?
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Post Post #7457 (ISO) » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:10 am

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Thanks! Yeah we cashed which was awesome. Also got to beat up on a couple of pro teams which felt great. While we definitely overachieved considering our relatively low experience level, this result has me pretty excited to continue the PPTQ and GP grind to see what happens.
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Post Post #7458 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:20 am

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Finally found the MTG thread! *screams*


I'm looking to get into Standard this season before Kaladesh goes out of rotation. Looking at a Blue/Black Pirates deck with Marionette Masters and Tidy Conclusions. Thoughts? Suggestions?
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Post Post #7459 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:26 am

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Tidy conclusion is not a playable constructed magic card.
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Post Post #7460 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:31 am

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Oh. :cry:

AThat's a shame, since it would be so good with Pirates. Guess I'll switch that out with some Contract Killings then.
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Post Post #7461 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:40 am

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Neither of them really are. They cost too much mana.

I am reasonably sure that if you are playing pirates you want to be an aggressive shell, which means 5 mana is a lot and spending 5 mana for a kill spell is just not what such decks want to be doing.

The black kill spell you want to be playing in this meta of scarab god's and hazorets is vraska's contempt.

Heres an example of what an aggressive BR pirates deck could look like:
4 Daring Buccaneer
4 Rigging Runner
1 Grasping Scoundrel
3 Dire Fleet Poisoner
3 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
4 Kitesail Freebooter
4 Ruin Raider
3 Forerunner of the Coalition
1 Dire Fleet Neckbreaker
1 Rowdy Crew
4 Lightning Strike
4 Shock
2 Abrade
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Canyon Slough
8 Mountain
6 Swamp
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Post Post #7462 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:53 am

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Oh, I thought you meant that it was banned! :lol:
Actually, I'm not looking to play aggressive with this deck. It's supposed to be blue/black control pirates, with more focus on the treasure tokens than the attacking itself.
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Post Post #7463 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:54 am

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Which is why I want the Tidy Conclusions, because while 5 mana for a kill spell alone is not that good, 5 mana for a kill spell plus 5+ life and at instant speed is not bad, especially with cards like Ghalta in the meta right now.
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Post Post #7464 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:07 am

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If you want to play blue black control, there is a shell already and its probably a lot better than anything you could be doing with pirates:

3 Torrential Gearhulk
4 Ravenous Chupacabra
2 The Scarab God
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6 Swamp
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Evolving Wilds
4 Fetid Pools
2 Field of Ruin
1 Ipnu Rivulet
4 Censor
1 Consign // Oblivion
4 Disallow
3 Essence Scatter
4 Fatal Push
4 Hieroglyphic Illumination
2 Moment of Craving
2 Vraska's Contempt
2 Search for Azcanta

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1 Vizier of Many Faces
2 Moment of Craving
3 Negate
1 Tetzimoc, Primal Death
1 Arguel's Blood Fast
1 Bontu's Last Reckoning
3 Duress

Ghalta is seeing some amount of play, but very little and its answered by chupacabra, essence scatter and disallow in this list.

You should be more concerned with answering the scarab god, which is the defining card in standard right now. Along with hazoret and aggressive red/white/black creature decks, 5 mana is just too much. You'll be dead before you can cast it in a lot of matchups.
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Post Post #7465 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:12 am

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if you wanted to play with treasure tokens etc., you'd probably want to go all in on the treasure, and I don't think those spells fit in that shell. that deck is probably not very viable though, so prepare to lose a lot unless you take it to a very casual fnm meta.
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Post Post #7466 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:28 am

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In post 7465, McMenno wrote:if you wanted to play with treasure tokens etc., you'd probably want to go all in on the treasure, and I don't think those spells fit in that shell. that deck is probably not very viable though, so prepare to lose a lot unless you take it to a very casual fnm meta.
What's not very viable? Treasure Tokens?
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Post Post #7467 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:32 am

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If you want to win you should just play good cards. Most of the cards that make treasure aren't very good.

And unless you're doing something super rampy with the tokens to go way over the top, they're not much of a pay off either.
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Post Post #7468 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:37 am

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I am doing something rampy, in the form of Marionette Master. Unless I'm stupid and I don't understand how tokens work (which is completely possible and probably accurate), I can use it's ability to drain 4 life from my opponent with every Treasure I sack.
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Post Post #7469 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:39 am

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3 Marionette Master
4 Tezzeret the Schemer
1 Vraska, Relic Seeker
1 Forest
1 Island
3 Plains
3 Swamp
1 Arch of Orazca
4 Concealed Courtyard
2 Drowned Catacomb
4 Evolving Wilds
2 Glacial Fortress
2 Irrigated Farmland
2 Orazca Relic
4 Renegade Map
4 Treasure Map
4 Hidden Stockpile
4 Ixalan's Binding
4 Fatal Push
4 Settle the Wreckage
2 Profane Procession
1 Fumigate

sb:
4 Regal Caracal
2 Cast Out
3 Moment of Craving
2 Negate
1 Vraska, Relic Seeker
3 Duress


Here's a list that top 16d the scg team event. Not sure how good it is.
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Post Post #7470 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:44 am

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That seems pretty good, but also very iffy. It looks like a lot of creature removal, which if your opponent is tutoring out or playing a lot of creatures, it could struggle. Definitely could use at least another Fumigate.
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Post Post #7471 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:47 am

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This deck is VERY strong against creatures. Hidden stockpile does work.

If anything this deck is mostly weak against counters I think.
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Post Post #7472 (ISO) » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:04 pm

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Yeah, I recommend looking at the various hidden stockpile + anointed procession shells. They sometimes include treasure map and marionette master which can produce a combo finish that comes out of no where. Seems to be the closest thing to what you've described that is reasonably viable in standard right now. Of course viability depends somewhat on where you'll be playing and what your budget is. Huge difference between kitchen table games between friends who have limited card availability, an average FNM, and major tournaments like a GP or SCG.
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Post Post #7473 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:20 am

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In post 7455, Thestatusquo wrote:Nope went 1-4 in the ptq. :(

Really miserable weekend for me overall.
Yeah that was my weekend in Indy as well. Feels like another bad limited format where whoever gets to start coming downhill without wasting mana/turns first wins.
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Post Post #7474 (ISO) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:19 am

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Heres my fool proof strategy:

1) Go to PPTQ.
2) Go 2-3.
3) Have teammate win PPTQ.
4) ????
5) Qualify for RPTQ.
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