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Post Post #7700 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:32 am

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cut Murmuring Mystic (slow), Wee Dragonauts (I'd play the 1UR x/4 drake instead), Augur (you already have removal for aggressive decks), Radical Idea (haven't been impressed w it in UR but maybe it's okay)

go up to 4 Strikes, and for the other 6 cards add instants/sorceries - either draw or cheap permission (Opt, Negate, etc). Narset might be ok too.
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Post Post #7701 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:37 am

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I wonder if basing UR around Uncaged Fury could be good. Could get some oops-I-wins.
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Post Post #7702 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:41 am

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I like radical idea because it plays with Kefnet really nicely, but Opt is definitely better. I have been thinking I need some counterspells.
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Post Post #7703 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:43 am

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In post 7701, popsofctown wrote:I wonder if basing UR around Uncaged Fury could be good. Could get some oops-I-wins.
This could be a fun addition to my deck
I was also thinking I could slot a repeated reverbrations or two in there, because it goes nuts with Ral and my deck is already pretty grindy. Don't know whatto cut for it tho.
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Post Post #7704 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:46 am

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If you want to more-win with Ral you should run more copies of Expansion//Explosion to go infinite.
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Post Post #7705 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:11 am

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Eh I could but I think I’m winning plenty without the combo
Also I’ve already had one game where I screwed up the combo because Arena can’t handle infinites apparently
But I might make a version of the deck that pushes for that
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Post Post #7706 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:22 am

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In post 7697, popsofctown wrote:I'm pretty skeptical of that. The one thing even worse than Dies to Removal is Dies to Combat. Chandra dies to combat without getting an opportunity to generate at least 1 card worth of value, unlike Davriel, Narset, Tef3ri, and baby Vivien.
She guarantees a card of value if you play her as a 5 drop but then why not cast Nicol Bolas, Dragon God and have 5 loyalty instead of 2?
this is fair but also why not both

also yeah, I guess Grixis Superfriends plays maybe 3x 6drops between Dreadhorde Lili (2nd 0) and Chandra (loyalty 0) so maybe it's too cute but I wanna make it work

I'm really big on 3cmc Chandra, I think she's great
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Post Post #7707 (ISO) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:38 pm

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she is.

Baby Chandra is one of the better cards printed this set
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Post Post #7708 (ISO) » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 7706, InflatablePie wrote:Grixis Superfriends ... maybe it's too cute but I wanna make it work
you wanna know what's even cuter and something I just lost to

Jace Cunning Castaway -5 ability copied by Bolas, clones Bolas

Chandra 0, loyalty increases each Bolas by 1, other Bolas' copy the loyalty-0 and then keep -5ing for more clones til you get one (or more) at 8 that can ult
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Post Post #7709 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:31 pm

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oh my god I love it
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Post Post #7710 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:32 pm

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Oh it's predicated on "untapping with Bolas" so it's godawful more-win.

If Cunning Castaway Ult costed 4 it'd be a real deck
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Post Post #7711 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 pm

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https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card ... eid=443088

Is normally what I saw used in that deck. Makes it more clunky but wins on the spot.
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Post Post #7712 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:11 pm

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In post 7711, chamber wrote:https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card ... eid=443088

Is normally what I saw used in that deck. Makes it more clunky but wins on the spot.
With 6 or 7 lands in play you are untapping with a walker after resolving a 5 mana enchantment that did little/nothing so you still "deserved to win" and it's still not compelling.
However since Jace is a humble 3 mana you can actually just do this when you get your 8th land and at that point I find it really compelling. Especially if there's a permanent the Oath could have blinked in the first place that would make this 8th land more likely (maybe an explore package or something?). This sounds like it might be a real deck. A key element to it staying competitive would be counter magic and Vraska's contempt staying bad due to the idea that someone might play t3feri
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Post Post #7713 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:35 pm

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Well I made it all the way to Silver 1 with my Red-Blue deck.
Still hunting for Enigma Drakes to finish up the build though.
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Post Post #7714 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:16 pm

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In post 7713, Inferno390 wrote:Well I made it all the way to Silver 1 with my Red-Blue deck.
Still hunting for Enigma Drakes to finish up the build though.
Do you not have uncommon wildcards to craft them?
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Post Post #7715 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:54 pm

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I don’t have an original of the card itself.
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Post Post #7716 (ISO) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:15 pm

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You don't need one before you can craft it.
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Post Post #7717 (ISO) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:53 am

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Oh I did not know that.
Well Ixwas ctacking M19 packs for no reason.
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Post Post #7718 (ISO) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 7717, Inferno390 wrote:Oh I did not know that.
Well Ixwas ctacking M19 packs for no reason.
Yeah, you just have to go to crafting and then filter to allow for "Not Collected" cards. It's way more hidden than it should be.
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Post Post #7719 (ISO) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:19 am

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Guys
I made it to gold rank 4
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Post Post #7720 (ISO) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:57 am

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Last night I had this horrible dream where all the key pieces for Mono-Red stayed in Standard after rotation
It was awful
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Post Post #7721 (ISO) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:35 am

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I'm pretty sure the deck will remain horrifying. M20 has a good red one drop and the new set is pretty likely to have a replacement. Footlight Fiend probably isn't even tragic, Mogg Fanatic was thing in mono red once. Viashino Pyromancer is pretty replaceable. Wizard's Lightning is only better than Skewer because it is needed to defeat Wildgrowth Walker more effectively, and red not needing to fight that card at all any longer is huge. The card advantage engines would be likely irreplaceable but neither go away, Chandra and Frenzy stay.
Goblin Chainwhirler is a huge loss if you refuse to touch any land cards, but it's a large part of the reason the deck refuses to splash. It will be a loss overall but if the land cycle in the new set is good then the red deck gets to splash a color to get something really useful. I'm not sure which color you splash but 2/2 flying haste seems strong with red giant growth in the format for one. If the land cycle in the new set is NOT good, it's hard to splash, but even more of your opponents are playing clunky tapped lands so they're even easier to run down.
Cerulean Drake seems to be a much larger downgrade for red deck wins than rotation can possibly be but it doesn't affect best of 1.
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Post Post #7722 (ISO) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:14 am

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Viashino Pyromancer is already worse in mono-red than Burning Prophet.
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Post Post #7723 (ISO) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:16 am

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I didn't know, there you go, deck should be sick.
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Post Post #7724 (ISO) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:37 am

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So I settled on neoform for MC Barcelona. Here's to hoping everyone leaves their Force of Negations at home...
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