Dota 2 Thread: REBORN SOURCE 2 HYPETRAIN NOBRAKES

[Katsuki]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12QJ ... obilebasic

Some pretty good quick reading on the intricacies of playing support.

[Katsuki]

After a year or so, finally back up to 5K.

[thenewearth]

A little bit late post because I forgot to but

For anyone who actually cares about the lore of dota and/or just fascinated about lore in general

SirActionSlacks has started a new series called Loregasm

[thenewearth]

Episode 2 has been out and its all about everyone's favorite Carry, Phantom Assassin

[vonflare]

massive matchmaking update!

http://blog.dota2.com/2017/04/matchmaking-update/

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So good.

[thenewearth]

They actually listen

[theplague42]

Ranked is saved

[Katsuki]

Really wish valve would stop balancing based on reddit whining. People whining about parties for example, out of 2.6k ranked matches I've never experienced players throwing because "party mmr". Hell I rarely got parties in my ranked games to begin with, maybe 1 every 100 games. Queuing as a 2-stack with a friend for party was already pretty much impossible since early Feb, as we'd couldn't find any games even with 40min queues (we gave up eventually after numerous attempts as it was impossible to find a game despite hours of combined queuing). Smurfs have never been a glaring problem either.

On the topic of account buying, sure people buy, but again, it was nowhere near as dramatic as it was made out to be. People need outlets to blame, and half the time people play as if they bought their account anyways. Hell, I remember one game I got a CM on my team who had obviously bought their account (exceedingly clear based on their movement, actions, and being lv5 14mins into the game). However, despite them being an acc buyer who had no idea what they were doing at that MMR, they never stopped buying wards and sents despite people on my team flaming, and we were able to win. The funniest thing was, our mid and carry played some of the most brainless dota with their constant feeding so they wern't even in a position to flame since they had to get carried.

As someone who is loathe to give out any personal information, I especially dislike the mobile number lock too. Don't want to give a number for my main let alone my smurf.

tl;dr reading the constant bitching on reddit is one thing but the fact that valve actually base their design off of whiners is rather discouraging. Players always find a way to blame everyone except themselves for losing.

[vonflare]

international battle pass is up

looks meh

[D3f3nd3r]

Been playing a bit recently after a long hiatus and wow, I do suck.

[pickemgenius]

wowee theres been some srs dotaing at ti so far.

leeeeeets goooooo.


oyea heres my predictions:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/User:P ... ional_2017

[D3f3nd3r]

Not China finds a way!

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Anyone else playing a lot lately and desperate for the meta to change?

Veno, necro, lich, bloodseeker, earthshaker, spirit breaker, etc all need to leave the meta for a while. Although I've been getting free wins by picking lich so I guess my hands aren't completely clean.

[Katsuki]

I dunno, I didn't see those heroes as much as everyone seems to say while I was playing last month. I've run into Lich almost never both pre and post TI.

If anything, feels like one of the best patches I've ever played. No disgustingly obnoxious heroes in every game for me at least.

Just looking at my past 5 games, there were 22 different heroes picked out of a potential 25 on the enemy team, with the only repeats being Jug, Ogre and Rub at once a piece. Funny enough, both teams included, aside from my hero, rub was the most picked.

[vonflare]

is radiance actually good on bloodseeker I dont understand like I see people build it but why is it good

why not get like literally anything else. linkens, bkb, S&Y, butterfly. why is radiance being rushed on blood instead of one of these?

[Katsuki]

ya its super good. Speeds up your farming immensely + dps. BS is a mediocre farmer.

Radiance in general is a farm accelerator (think alch/ember/spec/nec)

p.s. thanks for posting while I was adding soething mate

[Katsuki]

I don't play BS but keep in mind that his builds are rather flexible so you want to build in accordance to your game (your team comp, enemy team comp, game state/progression, etc)

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3420355559
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3426741577

one game BS went rad, the other game BS didn't because we had a nec going rad

[vonflare]

I just dont understand why you would build rad on a hero without illusions/core manta because that's like half the value of a radiance getting the illusion aura

there's better farm accelerators than radiance. I guess its better lategame than a bfury/midas though

[Katsuki]

hmm dunno how to explain it, but if you try bfury BS you'd probably find your teamfight impact and farm speed far inferior to rad.

Midas is nowhere near radiance in terms of farm acceleration.

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I dunno, I didn't see those heroes as much as everyone seems to say while I was playing last month.

Most of them feel more recent than past month to me, maybe like past couple weeks. I am also a little biased because i've been watching a lot of FPL games and those heroes are all picked a

ton

there. Necrophos is probably the biggest offender by a decent margin. 6th in popularity and a 56.6% winrate in pubs, which goes down a little in upper brackets but not much.

is radiance actually good on bloodseeker I dont understand like I see people build it but why is it good

I think part of the reason radiance is good on him is because his q amplifies the damage which means radiance on bs does more aoe damage than radiance on a typical hero. He is also a hero with no good farming aoe except for his silence which isn't good for farming neutral creeps, and despite his q his attack animation isn't the best for farming like an AM or a jug. Radiance is just a really strong item imo. I think the only real downside to it is the buildup. Bloodseeker also has an uncanny ability to stay alive in teamfights if he can get a single kill, similar to necrophos, and apart from being good on illusion heroes it's also good in general on heroes who can stay alive longer in fights since it does consistent damage. Battle fury doesn't offer him all that much because he doesn't generally autoattack groups of heroes because he'll be focusing on whoever he ruptured, and both the health regen and mana regen are wasted on him because he doesn't use mana to farm all that much and he gets health regen for free while farming. Midas is okay on him situationally. But yeah it's not an every game item but i think it is probably good in general.

Looking at my last five games (all solo queue), just for the heroes I listed: three have necrophos (two on the enemy team, one on mine). One has veno (enemy). Two have lich (one me, one enemy team). Three have spirit breaker (two on my team, one enemy). No bloodseekers or earthshakers. So I'm maybe exaggerating it but like 3/5 of past games picked at random for two of the six i listed is pretty significant.

[Katsuki]

im kinda sad with fpl now because can't watch these high lv pubs in game anymore but w.e, you get to hear their communication in stream

if youre gonna get midas on BS don't go rad, but imo going for rad is far better than midas. There are other early game items that are really good on BS that will allow you to bridge the gap between the timing for your rad. The reason why midas is not as great on BS is because he peaks way earlier than most cores and is a particularly strong anti-carry, so you want to take advantage of your strong early/mid game window.

ya nec is strong overall but i don't feel like he needs significant nerfs. The usual nec counters arent strong in the current meta which helps him a lot.

For all the lich complaints I've heard, I never see him in my matches. :/ Same with sb

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For all the lich complaints I've heard, I never see him in my matches. :/ Same with sb

I've been gaining mmr partially by spamming lich but it's sort of irrelevant because I only started solo queueing recently and so i was way below what I should have been. All of lich's skills are incredibly good on their own, and since they kept buffing sacrifice's cooldown he lacks the normal weakness of a support of being underleveled. He has an ult that can straight win teamfights and he has an ability similar to witch doctor to solo kill enemy cores as a support given the right circumstances and a bit of luck. His only material weakness is that he's a position 5 with no stuns which can be compensated for. The only thing that's really considered a counter to him (other than bkb/pipe) is diffusal for ice armor but popping a diffusal charge to take off a buff with a 4 or 5 second cooldown feels kind of shitty.

Sb might just be good because of the meta with winning mid and lanes in general being so crucial, he might not be broken on his own.

What counters to necro are you referring to? The main thing I think of as a necro counter is mixed dps to capitalize on when ghost shroud is down. He's sort of really strong at all stages of the game except for, to a degree, the very beginning (kind of weak laner in some cases but not always) and very end (not the best scaling core if the game goes very late, but again, can situationally be a very good scaler) so it's hard to counter him on a high level with something like outcarrying him or taking midgame teamfights or pushing early or etc.

(in case it's not obvious i'm also just vaguely trying to revive this thread bc i play too much dota these days)

[Katsuki]

Feels like the thing with Lich is that he's not good against a lot of the lineups in the current meta, but I haven't really touched or played against Lich enough to say. He was very strong in TI as a mid-lane sup, but you don't see that in pubs.

I agree that SB is in a good place right now, just don't see him that often.

None of the sups that are good against Nec are popular right now (dazzle, AA, oracle, SD, omni, bane), and the cores that are traditionally strong against nec (AM, husk, pl, somewhat OD/LC) either don't have a good way of bypassing shroud or just aren't in meta. Essentially, thinking about it the counters for Nec are more support/team comp based, but since none of the supports that make Nec's life hard are picked, he's free to run rampant.

[vonflare]

willow is fun and strong

pangolier is weak imo