Dota 2 Thread: REBORN SOURCE 2 HYPETRAIN NOBRAKES

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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:20 pm

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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:50 pm

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That's a totally sensible course of action from DS & Windrunner.
Ganking the Jungle blind while 4 heroes are missing from the map is a surefire recipe for failure.

Especially when two of them have on-demand invisibility and can be following your every move.

P.S. Terrible supports blame bad teammates, good supports make their teammates great.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:52 pm

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That's a very cute slar.

P-EDIT: DS is a pretty fail forest ganker anyways. Unless he's chasing. But he shouldn't be getting the kills
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:56 pm

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In post 102, Katsuki wrote:That's a very cute slar.
Tidehunter.
Sladar isn't in that comic.

In order of appearance:
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:00 pm

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I meant tide.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:46 pm

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Why do i not seem to have anyone on my steam friends list who dotars? :<
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:08 pm

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In post 105, Neruz wrote:Why do i not seem to have anyone on my steam friends list who dotars? :<

I know I'm on your friends list and I was playing just last night. I think my name is Xio in the client.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:55 pm

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It's still hard to get adjusted to the fact that Battle Hunger is the reason Axe is good, rather than being a useless expensive mana sink.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:34 pm

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I have never seen Xio on playing...

Battle Hunger is an useless expensive mana sink... The math's been done on it before... unless they buffed it in the past 6 months.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:52 pm

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Battle Hunger makes people cry.
Yes, it can do next to nothing if you use it poorly, but it deals lots of damage and obliterates supports in teamfight standoffs.
1/4/1/1 is the way to build Axe.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:12 pm

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The math was done in that Battle Hunger deals next to no damage.. >.>

(This is that dmg over time spell yes?)
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:25 pm

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It's a 600 damage nuke at level 7 if you can't dispel it. It's HUGE.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:01 pm

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Played four games yesterday with a group of friends, for the first time since long. So much fun when you're playing with people you know.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:58 pm

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Battle Hunger is one of Axe's best skills, it forces enemies to commit fully to an attack because if you try and run away BAM say bye bye to 300 - 600 health.

The trick is knowing when to use it properly; BH is very easy to waste and turn into a useless mana sink, but when wielded properly it destroys dudes.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:04 pm

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Battle Hunger is great for punishing people with poor lane control and/or last hitting skills and forcing fights later on. I can see why you'd think it was a mana sink if you were using it in lane, but that's not how you should really be using it.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:17 pm

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Basically Battle Hunger is a tool that forces the person you slam it on to either attack something or take a big blob of damage. Forcing that kind of choice on an enemy caster or support can right royally fuck up team cohesion.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:24 pm

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I thought it was a mana sink way back when in the before times, when it was widely regarded as one of the worst skills and something you skill levels 22-25.
Since the multitude of buffs, this is no longer the case.

It's ESPECIALLY good in the laning phase.
It doesn't matter if they are the king of last hitting if you cast it on them as a wave expires. They're forced to take a considerable amount of damage without any chance of removal.
It doesn't force anyone to attack you at all though.
It might force them to burn some mana to ensure they kill a creep, but they won't ever turn around to kill you unless you are literally the only thing in reach and it's actually slightly possible that they could kill you.

The major downside is that it's still expensive as hell on a hero with mana issues, but that's why Arcane Boots were invented. Tranquils and a Soul Ring could also suffice.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:27 am

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Mana Boots Axe is the way to go.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:10 am

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In post 116, Darox wrote:I thought it was a mana sink way back when in the before times, when it was widely regarded as one of the worst skills and something you skill levels 22-25.
Since the multitude of buffs, this is no longer the case.

It's ESPECIALLY good in the laning phase.
It doesn't matter if they are the king of last hitting if you cast it on them as a wave expires. They're forced to take a considerable amount of damage without any chance of removal.
It doesn't force anyone to attack you at all though.
It might force them to burn some mana to ensure they kill a creep, but they won't ever turn around to kill you unless you are literally the only thing in reach and it's actually slightly possible that they could kill you.

The major downside is that it's still expensive as hell on a hero with mana issues, but that's why Arcane Boots were invented. Tranquils and a Soul Ring could also suffice.


That's the point; if you're using it and you (or your allies) are not the only available targets then you've probably used it wrong; the spell forces a choice between attack something or take damage, good usage ensures that the 'something' is
very dangerous.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:03 am

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PLAY LUNA STACK ANCIENTS WIN GAME
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:14 am

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Except there's the 25% spell resistance... (30% in wc3 I'm sure) So at best it's only 450dmg over 19sec... Then you factor in hp regen in that time and yeah. Probably works nice on squishy heroes that have no handy creep-killing spell or OOM.
Unless I'm still going by my old WC3 ladder logic in that the damage said is normal not factoring in hero resistance.
That speed buff they added in makes it much better though.

Also just saw 25% speed buff added for his ulti and lols.

I would be curious to see a BH axe played right now, since admittedly I'm still viewing things from my antiquated wc3 Dota perspective.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:29 am

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In post 117, BBmolla wrote:battle hunger rubick is the way to go.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:30 am

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In post 120, Katsuki wrote:30% in wc3 I'm sure

I'm p sure that it was 25% in WC3, too. I'll try to test it now.
Edit: oh wow, you're right.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:56 am

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Yeah guess they didn't change it for dota (or couldn't since the 30% was built in from ladder).
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:09 am

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Nah, the Mresist % is changeable; this much I know and I know that it's 25% in dota1.
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