LoL eSports Discussion

[zoraster]

There goes NA. It's just gonna be C9 again, most likely.

Why the fuck aren't TSM doing anything early?

Come on dude. You always go straight for the histrionics. They have to beat FW and MSF. not exactly undoable.

[zoraster]

Sorry voided. Think I got you crossed up with kaleidoscope.

Edit. Oh wait, no. There's just a lot of overreaction in this thread to go around. Tsm looked awful but this was a snowballed game. They have a weakness that will be hard to cover, but they only need to do so against two beatable teams.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hey, TSM were supposed to come out of this group first seed. That becomes a lot harder now. Sure, MSF vs TSM is the important match right now if FW cant take a game of someone, but chances are quarters is now the highest they can achieve

[Cabd]

That was brutal to watch. I'm sorta embracing the NA week two meme now.

[Voidedmafia]

Sorry voided. Think I got you crossed up with kaleidoscope.

Edit. Oh wait, no.

Like, I get your point. I am extremely fatalistic/pessimistic compared to your optimism, and it's not like they can't still win against MSF and FW.

But their early game has been a huge gaping hole this entire groups, and WE was the first to expose it really hard and shut them down by playing to that early game (and doing it so damn well in the process). And both games TSM didn't get to their mid-late game goals, they lost pretty hard.

I'm just finding it very hard to believe that this is just TSM believing they can still make it late and/or testing the waters on late-game comps. They

must

adapt and not play so hard to the late game against Misfits or else they're out. That's all there is to it. And I haven't seen anything in their playstyle that suggests they're willing or able to do so; sven has been a huge liability for them, pretty much since MSI for the most part, which has kept Hauntzer, Bjergsen and DL having a chance to shine or do anything, it seems. It's like I hve to hoe this is one huge-ass kick in the crotch for them to realize they can't just ignore the early game because I can guarantee that almost no other team that has or will make it out will let that slide. Fnatic would be the only one I can think of, but they're both going to be #2 seeds if TSM even makes it.

P-EDIT: Yeah. Which is still an improvement since it means two teams made it out this year, but not the improvement we want.

[Lycanfire]

I imagine WE vs FW is chinese porn.

[Voidedmafia]

TSM HAS to win both games or they're out or at absolute best get a tiebreak with MSF by winning that game. If they lose to MSF, they're out and EU gets 2 in.

C9 should have a far better day if they beat AHQ, but for fuck's sake...

[Cabd]

#tsmtilt

[Cabd]

Like Double just straight up inted there.

[Voidedmafia]

#tsmtilt

This is what happens when you say "screw early game" and you don't have Korean-level play to make up for it. And now it costs TSM the entire tournament.

P-EDIT: Okay, they had

one

teamfight. Need more than that.

[Voidedmafia]

That was way too close for anyone's liking. Biofrost is still a god on Rakan.

Their early game is still such a big hole, though. I can't feel relieved until I know that part of it is at least somewhat patched if not fully fixed

[PJ.]

Dang son. Tsm won y'all

[Cabd]

I am up for overnight server patching and my heart is so weak now.

[Cabd]

NB4 FW plays spoiler...

[Voidedmafia]

NB4 FW plays spoiler...

They will.

[SleepyKrew]

what the fuck lmao

[Voidedmafia]

Like, what the fuck. I just...

Why?!

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

LOL,

Why would you want control of your fate in your own hands

[Voidedmafia]

It doesn't even matter anymore if TSM manages to make it out. They just utterly destroyed any amount of credit they have at Worlds or international tournaments becuse THEY CAN'T FUCKING LEARN TO PLAY THE EARLY GAME WORTH A DAMN.

It's the easiest shit in the world: You lost the early game all of week one. Best respons?

Don't double down on only late-game.

Is it really that hard to think "oh, we're failing at playing early. We should definitely try to shore that up so we at least don't lose so hard," because it's pretty obvious TSM never fucking bothered. They don't deserve to advance even if they do, and to be frank I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.

[Voidedmafia]

And yes, I'm really upset because this was a very easily preventable situation. Ridiculously so. I can give some leeway in the WE game because the Caitlyn pick was really unconventional for the meta and WE played their siege comp pretty much to perfection, but TSM still could've tried to upset their plan by being proacive. Either put Cait down or play to put Hauntzer or Bergsen ahead more than they were, and Sven utterly failed at that (and has failed pretty much every game). Maybe they still would've lost due to WE's crispnes, but it wouldn't have been such a stomp. The Misfits game could've been a lot less of a comeback if they hadn't misplayed the early game. And the FW game was just..stupid play. Utterly stupid play.

This has been almost a more trying Worlds than 2015.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Well, they have another chance

[SleepyKrew]

I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.

they should win NA and then decline the worlds appearance right

[Lady Lambdadelta]

TSM FIGHTING!

[Voidedmafia]

I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.

they should win NA and then decline the worlds appearance right

Obviously they won't do that, but they can't really hold their heads high on an international stage, can they?

Sven needs to go, I think. Either to take a sabbatical like DL or just go altogether.

P-EDIT: I'd say just pack it up, LLD. Misfits has been looking far better than TSM today, despite the loss at TSM.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I think TSM take it but the community will still hate them