The Nasuverse (Fate/Stay, Tsukihime, Kara No Kyoukai)

[InflatablePie]

Marathoned Fate/Zero over the course of Monday and Tuesday and holy crap it was good. Very different feel from Fate/Stay and definitely not in a bad way.

also (warning - has at least one-two HF spoilers):


ALSO:

Spoiler: Heaven's Feel & FateZero

Puppies!

[Cabd]

You're welcome!

[kanyeknowsbest]

Yes and no. The official cannon route is basically HF except that

Ilya isn't dead

They had yet to settle this before publuishing ataraxia, but future works form the series accept that as the true ending.

For example, Battle Moon Wars, the Fate/stay route has them searching

For a puppet master to craft Shirou a new doll like body, and the party is unaware of FSN-archer's true identity.

I mean, hell, in BMW

The shirou-sakura combo attack is called "love love projection fist"

dnunno why you would quote battle moon wars 4 nething its not official or even remotely cannon or fcuking nething!!!!!

also seriously smh if you actually ship shirouxsakura

[esuriospiritus]

shirou x kotomine OTP

They totally had chemistry in that HF scene in the Chinese restaurant

[esuriospiritus]

Finished Heaven's Feel, finally.

Spoiler: HF spoilers, duh

I called Sakura being in some way the same as or entwined with the shadow from the moment it shows up after Caster dies in Ryuudou Temple. It was before you even see what the shadow looks like, I think (first time is during one of the first interactions with Zouken?). After Shirou and Saber leave the temple, there's a brief moment where you hear a distinctly female gasping noise coming from it, and I somehow just

knew

at that moment. I can't even explain why that tipped me off because it isn't that easy to tell from just a gasp who a person is, but ... it was like once I knew it gasped like a human, there was no other person it could possibly be. The dead end if you don't have enough Sakura affection the first time you encounter the shadow was also a dead giveaway even if I hadn't already figured it out. So I'm a little disappointed that wasn't more subtle because it just led to me yelling at Shirou to just murder Sakura already for like 10 days of the story.

On that note, I

really

don't like Sakura. She's just plain annoying in the beginning (senpai senpai senpai senpai senpai senpai senpai? I neeeeeed you, senpai!) and only marginally less annoying as the story progresses. I found her to be way too whiny and pathetic even allowing for her upbringing and circumstances. You ever meet any real life people exposed to years and years of trauma? I have, and not a single one of them whines about it that fucking much. They may still have bad days, but overall they get over it and move on. People in real life are way more resilient than Sakura which just makes her seem like her entire character is "weak girl who needs a man to fix her."

Things I did like: more Illya, more Kotomine, and some more really interesting music. I actually grew to really like Kotomine by the end. I mean, he's a bastard and he monologues for days and days, but his character is just way more

interesting

than, say, a certain purple-haired chick <_< and he definitely has his badass and/or likeable moments. I hated Illya in Fate but loved her by the time I got a few days into HF. Getting to know Rider was also very cool. Some of the twists managed to catch me off guard even though the sakura = shadow one didn't, so that was good. (Never in a million years would have seen the whole sister thing coming, and IIRC sakura being a master threw me for a loop, too.)

Mostly, I wish every visual novel had Tiger Dogos now. It's such an amazing way to be like, hey, you fucked up and something creepy or depressing or terrible probably happened, so here's some silliness to balance it out! I also found it really helpful when not using a guide because they dropped just the right amount of hints to help pick the right choices... only to end up at the next Dojo 30 minutes later, haha.

[Hayate Yagami]

So, out of curiosity, are the Fate/stay routes as long-winded as some of the Tsukihime rotues were? Because I didn't have all that much issue with the writing itself, but the long-windedness kind of got to me a bit.

[Quilford]

Parama tried to get me into Fate/Stay Night aaages ago but ugh it's too slow going

[Cabd]

So, out of curiosity, are the Fate/stay routes as long-winded as some of the Tsukihime rotues were? Because I didn't have all that much issue with the writing itself, but the long-windedness kind of got to me a bit.

Yes. Two of the three routes take forever to get really going. The third pretty much assumes you didn't sleep through the first two and fires up early.

[esuriospiritus]

Finished watching Fate Zero. It was pretty good but I almost wish I'd actually watched it before reading the visual novels so more things would be new to me. Oh well.

On another note I found this and it's kind of amazing

[Konowa]

Just finished Fate Zero. I enjoyed it a lot.

[Konowa]

Just found Fate/Stay Night. Watching is commencing.

[InflatablePie]

Fate/stay Night 2006 or Fate/stay Night 2014?

I... wouldn't

recommend

the 2006 one but I watched it and it wasn't the worst thing ever, just a lot worse than the VN/Zero between the animation and some of the storytelling choices. I'd recommend starting the (currently airing) anime (Unlimited Blade Works) or maybe just reading the first route of the VN.

Nevertheless, report back with thoughts.

[Seohyun]

hey, when i watched DEEN/stay night back in 2006 it was the best thing ever

[Seohyun]

Yes and no. The official cannon route is basically HF except that

Ilya isn't dead

They had yet to settle this before publuishing ataraxia, but future works form the series accept that as the true ending.

For example, Battle Moon Wars, the Fate/stay route has them searching

For a puppet master to craft Shirou a new doll like body, and the party is unaware of FSN-archer's true identity.

I mean, hell, in BMW

The shirou-sakura combo attack is called "love love projection fist"

But in hollow ataraxia everything is canon at the same time because of

avenger being the one to create the world. So there's not really anything to settle there.

And literally everything is canon in Nasu-verse because nasu 2scared to commit to one route. Nasu's explanation for BMW if it wasn't just a for fun thing would just be "kaleidoscope"

[esuriospiritus]

An uncanny resemblance:

Spoiler: most recent UBW episode

[InflatablePie]

Spoiler: MERRY HOLIDAYS FROM LORD KAYNETH EL-MELLOI ARCHIBALD

[esuriospiritus]

uhhh... wut

[Seohyun]

Japan has this weird obsession with kayneth

[esuriospiritus]

Spoiler: I found Saber in GW2 (identity spoilers)

[lufan131]

I think I need to get around to finishing the game of /stay night. I liked both anime, so I'd like the game most likely.

[esuriospiritus]

Spoiler: new UBW anime episode 15

This looks so wrong out of context.

[Cabd]

The new season's real name is
"Unlimited Budget Works" clearly because hot damn that animation quality.

[lufan131]

That budget seriously doesn't end!