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The Nasuverse (Fate/Stay, Tsukihime, Kara No Kyoukai)

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:29 am

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Figured I'd make a place to discuss it and or help people discover this goldmine of storytelling.


The main series:

Tsukihime (Visual Novel)
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Tsukihime (2000)
is a visual novel about Shiki Tohno, a second year high school student of Misaki Town, who suffered a life-threatening injury when he was young. When he regained consciousness, Shiki was able to see "death lines", lines by which things will eventually break when they die. This includes the death of inanimate objects as well as living beings and undead beings. The story has him fighting various beings, including vampires and mages. It is lightly pornographic in nature, but the English language patch includes an option to disable the hentai. The game can be purchased online, or downloaded I suppose if you're into that, and the English Patch can be found on Mirror Moon's website. The game features routes for 5 females.

Kagetsu Tohya (2001)
is a one-year sequel visual novel to Tsukihime. You'll want to have played the main game first. This too has a fan translation into English.

Melty Blood (2004)
is a series of arcade-style 2D fighting games. It serves as a sequel, where a few new characters are introduced, and sets which route from Tsukihime is defined as cannon. Older editions require a fan translation from Mirror Moon, but newer releases have English versions available for game consoles.

Lunar Legend Tsukihime
is an animation adaptation of the visual novel. It is well known in the fandom for being an absolutely terrible version of the story, adding tons of plot holes and errors, with no new content to show for it.

Fate/Stay Night (Visual Novel)
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Fate/Stay Night (2004)
is a visual novel with adult content focusing upon a war between 7 mages and their summoned servants for the Holy Grail. It is known for its heavy emphasis on story telling and action over hentai. The game features routes for three female leads. It can be purchased online through Jlist or other import stores, as well as at local conventions. Many regard this as one of the best stories ever seen in a visual novel. The English fan translation is available from Mirror Moon.

Fate/Stay Night: Realta Nua (2007)
is an all ages version of fate/stay night for the play station two. It added in voices to each scene. The voices from this disk can be patched into the PC version using Mirror Moon's patch.

Fate/Hollow Ataraxia (2005)
is a 6-month sequel to Fate/Stay Night, and establishes the Heaven's Feel route as the cannon ending of the first game. It introduces several new characters, as well as elaborates upon the background of established ones. The fan translation for this game is nearly complete but not fully finished, it is available in 100% beta form at TLwiki http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.ph ... on-Patches

Fate/Stay Night (2006 Studio Deen)
is an animation adaptation of the Fate route from the novel, focusing primarily upon the heroine Saber. It was good at the time, but has since been quite outdone.

Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works (2010 Studio Deen)
is an animated movie edition of the second route of the visual novel, focusing upon the heroine Rin, and her servant, Archer.

Fate/Zero (2006)
is a light novel (book) that serves as a prequel to the main series, telling of the prior holy grail war. It is notable for being a collaboration between Type-Moon's Nasu and Gen Urobutchi, of Nitroplus fame. It contains a ton of spoilers for the main game, so you'll want to be familiar with all three endings first.

Fate/Zero (2011)
is an animation adaptation of the prequel light novel, done by Ufotable in style. It contains a ton of spoilers for the main game, so you'll want to be familiar with all three endings first.

Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma (2013)
is a magical girl spinoff animation focusing upon a side character from the main novels, Ilya. It contains spoilers for Fate/Stay, Fate/Zero and Fate/Ataraxia, so watch it last.

Fate/Stay Night: Unlimtied Blade Works (2014)
is the currently airing long-form animation adaptation of the second route of the visual novel, focusing upon the heroine Rin, and her servant, Archer.

Fate/Tiger Colosseum (2007)
is a miniature fighting game published for the PSP. No English version exists as of yet.

Fate/Unlimtied Codes (2008)
is an arcade fighting series for the fate series on PS2, published by Capcom. No English release is currently available due to liscensing issues, but it was sold in the US at one time.

Fate/Extra (2010)
is a RPG published for the PSP that allows you to become your own character within the universe and summon your own servant. There is an English release of the game available on the PSN.


Kara No Kyoukai (Movie Series)
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There are 7 films in all, as well as a light novel, but I'll just cover the films.

Overlooking View (2007)
A Study In Murder 1 (2007)
Remaining Sense of Pain (2008)
The Hollow Shrine (2008)
Paradox Spiral (2008)
Oblivion Recording (2008)
A Study In Murder 2 (2009)



Works that require knowledge of all three to view spoiler-free:

Battle Moon Wars (Turn Based Strategy Game)
Carnival Phantasm (Animation containing parody of all three main works)
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:17 am

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tsukihime was pretty interesting.

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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:57 pm

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Hey peg. I don't know if you're using a walkthrough or not, but make sure when you get to day 12 that you select 'no, we're fasting today' when you see that option. Trust me, it's worth it.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:00 pm

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There's actually a bonus scene for getting every single ending, including the 30odd bad ones, btw
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:52 pm

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I've gotten every tiger dojo so far, so I should be good?
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:04 pm

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In post 2, esuriospiritus wrote:Hey peg. I don't know if you're using a walkthrough or not, but make sure when you get to day 12 that you select 'no, we're fasting today' when you see that option. Trust me, it's worth it.


ya I will. noted.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:10 pm

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I've seen fate stay/night fate zero. And read some spoilers, mostly about archer. How worthwhile would reading the VN be?
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:32 am

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Were the spoilers about
UBW
Archer's identity
? If so, that sucks. :(

Fate/Stay Night (DEEN) followed the Fate route with some minor spoilers from other routes (notably
UBW/DEEN
Archer's Noble Phantasm
and
HF/DEEN
Rin and Sakura's relationship
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I'd say it's worth it to read the VN if you like VNs and/or really like the Fate universe, but if you've seen the DEEN anime recently the Fate route might be slightly boring. I saw it years ago, so it was more of a refresher to me as I slowly remembered what happened. But at the same time, I think you'll be fine if you just watched along with ufotable's adaptations. You can always play the VN later if you want the full experience. It's about 30-50 hours of reading, so it's a solid timesink.
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:38 am

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If you enjoy sakura as a character, that's what the VN has that the others don't as of yet. Her story line is pretty solid and lengthy.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:04 am

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In post 7, InflatablePie wrote:Were the spoilers about
UBWArcher's identity
? If so, that sucks. :(


Spoiler:
I actually figured this out the first time during the fate route. Go back and re-read and ALL of the dots are there to be connected.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:49 pm

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In post 9, Cabd wrote:
In post 7, InflatablePie wrote:Were the spoilers about
UBWArcher's identity
? If so, that sucks. :(


Spoiler:
I actually figured this out the first time during the fate route. Go back and re-read and ALL of the dots are there to be connected.


Spoiler:
I also put it together on my own, but didn't understand how it was possible and figured the VN talked about it more so read about his past
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:50 pm

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In post 7, InflatablePie wrote:Were the spoilers about
UBW
Archer's identity
? If so, that sucks. :(

Fate/Stay Night (DEEN) followed the Fate route with some minor spoilers from other routes (notably
UBW/DEEN
Archer's Noble Phantasm
and
HF/DEEN
Rin and Sakura's relationship
). I think F/Z also spoils some major HF stuff but I haven't seen it.

I'd say it's worth it to read the VN if you like VNs and/or really like the Fate universe, but if you've seen the DEEN anime recently the Fate route might be slightly boring. I saw it years ago, so it was more of a refresher to me as I slowly remembered what happened. But at the same time, I think you'll be fine if you just watched along with ufotable's adaptations. You can always play the VN later if you want the full experience. It's about 30-50 hours of reading, so it's a solid timesink.


I haven't watched fate stay/night since it aired, so that was what, like 8 years now?
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:43 pm

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You're probably fine to watch UBW into the eventual HF movie, but I watched F/SN about 4-5ish years ago and the Fate route of the VN was a nice refresher. You can also drop the VN after the Fate route if you really don't like it or have the time to sink into it. Could probably finish Fate by the time Episode 2 of UBW comes out in like a week and a half, if you have time, since Ep 1 should be the first few days from Shirou's POV and then it splits into UBW proper.

It's also a good start to VNs in general, if you're interested in that kind of thing.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:43 pm

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Also I thought I was so close to beating Heaven's Feel but there's still so much left holy crap.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:48 pm

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In post 14, InflatablePie wrote:Also I thought I was so close to beating Heaven's Feel but there's still so much left holy crap.

Welcome to0 heaven's feel. You know it's getting fucking epic when the one song plays.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:04 pm

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i read Fate/Stay Night a few years back but don't remember a whole lot of it
I should look into the other VNs at some point, probably
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:40 pm

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Finished Heaven's Feel. Can't wait to start Fate/Zero, esurio's still on like Day 13/14 of UBW though so I may have to start and finish it and rewatch it. I suppose there's worse things <_<

also:
HF
Last Episode... omg ;_;


Also also - dat Lancer/Saber battle in last week's UBW. I'm really sad that future eps will only be 30 minutes,
and
there's a few months break apparently in the middle of it? :(
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:43 pm

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Fate/zero has tons of HF spoilers so yeah, you'll want to hold off. Actually I'd suggest reading it then watching it together. The light novel is fully translated and available. Glad you enjoyed HF! Told you the climax was epic! (Also, HF's second ending is the cannonical ending for the series)

Light Novel full in English here: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/?title=Fate/Zero
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:47 pm

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I assume you mean HF True End and not
HF
Normal End - It's spring. It's spring. It's spring.


Although
HF
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Aren't all routes simultaneously canon and not canon and it's a plot point in Fate/Hollow Atraxia? Just going by what I've seen on reddit.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:51 pm

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Yes and no. The official cannon route is basically HF except that
Ilya isn't dead


They had yet to settle this before publuishing ataraxia, but future works form the series accept that as the true ending.

For example, Battle Moon Wars, the Fate/stay route has them searching
For a puppet master to craft Shirou a new doll like body, and the party is unaware of FSN-archer's true identity.


I mean, hell, in BMW
The shirou-sakura combo attack is called "love love projection fist"
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:05 pm

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I finished UBW, whooo!

Overall, I liked it better than the Fate route, but the relative lack of presence of some characters did make me a bit sad. Mainly Illya's appearances were very underwhelming, and I would have liked to see a bit more of Saber. Seeing more Lancer and Archer was very cool though, as was having Archer's identity spelled out (I had a hunch from somewhat early on into the UBW route but was considering it a "crackpot theory" until shortly before the reveal).


I'm planning on going into HF without a walkthrough, and just making separate saves for choices + noting down what choices I make. I'm sure it will take longer to navigate without a walkthrough, but if it means I gain the suspense of not knowing if I'm heading to a dead end until I'm already there, I think that's worth it. I can follow up with a walkthrough later to make sure I didn't miss anything, or go to one if things get too frustrating.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:20 pm

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FATE/ZERO TIME

OMG WORMS

RIDER IS AWESOME

CASTER IS AWESOME

EVERYTHING IS AWESOME

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH


only like 5 eps in but I'm pretty sure I'm marathon-ing this over the next day or two

someone convince esurio to start and read HF quickly and/or watch F/Z beforehand regardless of that being a bad idea
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:48 pm

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"quickly" isn't even an option what with school and all, you know this :|

although there was that one day I ignored all my obligations and spent every waking hour reading UBW, that was fun
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I'm glad you two are enjoying the nasuverse. There's lots more to come, the 100% beta patch for FHA just went live, as well.
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