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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:16 pm

It's a great series.

Sm4sh is obviously the best, but the debate is for 2nd place. Melee or Brawl?

I personally like them both. Melee is more technical and balanced (a competitive game) while Brawl is fun and flashier (a party game). Of course, brawl has a chance to be ruined by meta-knight-fest.

edit: project M is the best smash game
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:16 pm

I like when they say Pikachu is a thunderspammer.

Then I beat them without using thunder.
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:16 pm

Other characters I use: Peach and Dedede
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:44 pm

^ my best friend is a peach main and theres literally nothing more annoying (HA CHAAA)
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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:32 am

I spent much more time on Brawl, so I prefer it.

I gravitate toward characters that let me poke at the fight from the outskirts of it. So any character with projectiles. Snake is great trolling fun, in that regard.
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:14 pm

Brawl is really unfun. They went too far to make it non-competitive and just made the game bad (tripping, physics engine is a viscous fluid, etc).

Melee is my favorite. I'm also friends with the #4 melee player in NorCal.

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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:14 pm

Brawl should have just been project M

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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:16 pm

I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.

And while it is less balanced, it is also more customizable with the stage creator.
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:19 pm

Brawl has a bunch of really cool features on top of a fundamentally broken game.

Balance aside, the physics and mechanics of brawl are fundamentally terrible.

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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:30 pm

Brawl will always be my favorite since I played so much of it in college. I do really like 4 though.

Sakurai did intentionally try to dumb brawl down competitively because Melee was a thing and that is how we ended up with tripping which is universally agreed to be a bad idea. I think its overstated just how bad it was based purely on subjective opinions about the game though.

Brawl's engine was more floaty than any of the others because they were intentionally trying to encourage air combat.

Project M was awful because it was just melee physics in Brawl which
a) just play Melee if you really care, its better than M
b) actually point a covers that just fine.

4 is great so far, although I wish I had more local friends who were really into it.

Random opinions:
Game and Watch went from decent to garbage. He was arguably my best character in Brawl and is no so trash its unreal. I think he is the lightest character in the game if not jiggles. Smash attacks do less knock back / range than they had in brawl. the only thing about him that is still good is the back aerial but that isn't enough.
Roy is OP as fuck and is going to top tierlists in the end. Literally nothing weak about him except his throws but having weak throws is not a big disadvantage at all.
No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:10 pm

Melee will always be my favorite by a mile. It was fast, and didn't contain a whole lot shitty characters I wanted yo strangle... Only Roy comes to mind.

Oh, and I destroyed anyone on Melee as Peach. I cried when her and G&W lost a lot of their power in brawl, although Ness became my new main in Brawl (fuck Lucas fanboys, Ness was better)

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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:03 pm

Melee is the best.
Also, I've taken a game off of WestBallz in tourney. he proceeded to 4 stock me with only 27% damage...
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:42 pm

In post 11, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Melee is the best.
Also, I've taken a game off of WestBallz in tourney. he proceeded to 4 stock me with only 27% damage...


Taking a game off Westballz is pretty amazing though.

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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:56 pm

In post 9, AngryPidgeon wrote:Game and Watch went from decent to garbage. He was arguably my best character in Brawl and is no so trash its unreal. I think he is the lightest character in the game if not jiggles. Smash attacks do less knock back / range than they had in brawl. the only thing about him that is still good is the back aerial but that isn't enough.
Roy is OP as fuck and is going to top tierlists in the end. Literally nothing weak about him except his throws but having weak throws is not a big disadvantage at all.
No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.
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The Game and Watch nerfs were very sad.

I don't really enjoy Sm4sh that much. I think that is because I get dumpstered whenever I play it and so I never want to play so I never get better at it. Vicious little cycle.

I dunno if it is because I am so bad, but it seems to me like there are a lot more gimmicky characters in Sm4sh than there are in Brawl.
Gimmicky to the point that you have to use your own gimmicky character to win.

I loved Brawl. Used to dumpster my friends all the time, until they started playing all these different versions of Brawl like Brawl+, Brawl- (lol so much fun when drunk), Balanced Brawl, and Project M. We switched through so many over the course of 2 months my brain got all fucky and I completely lost the feel for how to play in Project M. Doesn't help that Project M has that annoying air dodge into freefall feature that I absolutely loathe.

Also, my brain got really fucky since Sm4sh. In Brawl, Melee, and regular, I used to almost exclusively use R to shield. Something happened to me and now I almost exclusively use L or fumble between trying to shield and grabbing.

So yeah, in short. I don't play Smash nearly enough anymore and it makes me really sad. :(

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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:42 am

Gimmicky characters aren't a bad thing - adding gimmicks is the best way to allow for character diversity because it gives different characters different things to be good at.

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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:10 am

Melee G&W was always superior because of jump-basic a

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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:53 pm

Also the 9hammer.

The 9hammer.
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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:05 pm

In post 7, vonflare wrote:I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.


None of the things mentioned made it more fun, in face maybe the opposite. Also the last point is plain wrong.
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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:08 pm

In post 9, AngryPidgeon wrote:No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.


3DS Smash Bros was so boring and awful. Ironically the only bit I play now is smash run. It failed to take up any of the fun bits of the previous games. I refused to play the Wii U version.
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:30 pm

In post 17, Porochaz wrote:
In post 7, vonflare wrote:I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.


None of the things mentioned made it more fun, in face maybe the opposite. Also the last point is plain wrong.



So you're saying event matches > subspace emmassary?
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:42 pm



The pinnacle of esports.

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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:48 pm

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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:59 pm

You guys should play a real game like Street Fighter.
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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:39 am

Fuck off Pleb

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:37 am

In post 22, Panzerjager wrote:You guys should play a real game like Street Fighter.



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