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Super Smash Bros

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:16 pm
by vonflare
It's a great series.

Sm4sh is obviously the best, but the debate is for 2nd place. Melee or Brawl?

I personally like them both. Melee is more technical and balanced (a competitive game) while Brawl is fun and flashier (a party game). Of course, brawl has a chance to be ruined by meta-knight-fest.

edit: project M is the best smash game

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:16 pm
by Salamence20
I like when they say Pikachu is a thunderspammer.

Then I beat them without using thunder.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:16 pm
by Salamence20
Other characters I use: Peach and Dedede

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:44 pm
by hiplop
^ my best friend is a peach main and theres literally nothing more annoying (HA CHAAA)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:32 am
by Varian-
I spent much more time on Brawl, so I prefer it.

I gravitate toward characters that let me poke at the fight from the outskirts of it. So any character with projectiles. Snake is great trolling fun, in that regard.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:14 pm
by BROseidon
Brawl is really unfun. They went too far to make it non-competitive and just made the game bad (tripping, physics engine is a viscous fluid, etc).

Melee is my favorite. I'm also friends with the #4 melee player in NorCal.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:14 pm
by BROseidon
Brawl should have just been project M

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:16 pm
by vonflare
I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.

And while it is less balanced, it is also more customizable with the stage creator.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:19 pm
by BROseidon
Brawl has a bunch of really cool features on top of a fundamentally broken game.

Balance aside, the physics and mechanics of brawl are fundamentally terrible.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:30 pm
by AngryPidgeon
Brawl will always be my favorite since I played so much of it in college. I do really like 4 though.

Sakurai did intentionally try to dumb brawl down competitively because Melee was a thing and that is how we ended up with tripping which is universally agreed to be a bad idea. I think its overstated just how bad it was based purely on subjective opinions about the game though.

Brawl's engine was more floaty than any of the others because they were intentionally trying to encourage air combat.

Project M was awful because it was just melee physics in Brawl which
a) just play Melee if you really care, its better than M
b) actually point a covers that just fine.

4 is great so far, although I wish I had more local friends who were really into it.

Random opinions:
Game and Watch went from decent to garbage. He was arguably my best character in Brawl and is no so trash its unreal. I think he is the lightest character in the game if not jiggles. Smash attacks do less knock back / range than they had in brawl. the only thing about him that is still good is the back aerial but that isn't enough.
Roy is OP as fuck and is going to top tierlists in the end. Literally nothing weak about him except his throws but having weak throws is not a big disadvantage at all.
No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.
Fuck little mac. Whose shitty idea was that?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:10 pm
by KaleiÐoscøpe
Melee will always be my favorite by a mile. It was fast, and didn't contain a whole lot shitty characters I wanted yo strangle... Only Roy comes to mind.

Oh, and I destroyed anyone on Melee as Peach. I cried when her and G&W lost a lot of their power in brawl, although Ness became my new main in Brawl (fuck Lucas fanboys, Ness was better)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:03 pm
by SXTLHGaiden
Melee is the best.
Also, I've taken a game off of WestBallz in tourney. he proceeded to 4 stock me with only 27% damage...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:42 pm
by BROseidon
In post 11, SXTLHGaiden wrote:Melee is the best.
Also, I've taken a game off of WestBallz in tourney. he proceeded to 4 stock me with only 27% damage...


Taking a game off Westballz is pretty amazing though.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:56 pm
by Oversoul
In post 9, AngryPidgeon wrote:Game and Watch went from decent to garbage. He was arguably my best character in Brawl and is no so trash its unreal. I think he is the lightest character in the game if not jiggles. Smash attacks do less knock back / range than they had in brawl. the only thing about him that is still good is the back aerial but that isn't enough.
Roy is OP as fuck and is going to top tierlists in the end. Literally nothing weak about him except his throws but having weak throws is not a big disadvantage at all.
No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.
Fuck little mac. Whose shitty idea was that?


The Game and Watch nerfs were very sad.

I don't really enjoy Sm4sh that much. I think that is because I get dumpstered whenever I play it and so I never want to play so I never get better at it. Vicious little cycle.

I dunno if it is because I am so bad, but it seems to me like there are a lot more gimmicky characters in Sm4sh than there are in Brawl.
Gimmicky to the point that you have to use your own gimmicky character to win.

I loved Brawl. Used to dumpster my friends all the time, until they started playing all these different versions of Brawl like Brawl+, Brawl- (lol so much fun when drunk), Balanced Brawl, and Project M. We switched through so many over the course of 2 months my brain got all fucky and I completely lost the feel for how to play in Project M. Doesn't help that Project M has that annoying air dodge into freefall feature that I absolutely loathe.

Also, my brain got really fucky since Sm4sh. In Brawl, Melee, and regular, I used to almost exclusively use R to shield. Something happened to me and now I almost exclusively use L or fumble between trying to shield and grabbing.

So yeah, in short. I don't play Smash nearly enough anymore and it makes me really sad. :(

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:42 am
by BROseidon
Gimmicky characters aren't a bad thing - adding gimmicks is the best way to allow for character diversity because it gives different characters different things to be good at.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:10 am
by KaleiÐoscøpe
Melee G&W was always superior because of jump-basic a

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:53 pm
by vonflare
Also the 9hammer.

The 9hammer.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:05 pm
by Porochaz
In post 7, vonflare wrote:I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.


None of the things mentioned made it more fun, in face maybe the opposite. Also the last point is plain wrong.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:08 pm
by Porochaz
In post 9, AngryPidgeon wrote:No longer being able to edge deny people takes away an interesting part of the game and feels like overkill on top of already removing all the tether-recoveries. RIP Ivysaur.


3DS Smash Bros was so boring and awful. Ironically the only bit I play now is smash run. It failed to take up any of the fun bits of the previous games. I refused to play the Wii U version.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:30 pm
by vonflare
In post 17, Porochaz wrote:
In post 7, vonflare wrote:I agree that tripping was unnecessary and unfun, but brawl also has better graphics, more stages, more characters, and better single player than melee.


None of the things mentioned made it more fun, in face maybe the opposite. Also the last point is plain wrong.



So you're saying event matches > subspace emmassary?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:42 pm
by BROseidon


The pinnacle of esports.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:48 pm
by vonflare
3jiggly5me

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:59 pm
by Panzerjager
You guys should play a real game like Street Fighter.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:39 am
by KaleiÐoscøpe
Fuck off Pleb

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:37 am
by vonflare
In post 22, Panzerjager wrote:You guys should play a real game like Street Fighter.



Git gud skrub

Smash > everything else