Scummer D&D: new thread

[Who]

GIF gets Circlet of Persuasion
Lilith gets an item of +5 Search
We currently have 1902 gp left.

[FakeGod]

Act 6 Introduction Cutscene

[Who]

Lilith gets Reduce Person, we have no money left.

[Who]

Spoiler: money

[FakeGod]

Act 6 Link: https://app.roll20.net/join/2463358/D-p-xQ

[Who]

Loot!:
25 Shrunken Heads, MYSTERIOUS EVOCATION CONSUMABLES
3 Potions of Delay Poison
I forget how many vials of poison, Lilith has them
3 Black Gems which seem to suck in light
1 magic headband

[lilith2013]

all the poisons

[Who]

Bardic knowledge on the statue dude.

Original Roll String: 1d20+8

1 20-Sided Dice: (7)+8 = 15

[GuyInFreezer]

Original Roll String: 1d20+12

1 20-Sided Dice: (9)+12 = 21

Bardic Knowledge

[Who]

Bardic Knowledge on Brackendeep, City of Monsters (Rolling as if I were level 8):

Original Roll String: 1d20+9

1 20-Sided Dice: (15)+9 = 24

[GuyInFreezer]

Original Roll String: 1d20+10

1 20-Sided Dice: (17)+10 = 27

Original Roll String: 1d20+12

1 20-Sided Dice: (5)+12 = 17

[FakeGod]

Excerpt for

Brackendeep, City of Monsters

A human empire long time ago called Dusthedge Dynasty extended their domain down into the Underdark. Their empire was suffering from overpopulation, and the emperor sought to reclaim some of the empire’s land that was covered by deserts. A deposit of powerful crystals charged with magical power that had weather affecting properties were detected by the Empire’s Magicians, and a mining colony was established deep in the Underdark realm to recover them. This colony was named Nycroft’s Hope, after the imperial general who lost his life in battle with the terrifying denizens of the Underdark. It was evident early on that the Underdark was not a lifeless place, but a place teeming with life and activity.

Due to the military might of the empire, the colony grew without the usual restraint and guardedness shown by the fortress cities of the deep gnomes, secret laboratories of the Zern, or citadels of drow. It provided a common ground for many different intelligent races of the Underdark, and it proved fertile for trade and negotiation.

It is not completely detailed how the Dusthedge Dynasty fell, but the scholars agree that it was a likely a massive flood. To support the population, the weather crystals were probably overused and brought nearly unending rain and storm to the central regions of the continent. The point that is still not understood to this day was the apparent death of the entire royal family. The empire had many powerful spellcasters who were royal to them, and surely at least one of the family members would have been able to escape using magical assistance?

Cut off from its surface empire, Nycroft’s Hope quickly came under siege by various denizens of the Underdark. Many powerful factions wanted to take the valuable marketplace as its own. The military commander, Orthrax, unable to defend the city, ordered non-fighting members exiled from the city and retreated back into the barracks. Many of his subordinates refused and evacuated as many of them as they could into the makeshift shelter at the sanctified grounds of the Pelorian Temple, hoping that the deity would protect the defenseless.

Driven to the edge, the military commander and his remaining men made a dark pact with a powerful extraplanar entity, and gained unnatural powers in return for service after death to the entity. Pelor also did answer and sent one of his archangels, Raphmiel, to protect his temple grounds.

The alliance of assorted monsters did not massacre the exiled however, since they had no interest in killing, but in subjugation. They also realized that they could not defeat the dark forces of Orthrax or the incredible power of Raphmiel. In addition, the alliance begin to squabble over the conquered city. In the end, a truce was brokered between the allied forces to share the city amongst all races. Orthrax's forces and the remaining knights under Raphmiel’s protection each became an order of knights. Orthrax's order is now known as the Knights of the Dust, as they believe that they carry on the traditions of the long dead imperial Dusthedge Dynasty. The other knights are known as the Order of Defiance, since they collectively disobeyed a direct order.

[FakeGod]

Players, we will be playing at usual time this weekend.

Looking forward to seeing you guys venture deeper into the deadly Prison of Cassius!

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll have to leave about an hour early.

[Who]

What would have happened if the ritual had gone through?
Planes:

Original Roll String: 1d20+16

1 20-Sided Dice: (8)+16 = 24

Arcana:

Original Roll String: 1d20+16

1 20-Sided Dice: (13)+16 = 29

Religion:

Original Roll String: 1d20+11

1 20-Sided Dice: (19)+11 = 30

Insight into the amulet:
Planes:

Original Roll String: 1d20+16

1 20-Sided Dice: (6)+16 = 22

Arcana:

Original Roll String: 1d20+16

1 20-Sided Dice: (5)+16 = 21

[FakeGod]

Ritual:

It looks like your fairly run-of-the-mill offering to a higher entity ritual. It sounds pretty simple, but there are nearly infinite variations when it comes to sacrifice rituals devised by mortals trying to please their extraplanar beings. This specific ritual seems to be dedicated to Demon Lord Dagon.


Amulet:

This artifact does not give off any malice in its machinations, as far as you can tell. This is rather surprising considering it was given to a mortal by a demon lord. It does have a tinge of sadness to its shifting auras, which may give some insights to its past? You are not sure.

At the least, you determine that it is completely free of demonic taint, and its source of power is not demonic in nature. It actually seems to have originated from the Material Plane.

[Who]

Conman, Nuala's size should be Large, not Medium.
Lilith, Imogen's size should be Small, not Medium.
RC, Einar has a MW item of search. (+2 misc to search)

[Who]

List of things I am currently planning on buying in the near future. If you want something not on this list, say so. Especially if it's a MW item of skill, those things are really cheap and effective.

Spoiler:

Big purchases:
+1 Holy Adamantine Guisarme (Nuala) (21k)
Nightstick 7.5k (Selene)
Nighstick 7.5k (Einar)

MW Items:
Selene: (200)
Spot
Listen
Sense Motive
Concentration

Imogen (300)
Spot
Listen
Sense Motive
Craft (Poisonmaking)
Sleight of Hand
Bluff

Einar: (350)
Spot
Listen
Hide
Move Silently
Tumble
Survival
Escape Artist

Jorik: (50)
Jump

Grimwire: (100)
Concentration
Knowledge (Local)

Nuala (50):
Jump

Emergency Scrolls:
Remove Curse (375)
Remove Blindness (375)
Remove Disease (375)
Neutralize Poison (375) (?We have 3 delays so eh?)

Scrolls to learn:
Heart of Air (150)
False Life (150)

Random shit:
Antitoxins (50*lots)

If we get another chance to craft:
Enlarge Person for Jorik (2k)
Reduce Person for Einar (2k)
+2 str for Einar

Emergency Scrolls we currently have and do not need to buy:
Magic Weapon
Lesser Restoration
Remove Paralysis

[Who]

170gp
69 black gems
+1 Reptilian Humanoids bane scythe
Potions:
Barkskin potion+5
CLW x3
Oil of Daylight

Ring of Jumping

Arcane Scroll of Arcane Eye
Divine Scroll of Restoration

Periapt of Wis +2
Stone golem manual
Belt of Giant Str +4
Glove of Storing

[Who]

239gp

+1 Reptilian Humanoids bane scythe (4159)
Potions:
Barkskin potion+5
CLW x3
Oil of Daylight

Ring of Jumping (1250)

Arcane Scroll of Arcane Eye (Grimwire)
Divine Scroll of Restoration (Selene)

Periapt of Wis +2 (???)
Stone golem manual (11k)
Belt of Giant Str +4 (Jorik)
Glove of Storing (5k)

[Who]

Question about Leap Attack.
It was errataed to read

If you cover at least 10 feet of horizontal distance with your jump, and you end your jump in a square from which you threaten your target, you deal +100% the normal bonus damage from your use of the Power Attack feat.

This is the same wording as CWar's errata of Supreme Power Attack.

10th-level frenzied berserker deals +100% the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat.

However, Supreme Power Attack goes on to say

In other words, when using the Power Attack feat, a frenzied berserker wielding a two-handed weapon gains a +4 bonus on damage rolls (instead of a +2 bonus) for each –1 penalty she applies to her attack rolls.

Does this mean that Leap Attack gives 4:1 instead of 3:1? Or am I missing something?

FakeGod (18:27:36)(Sunday)
disregard the errata
FakeGod (18:27:43)(Sunday)
play as we have been

[Who]

Question about Residual Metamagic:
Enduring potency says "you can treat the second casting as if it had come from your daily allotment of spells for the purpose of ... and any other effect of the spell."
Can I use Lingering Metamagic and Enduring Potency at the same time?
For example, suppose one round I cast Silent Image heightened to 5th level. Next round can I use Silent Image from a wand and heighten it to 5th level with Lingering Metamagic?

[FakeGod]

I thought it specifically said in the feat that you couldn't do both.

[Who]

It doesn't that I can see?
You're probably thinking of the clause which says you can't use Lingering Metamagic twice in a row, and also can't lingering metamagic off of a metamagic rod.
"The second spell doesn't count as being affected by a metamagic feat for the purpose of this benefit (that is, it doesn't entitle you to apply the metamagic feat to a spell you might cast in the following round). Only spells you cast using your own metamagic feats (as opposed to metamagic effects from magic items) allow this option to function."

Actually I'm not even sure if you need enduring potency to get lingering metamagic in, it just says "cast", not "cast from your daily allotment of spells". (And in Enduring Potency it lists what you're doing as "cast[ing] from a scroll or wand", the phrase "you cast" is still there)
(Though enduring potency would still be necessary to have a relevant DC/CL)

[Ether]

[11:54] FakeGod: were you guys considering just heading down to next level without chasing Lociferasu?
[11:54] FakeGod: just curious
[11:55] Who: No
[11:55] Who: Or well, I wasn't, and nobody was talking about it
[11:55] FakeGod: it WAS an option
[11:55] FakeGod: I hope at least that was clear
[11:56] Who: We're murderhobos. You expect us to let someone continue to exist after we've fought them and they got away?
[11:57] FakeGod: I suppose, but Elleran for example pretty much never fights encounters he deems unnecessary
[11:57] Who: Elleran is not a murderhobo.
[11:58] Who: Well, I didn't want to fight GY1
[11:58] Who: But that was different
[11:59] GuyInFreezer: We are all murderhobos
[11:59] GuyInFreezer: One person wanting to avoid the fight wont change the inevitable next action
[11:59] Who: GY1 was not only unnecessary we were fighting a friendly person
[12:00] GuyInFreezer: Dunno she hated Selene and wanted her dead
[12:00] Telephone Cat: Didn't Lociferasu come after them?
[12:00] Who: (Or that was how I viewed the situation at the time)
[12:00] Who: Also, I assumed we would just have to fight Lociferasu later
[12:00] FakeGod: Lociferasu fled back into his inner sancteum, but the PCs chased him
[12:01] Telephone Cat: Was there a different direction? I thought that was just the way forward.
[12:01] Who: Would he have attacked us later if we hadn't killed him?
[12:01] Who: Yeah there were stairs
[12:01] FakeGod: stairs going to next level
[12:01] FakeGod: in the central water room
[12:01] Telephone Cat: The only stairs I remember were the ones into the water.
[12:02] FakeGod: I can't tell you whether he'd have attacked if you haven't killed him, although it's prob pretty likely
[12:02] Telephone Cat: I didn't realize it was optional, but, like, he did attack the PCs, and he also seems to have been responsible for raising Mirajen's party as death knights, so.
[12:03] Who: Letting him live would have violated the unwritten rules of adventuring
[12:03] FakeGod: it's pretty clear he's not a nice guy
[12:03] Telephone Cat: Did he actually speak again after you could see him and connect his voice to the one speaking with the woman?
[12:03] FakeGod: but it's also fairly likely that the encounter would be challenging
[12:04] FakeGod: yes I confirmed that it was the same voice
[12:04] Telephone Cat: I can't remember what he said.
[12:04] Who: Spellcasting I think
[12:04] Telephone Cat: Oh, okay.

[12:05] Who: Oh yeah, is it possible to use ghost sound to mimic the woman's voice?
[12:05] FakeGod: how good is your disguise?
[12:05] Who: Shit, but my bluff is great
[12:06] Telephone Cat: This is for seeing if Mirajen can identify it, not for actually tricking anyone.
[12:06] FakeGod: do you have major image
[12:06] Who: No
[12:06] FakeGod: ghost sound is too trashy
[12:06] Who: I figured that that was likely, just checking
[12:07] FakeGod: your 240p definition tv is too grainy for Mirajen's eyes
[12:07] Telephone Cat: She's from a medieval fantasy world, she should lower her standards!
[12:07] FakeGod: Mirajen never abandons her standards, only her comrades
[12:08] Telephone Cat: She did what she had to do, letting Allea die would have been a TPK anyway.
[12:08] GuyInFreezer: Did she take a penalty
[12:08] Who: Ether, she's probably used to something like programmed image or something
[12:08] GuyInFreezer: Like knight code violation
[12:09] FakeGod: if she actually abandoned her teammates and shit for selfish reasons then yeah she broke the code
[12:09] FakeGod: big time
[12:09] Telephone Cat: She even saved a random 14 year old while she was at it. She did her best.
[12:09] Who: She needed to do it though
[12:09] Who: She needed to survive to come find us

[12:11] Telephone Cat: All of the repeated "aura of sadness" talk makes me half-want to stick the amulet on Karouac's dead-reanimated-rekilled corpse, but rationally this probably would not do anything.
[12:11] Who: Undead turn to dust upon death
[12:11] Telephone Cat: Oh.
[12:11] FakeGod: (but maybe you should have tried it on his still animated corpse)
[12:11] Telephone Cat: I brought it up!
[12:12] Telephone Cat: But it did seem silly, Caligri said it couldn't bring back the dead.
[12:12] Telephone Cat: Shit. Would it have worked?
[12:12] Who: The other silly thing was that it would have taken a day
[12:12] Telephone Cat: Yeah, that too.
[12:12] FakeGod: I cannot confirm or deny until Act 6 ends
[12:12] FakeGod: he's also kinda STRONG; that encounter is very tough and you guys should have lost multiple characters on avg
[12:13] Telephone Cat: And you can't just stick his struggling angry sadcorpse in a bag of holding, there's the dimensional lock...
[12:13] Telephone Cat: Also I think he was technically a death knight and had FoM?
[12:13] FakeGod: yes and yes
[12:14] Who: Is it even possible to put an amulet on him then?
[12:14] FakeGod: I'd say it's nigh impossible
[12:14] Telephone Cat: I guess you could ask him nicely if he'd like to put it on?
[12:14] Telephone Cat: Maybe Command undead and hope for a natural 2...
[12:14] FakeGod: he actually continues to attack Mirajen even after a failed save vs Command Undead

[12:32] Telephone Cat: Hmm...the more I think about it, Allea's situation is weird. The slaves in that mine were held there for a while to take on that whole waterbreathing thing, right?
[12:33] Telephone Cat: And the kuotoa had already sacrificed a few other girls in that Act 2 ritual before the PCs jumped in.
[12:35] FakeGod: that is all correct
[12:36] GuyInFreezer: Tin foil: Allea is already corrupted
[12:36] Who: Despite the fact that circumstances should place her in Dr. K tier of towniness, she's super untrustworthy
[12:37] Who: She goes into Dr. Benedict tier of towniness
[12:38] Who: All of its previous occupants have been red herrings
[12:38] Telephone Cat: Someone should talk to her.
[12:38] Telephone Cat: Someone with a high sense motive.
[12:40] Telephone Cat: See how she feels about going back, see how she feels about lord Dagon.
[12:40] GuyInFreezer: Sense motive whats that
[12:40] Who: Imogen has highest
[12:40] Telephone Cat: It's the thing that Visage kept foiling for us even though I rolled fucking 27s.
[12:40] Who: I have high bluff though
[12:41] GuyInFreezer: I dont think i have any highest social skills
[12:41] Who: Diplo?
[12:41] GuyInFreezer: Oh that
[12:42] FakeGod: well let me know if you guys want to talk to Allea
[12:46] Who: We need a plan first
[...]
[12:49] Telephone Cat: Would Detect Evil see if Allea's tainted? I remember it worked that way for Raine under the sarcophagus's influence...
[12:49] Who: It's way overpriced
[12:49] GuyInFreezer: It wont work in the prison I think
[12:50] GuyInFreezer: Too much evil in area etc
[12:52] Who: I think it will
[12:52] Who: For interrogating Allea we need a reason why we're interrogating her without actually making it look like an interrogation
[12:52] Who: What do we want to know first
[12:52] Telephone Cat: She's been through a lot. Is she okay? Ask her what Brackendeep's like, just try to be her friend.
[12:53] Telephone Cat: There was downtime between Act 5 and 6, presumably that was her first time actually being on the surface world, even if she didn't see much of it except a small ruined town...
[12:55] FakeGod: "Wow. Surface world is basically just bunch of woods and burned down buildings."
[12:55] FakeGod: "0/10, would not recommend."
[12:56] Who: I would not expect the friendship angle to work
[12:56] Who: Like
[12:57] Who: She'd act the same whether or not she's evil
[...]
[13:01] Who: If she's evil, what would she probably want?
[13:04] Telephone Cat: If she's evil, she'd be in the same boat as the slaves from Act 2 and the cultists from Act 3. Except...the amulet does supposedly fix curses. It's just...I don't know, I think the kuotoa were legitimately planning to sacrifice her, but it's weird that they set that whole thing up and that it took so long that she developed waterbreathing? The situation is weird.
[13:04] Telephone Cat: ...Also just from a story perspective I kind of want to see Einar try to be her friend.
[13:05] Who: That could work
[13:05] Who: Good cop bad cop
[13:08] RadiantCowbells: Einar would definitely talk to Allea if there was some sort of time where it was a good idea
[13:10] Who: Interrogating her about Mirajen
[13:10] Who: That is how we do it
[13:11] lilith2013: uhhh am i going to be doing the interrogating
[13:11] Who: Possibly
[13:11] lilith2013: or can i stand in the background brandishing my dagger
[13:12] Who: It might be that just you're standing in the background and seeing whether or not she's telling the truth
[13:12] Telephone Cat: Um...yeah, don't overtly threaten her.
[13:12] Telephone Cat: You're taking a breather for Who to prepare Ghost Lantern anyway, right?
[13:13] Who: We just spent like an hour searching
[13:13] Telephone Cat: Right, that too.
[13:13] RadiantCowbells: And Einar sucks at searching and is easily distracted so
[13:14] Who: I feel like there's a strong risk you'll just annoy her
[13:14] Telephone Cat: It doesn't need to be intended as an interrogation on Einar's part, I assume he's not as paranoid as I am.
[13:15] FakeGod: Lilith you should deathattack her (paralysis vers.) and show her that you have her life in your hands
[13:15] RadiantCowbells: Or just kill her and sacrifice her to dagon and go full LLD dark side
[13:16] Telephone Cat: Once I officially take over as the archon, this is the first thing I am going to do.
[13:19] lilith2013: please, i'm not that evil
[13:19] lilith2013: i may be a serial killer but i prefer to be an unpossessed serial killer
[13:20] Who: I have no problem with that as an interrogation technique other than the fact that it oesn't seem likely to work

[13:20] Who: I think our best option is to ask her about Mirajen
[13:20] Who: And pretened we're suspicious of her
[13:21] Who: Uh, of Mirajen
[13:21] FakeGod: I'm quite amused at the moment, and you guys will see why I am quite amused when I explain but I can't explain without spoilering slightly and it's annoying
[13:22] Who: Also now that I think about the explanation for the lie, it's not really that much of a lie
[13:22] Who: Yes, she had to get through and rescue Allea
[13:22] Telephone Cat: I live to amuse. x_x
[13:22] Who: But she also needed the strength to rescue Allea
[13:23] Who: Dammit this would have been more convenient if we'd interrogated Hector before he died
[13:24] Telephone Cat: I dunno, I think Mirajen's town.
[13:24] Who: She's an L8 knight, a support character
[13:24] Who: She doesn't solo things
[13:24] Telephone Cat: She bravely runs away while other knights hold the bad guys off.
[13:24] lilith2013: also the deathknight thing made it sound like she abandoned them on purpose
[13:25] Who: I think she might be town, might be scum.
[13:25] Telephone Cat: Maybe, but the process of being turned undead kind of twists you to irrationally hate the living, right?
[13:25] Who: I think that Allea is a cultist of Vecna and she and Grimwire will become bffs.
[13:26] Who: And by "Become bffs", I mean "I'll murder her and take all her secret knowleedge"
[13:26] Who: Because that's what cultists of Vecna do when they meet each other
[13:27] Telephone Cat: This is not a very TN-with-an-archon thing to do!
[13:27] Who: It's not a very TN-with-an-archon to smite evil?
[13:28] Telephone Cat: You don't even have proof that she's evil!
[13:28] Who: This is my long term plan
[13:28] Who: Not short term
[13:29] Who: Part of the plan involves finding out that she is evil
[13:29] Telephone Cat: Like, yes, her situation is weird. But I think it's very unlikely that she was evil before being kidnapped, still not that likely now, and it would have been for reasons beyond her control.
[13:31] Who: I don't think she's Dagon-aligned
[13:32] Who: But Dagon is not the only villain
[13:32] Telephone Cat: Looking back, yeah, it does seem that Mirajen bailed on her own initiative.
[13:36] GuyInFreezer: Or its just a simple "you must go save our lady" cliche
[13:39] Telephone Cat: Hmm?
[13:40] Who: She made a suicidal attempt but got captured instead
[13:41] Who: If she had asked us for help instead of Hector she would have been able to help us
[13:42] Telephone Cat: Oh, yeah.
[13:42] Telephone Cat: To be fair, she didn't know there was a cavalry to call on, you hadn't arrived yet.
[13:43] Who: Okay, she should have gone to the nearest city and found a cavalry
[13:43] Telephone Cat: How's her knowledge of surface world geography? How long would that have taken?
[13:44] Telephone Cat: It wasn't feasible at all.
[13:44] Who: Find a magicmart
[13:44] Who: Buy potions of invis, dimdoor, silence
[13:45] Who: Walk up to Allea and dimdoor out
[13:45] Who: Uh, dimstep not dimdoor
[13:45] RadiantCowbells: Potion of dimdoor?
[13:45] Telephone Cat: Magicmarts are not that easy to find, and again, time constraints!
[13:46] Telephone Cat: When we were in Barrelsford, we couldn't just wander off and find a wand of CLW. That kind of thing makes NPCs, including Allea, die.
[13:46] Who: We were low levelled
[13:49] GuyInFreezer: So how does flanking diagonally with reach weapons again
[13:49] GuyInFreezer: Do i need to be like exactly opposite position or are there some leeways?
[13:49] Who: There are leeways
[13:50] Telephone Cat: Come on. You track your liege to a little surface world village, one where everything is on fire and Migali's set the altars up. You've never even been on this side of the ground in your life, you're totally alone except for a squire who's like 12 years old, Allea is going to die. No, you don't just wander off to explore a world where you don't even know where anything is.
[13:50] GuyInFreezer: Bc if lilith plays assassin and I go daring outlaw sneaking in and double SAing a boss needs to happen
[13:50] Who: See DMG page 308
[13:50] Telephone Cat: There's so much open space up here, there aren't any tunnels, anything could be anywhere!

(Some more information about the corruption effect from staying in the mines in Act 2 too long is here. Remove Curse working on the slaves would imply that the amulet would clear up Allea, though...)

Another thing maybe worth asking Allea is if she knew who the other girls who were sacrificed were?