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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:54 pm

First let us pick one.

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Any landmasses not even partially shown are probably not that important.
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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:07 am

I vote Sweden

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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:22 am

Sweden, they have a constitutional monarchy (lolololol) in a personal union with Norway, they are made up of sweden and no finns though they would like their finns back.
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:24 am

sweden is fine

brazil looks important tho

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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:57 am

When you shit your pants in Lisbon cuz of Napoleón so you have to go to Río de Janeiro to get a new pair but then your son wants to stay to do Important shit and stops listening to you.

I'll startup the thing when I get home
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:07 am

Sweden 1.5
Brazil 1
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:13 am

What game is this?

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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:36 am

Icky Vicky 2: Electric Bugaloo
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:38 pm

After the Napoleonic wars denmark-norway was de-denmarked by sweden so it could feel a bit better about losing all its Finns.
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Together we will make Sweden Great Again.
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We have claims on finland and can attack Russia whenever, keep in mind tho they have like 3 биллион more soldiers than us
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As you can see in the top right. we are the 14th coolest country in the world, and despite having zero factories anywhere at all, the 15th most industrialized country. The country we have total political control over is our only ally.
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Most of our people are either farmers or miners. They're conservatives and they care about conservative things. Notice how we have one small tiny island in the Caribbean you can't even see on the map pls don't make me click on it
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A view of our military. One of our generals is a real croaker
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All the stuff in red is stuff we don't produce, everything else we do. It's pretty self explanatory!
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A view of some decisions we could take in the future and the dominant political party.
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Our budget everyone is dying
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Pic of the countries that are militarily weaker than us
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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:43 pm

Whoops I forgot: We have to research a technology. The four branches are army, navy, commerce (for taxation and administration), culture (education, art, social science) and industry (natural science and factory things)
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:44 pm

Research culture, raise taxes on the rich, and lower taxes on the poor.

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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:12 pm

Army Tech Research: -5%
Navy Tech Research: -10%
Commerce Tech Research: +5%
Culture Tech Research: +0%
Industry Tech Research: +15%

Sweden's research bonuses, there's no penalties on culture so yea we can start with that.
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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:05 am

never played vicy 2. Am a ck2/europa/hoi kid. Looks fun. How much would it take for me to learn the game?
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:51 am

Idk it didn´t take me long. If you´re good with HOI3 it should be relatively simple.
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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:51 am

Also yea yea I´ma upload the outcome of Prime Minister Rat in a bit but
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:41 am

This is how civ looks huh
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:14 pm

In post 15, Gamma Emerald wrote:This is how civ looks huh


Oh no, this game seems wildly different from Civ

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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:07 pm

https://aar.li/a/kozb4x

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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:22 pm

How does a war with denmark sound?

maybe get some claims there if it's easier than fighting russia?
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:33 pm

Russia tends to get bolsheviked during late 19th or early 20th century. We can swoop in during the chaos.

A common goal in a Swedish campaign is scandinavism, which means denmark would join us anyway, but we can definitely annex one of their regions. Just have to make sure we have a bigger/stronger army than them, or ally someone who does.

Attacking nonwesternized countries tends to be real easy until 1880 when the rest of Europe decides to do the same thing.

A bit of contextualization:

Denmark controls Schleswig Holstein which Prussia will end up trying to conquer to form Germany. Prussia has the best land army in the game and tends to always form Germany, though it has to defeat Austria in order to do so.
Spain and the Ottoman Empire decline and usually the Netherlands/Italy and Japan take their place. Though in this campaign it shall be Sweden instead.
The colonial race starts around 1880. The best colonies are in West Africa, Egypt/East Africa and Southeast Asia.
You can´t really conquer large swaths of land in Victoria 2 unless that land is in Africa or Asia. Every war we plan gets us infamy points, go over 25 and all of Europe takes turns kicking your ass. Instead the objective is to cripple other countries (war reparations, freeing ethnic minorities [Brittany, Poland, Ukraine, India, etc], installing a puppet government to fight your wars for you) while also building up your own country. Things might seem slow now but there'll be plenty of world war ones to make things exciting in the coming decades.
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:44 pm

Yeah I played a ton of EU4 back in the day though I've never done sweden (their traits are too OP there imo and makes the game a cakewalk) and idk the specifics of vicky 2

so I guess medium-long term goals here might be helping destabilize russia and trying to delay/prevent the prussia superpowering into germany, since they're reasonably close by?
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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:07 pm

Prussia's main obstacles in forming Germany are Austria, then France. The best way to prevent Deustchland über alles is to prop up the Austrians, hard to do because they're shitty, but doable, maybe.
There is always the option to abandon our claims on Finland and try to befriend the Russian empire instead, but they are an unpredictable ally due to their tendency to collapse sometimes.
We could also not involve ourselves in the Danish-Prussian conflict and befriend a strong German state when the time comes.

We can only have one Great Power ally so we have to decide that before we go any further.
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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:47 am

Which countries qualify as Great Powers?

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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:47 am

Also I must say, I expected the rich folks to be... Well, richer.

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:18 pm

Spoiler: These guys plus USA are great powers
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Other countries that share their color are under their sphere.


And lol, we do have poor rich folk. I've never really put too much attention to how much the rich make in the game, just always crank the tax up on everyone, but I assume that since it's only made up of landowners that sit on their hands and 0 capitalists there's not a lot for them to give us.

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The POP system in victoria 2 with the HPM mod goes landowners and capitalists, capitalists being good for funding factories and making them run better while landowners don't really do much, then the middle class: artisans (designed to give up their livelihoods and be forced into factory wage slavery), bureaucrats, intellectuals, clerks (like craftsmen but smarter) and officers (help with army and navy leadership)
And the poor which are craftsmen (make the factories profitable but ask for pesky things like 12 hour work days and public health care) farmers (who you want drive off from rural areas and force them into the city for wave slavery) laborers (same as farmers but they have pickaxes) serfs (low quality POP that only Russia and uncivs have), slaves (who you want to free from slavery so they can become farmers and laborers and eventually force into wage slavery) and soldiers that make up your army.
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