mini 2048: mafia mafia (BOMPLETE)

[Lapsa]

greetings

[Lapsa]

so who am I playing with? mafia experience? any ideas of plan?

wtf "Town Loyal" means?

guessing best play would be if I could silently block neighborizer

[Lapsa]

Pretty sure I should just claim ascetic in my first post like miller, thoughts?

don't

that doesn't seem like correct play

unfortunately ain't able to argument that (or too lazy. who knows)

something something you are safe day1 anyway

[Lapsa]

bussing is fine

but I think we need a plan before that

like - who's going to bus and if that's even necessary?

is any1 going to obvtown? why?

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currently I'm preparing to mildly lurk playing "Lapsa is strange, haven't played for awhile" card

but that surely won't win the game

[Lapsa]

but yeah - we need to figure out ASAP who's going to carry us

in a way - my scum role seems to be most valuable (does it prevent vig hits?)

I can afford to observe a bit but I feel bit too scandalous for carrying

they will scrutinize me hardcore day2. maybe day3 if I'm lucky

currently I think TGP suits best (can't even remember that nickname)

so I guess you dough should be the trouble maker, make it rain the wizard of confusion?

[Lapsa]

no!

feels like you are jumping the gun

don't argue with Robert just yet

maybe after a week or something

[Lapsa]

flub got some fire. I think we could leverage that one. also needs some time to look genuine

[Lapsa]

I'm decent at empty back&forth arguing. could be useful

also - on a work trip till sunday

[Lapsa]

FYI Robert obvtowning in case you missed

[Lapsa]

@dough in case you missed - there's no cops in the game (see mod notes)

lolwagons being bitchy bout me not talking the walk or whatnot

so just showing some fake keenness to important details

[Lapsa]

either way - wanted to let you have at least vague idea of what I'm doing

think you can just ignore that question altogether

[Lapsa]

oh, you already replied. guess I gonna throw in couple more fillers

[Lapsa]

as I feel it - stabs on xwing are so blatantly awfully timed (wagon on TGP gaining steam) that people will have trouble believing we are actually connected

and somebody might dig up that I usually go for bussing in similar cases

[Lapsa]

nikk has legit issues with lolwagons and vica versa

flubber townreading dough. I wonder if he's caught up and wants to stay alive or genuinely townreads him

could be useful

[Lapsa]

would argue that lolwagons is losing leader position. in that sense - time is working in our interests

[Lapsa]

TGP needs to clear himself ASAP though

not sure lurking is the best choice here

[Lapsa]

interesting, i see myself getting less and less a target as time goes on
i think we can start pushing multiple lynches and change as the day goes on
we want to minimize association with each other as a team - but if two of us are associated and one of us seems like they can never be on a scumteam with the others that's a gr8 thing

yes... but I feel like this is the moment you should town up a bit. otherwise your wagon losing steam might quickly lead to heavy suspicions

I'm on the verge of explaining how counter wagons are a good thing and you have always been on my lynch pool but I don't want to

your #236 is a great start. an indirect hit on me. lolwagon's seeing it

just don't focus strength on wagon diversion yet. that seems too hasted

[Lapsa]

a lot of trouble understanding what your reads are.

careful with throwing out multiple "your list is too vague" stabs. that kind of accusations are too vague on their own

[Lapsa]

I have a tilting scum read on Lapsa but with the way his counterwagon formed I don’t think he’s scum if you flip scum.

feels like we got lolwagon hooked

I think I should lurk a bit - laughing way too hard

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P.s. #242 is good

just don't corner yourself too much

[Lapsa]

oh man... #257 #258 #259 gives me chills

[Lapsa]

I think you (&we) would get into some serious trouble fast

currently couple scum reads on me & dough doesn't really matter much

it's the TGP wagon that needs to be safely derailed

don't freak out. and when in doubt - keep questioning whoever's around you

[Lapsa]

well... yeah... being busy tunneling robert seems acceptable scenario

if you can make that believable ofc

[Lapsa]

stating obvious. random philosophical thoughts on the go...

thing about mafia game is that any action requires knowledge or at least a genuine plan to gain some kind of knowledge (and the plan should be able to name it)

town is de facto uninformed

this is the reason why we shouldn't rush anything

[Lapsa]

game needs a tune!!!11

[Lapsa]

: )

[Lapsa]

#357 should resonate with sash

[Lapsa]

oh well... golden seems to be gone

apart from that - game looks playable

for awhile at least

need to think about night actions...

[Lapsa]

yeah... I was even considering a no kill but damn hood gonna grow

I don't think we should hit lol.
he's burning out and unless we fuck up - will work in our favor.
and I'm sensing VT

I consider Trivium.
flies under the radar - PR is likely.
and such hit would throw an interesting shade on me.
easy content - would enjoy dancing around that

anyhow - needs a reread. haven't even looked for crumbs

[Lapsa]

dough, what you thinkin?

[Lapsa]

If a player is Loyal, then any attempts by that player to use a night action on a player with a different alignment will fail (as though they had been roleblocked).
As such, a Loyal player can only succeed with actions when targeting a player of the same alignment.

would be nice to take out that fella. kinda powerful. almost cop

or even better - if we could figure out who is it, be reasonably sure he doesn't visit us and just roleblock so he starts scumreading his targets

@dough any ideas? noticed crumbs or smthg?

[Lapsa]

A Neighborizer without any Neighbors at the start of the game is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

if we fail this night - I think neighborizer slot should be quite apparent tomorrow. if not straight out claim - weird strong connection should form

and make sure not to slip - only neighborizer himself supposedly knows about loyal modifier

[Lapsa]

It was not. I am an Informed Economist, and GoldCoin actually has the Loved Modifier, so that was only L-1.

^ that's an interesting curve ball

although I don't think it means he's the guy

[Lapsa]

reads list:

lol
nikk
xwing
triv
lapsa
nomics
dough
egix
sash
flubb
profi
robert

[Lapsa]

todo:

pay more attention to scum part of the reads list. negligence will get you

[Lapsa]

// idea to fake "Bah" post

[Lapsa]

#47 is the moment golden got lunched

everybody were totally zoomed out trying to smell general direction where to head

then golden goes in with a toothbrush

a behavior much more typical for a late day when you have revealed everything you know, don't really have anything of interest yet still want to share hoping that would somehow help

[Lapsa]

(my vote on nomics)

#70 yeaaaaaah...

complete detachment from town story

[Lapsa]

solved issue though. the (genuine) xmas trip

into yada yada I suck at early game if need be

[Lapsa]

! profi's #73 is abusable

[Lapsa]

lol#80 abusable

he’s gone after Trivium (the biggest wagon)

appeal that's factually incorrect, combine with #418 into that's all you got

[Lapsa]

// chinese fire drill

[Lapsa]

stab:

xwing:
@lapsa, what do you think about gp and nikk slots? thoughts on the current game state?

screwed (?) up with xwing cloning:

lapsa:
@nikk what do you think of swing and paradox slots?"

^ why nikk?

// oh fuck... the nikk story -_-

double voter intro

currently fixed with vote on xwing and that triv echo thingy idea of "can't tell how smart are you"

continuation if need be:

nikk#29:
I'm keeping my vote on xwing but tend to agree with Paradox here. Quick wagon.

[Lapsa]

bookmark@102

[Lapsa]

#212 gotcha

profii is our man

I’ve been a cop in a Schadd game where it said no cops.

I’ll let you all think about that. I even got a guilty that got a scum lynched

quite sure about that

question is - can we just block him?

[Lapsa]

...meta dive 4 fact check...

[Lapsa]

plays hydra with flavor leaf. interesting

[Lapsa]

oh crap...

mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

might be it :'(

[Lapsa]

Can you give me a rundown of any claims that have happened in the game?
Did my slot claim ascetic?

golden claimed VT

dough didn't claim ascetic

[Lapsa]

Doesn't mean he can't be another role--but I actually want to give him his alleged investigation.

what did I miss? haven't got to the end of the thread just yet

[Lapsa]

oh... right... #520

then perhaps profii could be the neighborizer after all

he's the only one riding cop theme that hard

I'm somewhat willing to risk it

Lapsa blocks: profii

[Lapsa]

speaking of lolwagons - I feel like we can pull at least one mislynch despite him being present

and somebody I forgot was softing protection on him

[Lapsa]

Well this is awkward.
I thought I was replacing into town.

^ that's actually fantastic

[Lapsa]

I somewhat doubt profii's claim is true, and bear with me--I want to give him a night to prove it.
If he's real, then he'll know Rob's town tomorrow.
If he's not the role we're looking for, continue hunting. (Well the role we're hunting for will be obvious tomorrow anyway, butstill.)

Doesn't mean he can't be another role--but I actually want to give him his alleged investigation.

well... if he clears rob and consequentially himself - I feel like we might get ourselves cornered

somehow I don't like / understand the idea

[Lapsa]

So a protective is less likely ungated, more likely gated; a second investigative is likely; a vig is possible. Puts us in the ballpark.

emm... huh? what do you mean by gated/ungated?

We really need to hit the PRs right now; if we don't hit them N1, we've lost the game already.

true. game ain't looking too good

[Lapsa]

let's put it that way - I agree not to block profii

[Lapsa]

Is there anyone who you WANT to block?

yeah... that is the question here. 17h left

can you give a breakdown on why kill lolwagons?

[Lapsa]

The town does not.

more importantly - that we know

[Lapsa]

PR vibes:

triv
nomics
egix
flubb
profi

[Lapsa]

actually - remove triv from that

[Lapsa]

minus nomics

leaving:

egix
flubb
profi

[Lapsa]

minus profii cause his repeated cop hinting looks like neighborizer

leaving:

egix
flubb

[Lapsa]

block: flubb

[Lapsa]

I want to kill Lolwagons for the threat presented there.

@mastina what do you mean by threat presented there?

[Lapsa]

agreed

guess we are done for now

[Lapsa]

I think he's VT. and I think town is likely to protect that slot if able to

that's the only issue

but since we already are taking up highest risk available on neighborizer&blocker theme - might as well do the same with the kill

[Lapsa]

I suppose night results are decent

[Lapsa]

mislynch costs at least 4 of them to be wrong

flubb opens the doors. he's definitely a candidate

[Lapsa]

I need to scumread these:

egix
sash
flubb
profi
robert

for progression to appear ~ legit

[Lapsa]

no protection, no vig, some1 has results?

[Lapsa]

This won't necessarily make Rob conftown, if it can be argued profii telegraphed it hard enough for it to be guessed.

yeah but don't rush this bit

leaves a slippery slip bad taste in mouth - like why would town even argue results got blocked before verification of profii's role claim?

[Lapsa]

leave me alone, I'm scumhunting!
^ townies

I wonder if they will let me through...

pedit: apparently not. at least not entirely. nikk on tail already

[Lapsa]

guessing you think that cause of "watch list"

[Lapsa]

pretty sure I can't afford to scumread nikk

@mastina gl on fighting wagonomics

[Lapsa]

also - I'm out of loop. what does ITH means?

[Lapsa]

until #684

flub > rob
wag > sash
laps > rob
mast > rob
nik > wag
sash > wag
triv > wag
eg > wag
sash > wag #2
wag > mast
lap -
pro > wag
sash -
flub > wag
triv > wag

wag
nik triv eg pro flub

[Lapsa]

atmosphere seems to be quite scumhunty out there, caution is advised

don't think we can successfully strike on wag

confusion is there though - think it's currently mostly waiting game

need to wear them out

I feel safe unless I fuck up my reads. and that they might come after you

[Lapsa]

a note for future:
considering kill on wagonomics if we get there

[Lapsa]

it's not an easy task to see who town is really after cause they don't know themselves

I'm imagining a scenario of slowly but surely building up towncred for wagonomics effectively making him the new LolWagons.
- 1-2 players that scumread him although otherwise appears fairly town to everyone else

into random mislynch (rob flubb maybe even profi) for bullshit reasons

into kill on wagonomics

think that kind of scenario would be quite a devastating blow

@mastina feels it would be beneficial if you could somehow change wagonomics read on you (w/o openly townreading him)

although there's always a chance I'm reading it wrong altogether

a waiting game...

not even clear if they will stomach venom post or I'm under a barrel

[Lapsa]

sadly #685 might be over the limits

hoping for best

[Lapsa]

then again - should be fine

as weird as it looks - we are still playing according to town intent

even if someone strikes - won't be easy to build a coherent case out of this

[Lapsa]

#685 also throws a vague shade on me which will hinder attempts to bundle us

[Lapsa]

for starters - sounds reasonable

but I do want to read through and have it another thought

[Lapsa]

this scenario is more dangerous than the one I imagined

we are still mostly safe unless someone nails it and case starts to resonate out of hand

[Lapsa]

I'm aware that my slot is slightly townier

be bold and try not to resort to bussing. think we can squeeze more out of this

and happy xmas!

[Lapsa]

TEH CHRISTMAS SPIRIT YAYYY!!111

[Lapsa]

flubb d2 entrance is ugly. likely abusable

[Lapsa]

triv's #625 abusable

[Lapsa]

xwing didn't post d2

[Lapsa]

reads list:

sash
egx
flub
triv
xwing
nikk
profii
rob

mastina

[Lapsa]

prof flub egx nikk sash rob triv

.5

prof + flub

.6

prof + egx

.3

nikk + sash

.6

sash % triv

.4

nikk % sash

.8

prof % rob

.10

triv % prof

d3

.10

triv + prof

--

0 xwing

[Lapsa]

triv and prof relations definitely has the most pressure at the moment

they pretty much dictated events of day 2 and resulted in a sacrifice of nomics

[Lapsa]

I don't see players suspicious of him.

agreed on this

nobody gives crap about flub

ain't seeing better kill yet

[Lapsa]

yeah... same with sash block

so I'm done for the night

[Lapsa]

.6

prof + egx

.5

prof + flub

.3

nikk + sash

.10

triv % prof

.8

prof % rob

.6

sash % triv

.4

nikk % sash

[Lapsa]

.8

prof % rob

^ I think I want to ride this one

after all - I have been rob hater for quite awhile

NB:

do not scumread triv in parallel or whole shit collapses

[Lapsa]

TODO:

check how far I can afford to scumread rob

[Lapsa]

triv kill would be sick on their minds

increases chances of your lynch too much

and likelihood to miss PR

[Lapsa]

triv kill would be sick on their minds

^ think this might be my biggest regret this game

[Lapsa]

would be fun though

[Lapsa]

they are making it easy -_-

[Lapsa]

triv's #746 is a trap

agree him hesitantly and only if need be

[Lapsa]

we should look for mislynch elsewhere :/

rob reveals roleblocker

[Lapsa]

they are making it easy -_-

so much for that...

[Lapsa]

NB:
do not scumread triv in parallel or whole shit collapses

damn restrictions... time to go play elsewhere

[Lapsa]

tbf I don't buy Triv's "plan"

even if it's genuine - it's likely to fail

especially given he mentioned it publicly

for now - just want to navigate day safely

[Lapsa]

*yawn*

[Lapsa]

This reluctance to outright bus has been present the whole game.

I like this one

[Lapsa]

nikk
triv
egx

sashaddin

rob
xwing
flub

mastina
lapsa

5 to lynch

[Lapsa]

I kill: Sashadin.
Lapsa blocks: Egix.

I suppose this works!

thought process for each?

[Lapsa]

how about no block?

[Lapsa]

@me copy pasta this crap early morning:

VOTE: robert

it feels like rob ain't doing anything this game

[Lapsa]

I'm going down down down... was fun

[Lapsa]

would be better not to catch that bait

but there has to be some kind of material to work with or I'll be forced to give out long & thoughtful read lists

who knows - they might end up chewing it

[Lapsa]

rob

triv

egx
nikk
xwing

mastina
lapsa

[Lapsa]

egx#910:

mastina - claims to be ascetic, so she is either an Ascetic Townie or scum. If the Ascetic Mafia Goon role is as OP as she claims it is, then (consider this) why would AsceticMG!mastina claim ascetic if that could risk her being outed at some point? In that case, if mastina is scum, I now think she's likely NOT ascetic and her ascetic claim is just lies.
Nikk - I was townreading him before, but the current gamestate has me in doubt on that.

^ abusable

[Lapsa]

I think I should scumread you and egx

gradually. starting with egx

with a slight cautiousness towards nikk

and silent (?) townread on xwing

[Lapsa]

that's - assuming they won't flash lynch me

seems quite unlikely though

[Lapsa]

scratch #168

it's more complex than that

depends heavily on their entrance

especially given rob's flop

[Lapsa]

egx

seems to be most confused and isolated.
too bad he also seems to be locked on me.
that might have changed though - hoping for some irrational sympathy caused by the way hammer fell down.
has suspicions on nikk.
null reads on mastina and xwing differs a lot meaning he's likely consciously trying to trap you

xwing

has been labeled as inexperienced.
although has shown some quite decent thought process here and there.
think he can be neutralized by overwhelming randomness (given others don't mind that).
seems to be townreading you and nikk.
most likely to vote egx (besides me ofc). has history on suspecting egx.
one scenario could be pushing xwing+nikk whenever egx shows reluctance to vote me.

nikk

feels most intelligent. more likely - there's some similarities in the way we think.
think he's chewing it and might end up being most reluctant to vote me.
egx hammer could have been a response to nikk's #932 (or more likely - my wishful thinking).
seems to be origin of double voter meme.

[Lapsa]

.8

xwing

+ nikk

.5

xwing

+ mastina

.6

nikk

+ xwing

.3

nikk

+ lapsa

.7

egx

% nikk

.7

egx

% lapsa

.3

egx

% mastina

.1

egx

% xwing

.5

xwing

% egx

.2

nikk

% mastina

[Lapsa]

^ and that's before triv's flip

actual situation will be worse than that. at least initially

[Lapsa]

then again - no...

triv's flip won't change much

[Lapsa]

trying to buddy up xwing and nikk

think will eventually state that I'm:
- townreading xwing (we can do some ol' fashioned good cop, bad cop action here )
- scumreading egx
- confused on nikk/mastina, giving slight town preference on nikk. or straight bussing if need be

whole idea depends on how hard egx's gonna fail today

I do see some potential pulling this through

think nikk is actually kinda close to be pushed over the edge.
just need to delicately feed him my "advanced scumhunting methodology".
he doesn't even need to agree to it. seeing myself convinced would be enough

[Lapsa]

#966 hits nicely

also provides reason to lynch egx first in my narrative

[Lapsa]

well... I'm too dumb to dissect that

[Lapsa]

scratch #176. that would just trigger lynch

[Lapsa]

think the only way to appear sort of town requires zero interaction with you and xwing

+ unlikely event of them fighting each other

[Lapsa]

hey! the cheese is moving!

xwing going aggro!

[Lapsa]

I wonder if we can pull strings on egx...

[Lapsa]

oh man... am I dreaming? is it really happening?

#971

[Lapsa]

oh yeah... while I'm still here

nikk seems to be optimal NK

[Lapsa]

#978 wasn't good

[Lapsa]

I think...

[Lapsa]

nah... those fuckers ain't half bad. underrated them

nikk + xwing combo is quite annoying

perhaps you should back down a bit

anyhow - it's fun!

[Lapsa]

let's vote lapsa first..
if not, then anyone convince me why not..

no hard feelings if you do

although that might be trap

[Lapsa]

we need to know what egx is thinkin

[Lapsa]

at the very least - xwing's panic has been worth the hassle

[Lapsa]

#978 wasn't good

oh crap... meant yours #976

and I'm wrong. it's actually quite nice

[Lapsa]

could be important later on:

89 - Good look for xwing IF Lapsa is scum.

[Lapsa]

#994 egx probably bluffing

which is fine

xwing seems to be susceptible having an issue with that

[Lapsa]

don't really care. although I doubt effectiveness

current situation isn't half-bad

it's enough with single xwing's unwillingness to vote you
(I find it kinda genuine)

for me - think nikk's my best friend

they all have shown some reluctance yet are prone to vote me

our job (obviously) is to keep em guessing so they don't converge on me

need to model vote sequence scenarios - who's gonna think what and how they are most likely to react

that's after I'm done impressing them with my "superb" scum hunting skills

[Lapsa]

well... my rage was legit in case anyone wonders

in fact - it would be tenfold if I were town

[Lapsa]

.8

xwing

+ nikk

^ by the looks - this one has changed

one scenario could be pushing xwing+nikk whenever egx shows reluctance to vote me.

[Lapsa]

we won't sway nikk. he will vote me for sure

[Lapsa]

I'm here. not sure which direction I should take

[Lapsa]

are you ready?

[Lapsa]

mastina, I summon you!

[Lapsa]

beep beep

[Lapsa]

bashing preview buttonz till you come online

[Lapsa]

@schadd_ I hate you

(not really, no)

[Lapsa]

this is the most "fun" part

[Lapsa]

even xwing invites you to vote! do it for democracy!

[Lapsa]

plot twist:

schadd_ is mastina : )

[Lapsa]

time to make some tea...

[Lapsa]

jasmine green tea

for me - this is enough.
don't mind losing now

although there's one more song...

[Lapsa]

placing a timer. will vote exactly 10 minutes after making this post here

[Lapsa]

6 left

[Lapsa]

5

[Lapsa]

3

[Lapsa]

2

[Lapsa]

30s

[Lapsa]

10s

[Lapsa]

/consent for release btw.

+1