Newbie 2037: Mafia Thread

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hello. I'm catching up now. Anything i should know?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think it is too dangerous to leave Norfolk alive and not NK them tonight? My thought was they claim tracker and if they dont die overnight wont that make it look more like a fake-claim?

The tracker claim should absolutely be killed.
But because town now has a 50% of having a doctor it's too risky to target them tonight. So we try to kill/expose the second PR and when that's done we murder the tracker.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dunnstral feels like a doctor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you say Dunnstral feels like doctor? He’s barely said anything

That's precisely the point.
Doctors say very little because they want to stay unnoticed and not get eliminated or seen as an obvious target by the mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My track record for PR hunting is quite good just so you know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First we need to dissipate this wagon on you. The best way is to find a scapegoat. Dunnstral is not the optimal choice imo. They are a stronger player and will likely claim PR if we wagon them, putting more suspicion on us if we are voting them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m kinda glad you’re here I’ve heard from past games you’re quite good at scum

Hmm i don't know about that.
But i am trying to get better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope i'm not acting too smug in the thread.
Rolling scum tends to do that to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i’m on. What u wanna talk about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw i think you should explain which voters on you that you find suspicious. You gotta say you think there’s scum on your wagon. (Wiyvern) or you’ll look suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take care.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who is the doctor/Friendly neighbor?

Goon - Norwee
Rolecop - Mini
Tracker - Norfolkboy

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ItalianoVD: No. (Outed VT based on continuing to push tracker claim)
Rockhopper: No. (Outed VT based on essentially saying: “i will vote Norfolk if someone CC’s because i still scumread them”)
Wiyvern: Likely not. (Seems unlikely to be PR based on previous slot siteflaking. Bit of an: “i don’t care attitude”)
Facebones: Likely not. (Newbie being somewhat bold in their play)
Bakslash: Maybe. (Newbie doing very little)
Dunnstral: Very possible. (SE doing cautious play. Arguing that: “it’s not a good idea to continue pushing Norfolk”. Feels like they are constantly crumbing doctor with their play)

[NorwegianboyEE]

It might be Bakslash too. But Dunnstral could become more of an threat so might be best to try shooting there regardless.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah that’s what i was thinking. We should only have one of us do the kill tonight to minimize chsnce of being tracked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we’re in a pretty good position right now so just don’t say anything that’ll make you look suspicious and we should be able to keep up this level of control for a while.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Make sure to trust Italiano, he will be in our pocket from now on. Dunnstray just try to keep them at null so they don’t bother with you.
Don’t townread Facebones and Rock. They’re our primary enemies right now. But don’t attack them too strongly because we need their support to eliminate Wiyvern.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don’t stray too much from your earlier reads list though. Staying consistent with your reads and explaining openly and with good reasoning why they are changing is the key to being townread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm thinking our game plan should be to eliminate Wiyvern today, kill Dunnstral. And then we eliminate one of Facebones/Rockhopper with the help of Italiano.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Needless to say, you should townread me in the thread. There is no reason for us to distance by scumreading each other. I think we're already doing a decent job at it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure thing. Gotta prioritize health first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Will you be able to post?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The game is real quiet, so if we both post and argue we can easily exert our influence in the thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please, i need you here to at least place votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i thought about it, and Wiyvern is E-1 but idk if just hammering is the best choice for you since you've already made an suspect vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you should argue that you find Facebones scummy in an believable manner. And not hammer yet, but instead try to make it seem like you really want him but "regrettably" hammer Wiyvern once the deadline get's close.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're not sure, say something like "i haven't been paying much attention but i really don't like Facebones's posts these latest pages" or something to that extent. And comment your thoughts on the Wiyvern wagon. That you agree they're scummy but Facebones looks worse so you'll be ok with an Wiyvern elimination but would prefer Facebones more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope i'm not too commanding. I want you to type things in your own words and describe your own thoughts if possible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should describe why you find them scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If someone asks you why and you stutter it will look really bad, always have some form of believable explanation behind your agenda.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, describe why you find Facebones scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want you to play it safe. If you say something suspect people might pounce on you again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay I have a question why is Wiyvern scummy?

If you read my ISO you'll see that my main point is that i argued their reads list was bad, fake and manufactured.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And the reasoning behind their reads didn't hold up. Yada yada.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead of trying to progress through things, it seems more of a defensive act. They are trying to push the vote onto someone else and that is just looking bad

Is that for Facebones? That's great. Put that into your post and then it will be good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good stuff. This is looking pretty good for us now. As long as we don't mess up night actions and get tracked this game will be in the bad i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

in the bag*

[NorwegianboyEE]

So who do you think is the best kill tonight

Hmm. Still Dunnstral.
But i could be swayed to kill someone else if you got a better idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just think it's best to make the kill someone that has a low thread presence since we already have pocketed Italiano nicely. He's our pawn. And we can control the thread through him, and if things turn around he'll take the blame haha.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should have expected it, Dunnstral was your previously stated highest scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

People will want an believable explanation why you stopped openly scumreading them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you're doing fine though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just said they arent as scummy rn but they are still in my range

Yeah i'm reading the thread too lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Should I be voting someone?

No. Don't let them pressure you.
Stand your ground.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact, you should probably ask him why he's rushing you. And that you're thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It looks like here are 4 ghost votes on Facebones at the moment (Mini, wiyvern, myself, Norwegian) Gotta wait for Rock, Dunn, and bakslash to come in and see what they say. Face was already scum in my Face/Rock coupling and over the last few pages it’s clear for me that I’d rather go for Facebones than wiyvern.

If we town decides to eliminate Facebones that's fine with me btw.
That just means we can argue Wiyvern is scum instead of Face tommorow instead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll not be posting for a while now. Since i think this is likely to lead to a town elimination regardless. So we're fine.
Feel free to ask me questions in here though.
And you can also make more posts in thread. They can be about whatever as long as it's either fun for you or advances our scum agenda.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well the thread died

That's not bad, let townies be zombies and deadline will inch slowly closer. Making them rush an elimination on town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm really having fun this game, i don't think i've ever exerted this level of control in the thread as scum before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which of us do you think is best to kill?

Hmmm. It depends a bit on how the end of the day plays out i think. So i'm not sure yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since you're still learning how to play scum:

Are you going to vote someone?

Why are you trying to rush me anyway?

This is an classic interaction of how to play well as scum, because you're deflecting his answer and making him look bad in the process. Which is your main goal as scum. To look good and secure miseliminations.
Townies will now hopefully have more doubt about Wiyverns intentions and be more willing to see his elimination through.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The goal is to end up like me and Wiyvern right now.
Wiyvern thinks i am town scumreading him for a valid reason, so he isn't questioning the fact that i'm voting him. He's instead suspecting Facebones whom is also town. Which means i can safely eliminate him and tommorow i hopefully won't even be looked at as an suspect when they inevitably flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You could hammer with the justification that we wouldn’t all be able to get online to build a new wagon, have them claim and hammer.
Tell Wiyvern you are intending to hammer and see if they get back on to claim. If they don’t. Just hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Express fear that if Wiyvern doesn’t get time to claim he could be a power role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or just wait until deadline get’s real tight and do it then i guess.
Or you could wait for someone else to do it.
It’s up to you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have to kill Dunnstral because they are immune to my bullshit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s also a bit of an fear kill you see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i also think you made an mistake of placing them as your top scumread. So it’sbetter to just remove that troublesome individual from the game. And then you can argue Dunn isn’t an kill you’d make as scum if you’re suspected in the future.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh it's fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just be a bit more confident lol.
People trust confident players more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually many players trust not confident players. But being confident helps more when you’re scum i think.
Because the goal is to take control and be charismatic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Perfect.
Wiyvern is doctor.
Norfolk is tracker.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This means we can’t kill Dunnstral. We have to kill Wiyvern and then Norfolk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you had hammered here you’d be so screwed the next day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Omg, this is perfect. Italiano is rushing the vote on Facebones.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is going swimmingly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

MiniMegabite kills Wiyvern

^Our night action.
Unless you object to this Mini. But i do not think Norfolk will be tracking you tonight. He scumreads Rockbones and will probably target him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I might have LAMISTED too hard with that unvote-after-hammer stunt.
Hope that doesn’t come back to bite me in the ass.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can also push the fact that he voted me and then claimed he scumread me because "Facebones is town" which really makes no sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, he voted Facebones and then said "Facebones is town"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seriously. Rockhopper will be SO easy to miseliminate tommorow it's not even funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Remember to push Rockhopper hard tomorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, i can do it.
I've got tons of posts to use against him and i'm good at aggressive pushing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh what's the worst that can happen. The important thing is to have fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini i think you should wait with pushing Rockhopper since he's pinned you as an likely teammate to me.
Let's stay a bit quiet and see which way things are going before we act.

[NorwegianboyEE]

True, and we can rely on it.
But let's just wait to see how Italiano and Dunnstral's reads become.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should probably post something in the main thread just to show that you're paying attention.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Firstly, Norway tried to unvote when he was unsure about Rockhopper, which I don't think scum would fo and secondly, I tracked him and he didn't go anywhere, which wholst not clearing him completely, reduces the odds on him being scum.

Holy shit, good thing i made you do the track.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Firstly, Norway tried to unvote when he was unsure about Rockhopper, which I don't think scum would fo and secondly, I tracked him and he didn't go anywhere, which wholst not clearing him completely, reduces the odds on him being scum.

Holy shit, good thing i made you do the track.

The kill*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, i didn’t expect them to track me. But i thought they would be least likely to track you because you didn’t actually place an vote on the Facebones wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By the way, forget what i said about Dunnstral earlier. You might as well keep them as your scumread. We have to kill Rock tonight anyway. They are too risky to keep alive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This means if Rock is hammered today we’re looking at an ELO of:
Norwee & Mini
VS
Italiano, Dunnstral, Bakslash

[NorwegianboyEE]

Italiano, Dunnstral, Bakslash

Tbh i’m not sure who’s best to push here.
Maybe Dunnstral. Because i think Italiano and Bakslash can be sold on an scum team with Dunnstral in it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have to kill Rock tonight anyway. They are too risky to keep alive.

Omg. *Norfolk
The tracker.
I’m tired so mixing names sorry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn.
It’s not looking good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Very unlucky that so many scummy player wagons have been PR and we’re forced to kill them. It would have been easier if we could have killed the SE’s.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m considering if we should chance our risk and make me kill Italiano tonight. Having him in ELO is worse than i thought.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It won’t work.
It will be too weird that we didn’t CC them earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need major distancing ASAP. How about you say you scumread me and vote me? But it needs to look natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or you can say you scumread me and then vote Bakslash. Basically agreeing with Italiano's current plan.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually that's a good plan.
Vote Bakslash and we can argue and pull out some scum theatre. We need more interactions in the thread or it will become obvious we're alligned.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We NEED to get into an situation where you argue i'm scum with Bakslash, and you're voting Bakslash. While i argue you're scum with Rockhopper, and i'm voting Rockhopper.
Or this is going to be an loss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote Bakslash and say you think i might be scum because Facebones scumread me and they flipped town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And also that you think Bakslash is very likely scum because of their play so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You and backslash have barely interacted

Good point. Bring that up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hopefully we're doing very good. If we keep up this dichotomy of Bakslash VS Rockhopper it doesn't matter which one is eliminated in the end as they are both miseliminations anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Rock is eliminated you get towncred, if Bakslash is eliminated i get towncred. And either way we look less like scum partners so either both or one of us should have the opportunity to endgame.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure, the goal is for us to argue as much as possible so nobody will ever thing "Norwee/Mini might be scum partners" again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh Dunnstral is so annoying.
He’s obvtowning but impossible to predict and manipulate because they barely ever post anything or share their thoughts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just wait to see if Rockhopper or Bakslash get's eliminated i guess?
If you've got any incriminating posts or behaviour on any of them now's the time to share them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think you should openly townread them. Just say they are marginally less scummy than Bakslash or something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

vote: bakslash

Bakslash - Norw - Mini is gg

Ok so here's the plan. You will try to convince people that Bakslash/Norwee is an likely solve. And agree with whatever Rockhopper is saying. Make yourself look like a likely teammate to him.
Then tommorow when Bakslash is hopefully eliminated and flips town, i will argue that Rockhopper/Mini is the scum team but explicitly vote Rockhopper. You will then wait until hopefully someone agrees and puts Rock to E-1, in which case you will immediately hammer and we win the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bakslash would be best for us i think. But i can't let up my push on Rockhopper, it will look too suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You need to make sure it happens. That's your job today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini can you help push this hammer through, plz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i might just hammer. And then i can push Rock tommorow...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i'm heavily considering that we risk the track and keep Norfolk alive and kill Dunnstrall instead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Our PR roll is like top tier unlucky because Wiyvern and Norfolk are the players with the most wrong reads, yet we're forced to kill them while letting the people with good reads that are an actual threat to us live.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This feels really awkward.
But do you think if i say something like:
"I'm willing to hammer Bakslash just to advance the day, but if they are town i'm gunning for Rockhopper tommorow"?
It will sound ok? Or too fake?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If people react negatively to what i said now i'll just call it reaction testing i guess. Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All we have to do is push the last two miseliminations through.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yeah, we probably have to kill the tracker. I just wish we didn't have to as an ELO with them in it would be so much easier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either of us kill Norfolk. Doesn’t matter who.
Your rolecop ability isn’t relevant at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you thing we have better chances by getting someone else i'm all ears. But i think it's best to play it safe since the tracking from Norfolk has been a bit unpredictable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And also he is conf!town so if he get's a fix on either of us the town might follow his lead. Better to just kill him after all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE Kills Norfolk Boy1

^ Our action for night 2

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just came up with another good argument for us tommorow.
One of us should say something like "Norfolk Boy was confirmed town and he wanted Rockhopper yesterday. We know he wasn't influenced by scum and therefore eliminating Rock is the safe choice here."

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why?
We’re doing good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini, don't place your vote yet. Wait until either Italiano or Dunnstral places a vote on Rock and then hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright. Try to log on at intervals in case i need you to hammer tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can't be the second vote as it will become too obvious you're allied with me. So i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to ask you to not place your vote until at least one of Italiano/Dunnstral is voting Rockhopper.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would be nice if Mini could say something too. Their silence in this critical hour feels pretty scummy.

(You don’t need to say anything btw)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like poison is just oozing from my mouth in this ELO.
Sorry about this Rockhopper, it'll all be over soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

K it failed.
New plan, vote me. Kill Rockhopper. And try to survive the next ELO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Italiano just voted me. I'm E-1. So unless Dunnstral votes Rock i'm pretty much screwed here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can wait it out if you want, but it might look obvious that you're my teammate if Dunnstral votes me out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

True, it's hard though. I'm not very good at creating content when the entire game is super silent and i'm scum. I usually thrive on interactions so when there are none i just... deactivate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess we can try pushing an Rock/Italiano team. Not sure how Dunnstral will react to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sorry MiniMegabyte but i see no way out of this. I'm going to self-vote to deprive Dunnstral the chance to hammer and then you'll have to fight for your survival in the next day phase. I suggest killing Rockhopper. Good luck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or alternatively, you could kill Italiano and try to WIFOM Rock into voting Dunnstral. That might actually be feasible too.
Up to you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact it might be better for you to kill Italiano since the Italiano/Dunnstral townblock is a little bit too strong... But Rock MIGHT consider voting either of Italiano/Dunnstral if you're convincing enough...

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can try, but i’m not really sure what Rock thinks. He might still be set on an Norwee/Mini solve.