Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [scum pt]

[osuka]

what's up nerds

[osuka]

informed mafia about informed town with the informed town information?

that's meta as fuck, very interesting information

[osuka]

did someone say bus

[osuka]

ill bus all of you nerds

[osuka]

in other news holy shit did i get under her skin, that was the quickest ive ever done that. i didnt even mean to do it this time around it just kinda happened

[osuka]

lmao im having way too much fun fucking with pawnsgambit over there

[osuka]

shit's hilarious

[osuka]

lmao i dont know but im just going with it

[osuka]

hahahahah holy shit i'm iN ANDRES' HEAD

[osuka]

he's not pocketed yet but BOY DO I HAVE A ONE-WAY TICKET TO MY POCKET WITH HIS NAME ON IT

[osuka]

i love the way you're playing this with the spam posting

the presence is nice

that’s just how i play lmao

[osuka]

i’ve made an enemy but honestly i don’t think he’s a very dangerous one since really, calling people stupid isn’t a tell of mine, it’s just something i do

[osuka]

huh i forgot green was scum

[osuka]

no actually i was townreading you

[osuka]

like i actively try to forget im scum and who im playing with because that helps a lot with me not giving tells or anything of the sort. i have been caught on occasion as has everyone else, but i don't think i know anyone who can reliably read me

[osuka]

Osuka is too funny to be scum, therefore is town.

i really wanna sig this post game

[osuka]

std reading me as town is a big win for now

[osuka]

I did a breif read through osuka's scum game in

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74913

and my initial gut is that he's town here.

[osuka]

lots and lots of drugs

[osuka]

^ how did you get that from 452? if there were 5 scum id be with you but i think i missed something here

[osuka]

that's what i'm saying - if there _were_ 5 scum, i.e. if he was challenging the correctness of a statement that is actually incorrect even if it is based on a sane assumption, i would be very confident he is informed. since the statement is incorrect and there are indeed 3 mafia, i don't think that amounts to anything

no multiball here since it's not normal in minis

[osuka]

can one of you guys point out that most games on MS have mafia daytalk? i just realized its not in the rules and i would point that out but it looks funny if i do

[osuka]

in a town game i would just call it out myself but since i have ~you guys~ i figured itd be better if someone else did it

[osuka]

Osuka is one of the most townish players in the game and VFP has been attacking him.

going to keep a close eye on this slot to prevent the potential for complacency, but despite minor gut pings, osuka is probably my strongest townread so far.

osuka - Gut townread based on how he's interacting with everyone. That's very general and I can go through his iso and find some examples if someone wants but it's 110 posts

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment

[osuka]

this one is @datisi, i hope you enjoy the meme

[osuka]

@DATISI I WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR POST IN THE MOD THREAD ABOUT HOW FUNNY YOU THINK THAT WAS

[osuka]

D A D D Y LIVES IN THE MAFIA PT TOO

[osuka]

thaaaaaat's what im here for

[osuka]

hahahahahah what the fuck is happening in this game

page 26 and there’s not a single vote on any one of us

ridonkulous

[osuka]

can one of you guys point out that most games on MS have mafia daytalk? i just realized its not in the rules and i would point that out but it looks funny if i do

i just read/skimmed in a catch up. what would be the impetus for mentioning daytalk? I didn't catch where it was being discussed in the thread

uhh

the big post with a readslist that had me right at the top in 605

before you do anything, how do you feel about that idea? everyone seems to have ignored it or missed it

[osuka]

before you do anything, how do you feel about that idea? everyone seems to have ignored it or missed it

of COURSE as soon as i say that they ask me about it

i should just shut the fuck up

[osuka]

we absolutely need to kill rmh tonight because if he's the tracker, then we're screwed

that's the one thing that they can get us with. on the other hand, we know they probably have a doctor and they know we have doctors, so really i think we might be fucked

[osuka]

hahahahahh holy shit did we just out two PRs on day 1???? this is brilliant

[osuka]

okay so i think its really safe to assume we have a vig, then a town doctor and tracker also make sense

so doc = andante, tracker = rmh, vig = ???

[osuka]

lemons is a vt

first half of 1120 says all you need to know

[osuka]

andante is informed

so that's why the question about 3 mafia. the thought was probably that there were 4 mafia but saying that is really strange, so she goes with 2 maf 1 traitor without mention of a vig. that's strange, but 1160 strongly suggests that she has privileged information

[osuka]

so she's thinking that because there can't be 4 maf, there's a vig and vig + tracker is too strong

[osuka]

@mod: would an informed gunsmith count towards the 4 gun-having players in this game? There is no public info about what the role of the informed town-aligned player is, but assuming it's an informed gunsmith, we can't have a vig here right?

[osuka]

thats what im thinking gc, but if she's a gunsmith then i'm assuming that means we can't have a vig. in that case, why the fuck do we have 3 mafia docs?

[osuka]

yeah that's what i was asking

so if the gunsmith claim is legitimate, there is no vig. but if there's no vig, why are we doctors? bus driver?

[osuka]

is there a killing role that doesn't have a gun?

[osuka]

the only thing i can reply is confirming that gunsmiths have a gun.

also daddy.

no wait actually that's not what i was asking

assuming the informed townie and the gunsmith are the same person, which of the following information does he have:
- there are 4 players,

including yourself

, that have guns, or;
- there are 4 players,

other than yourself

, that have guns?

[osuka]

again assuming that there's a gunsmith, the information that there are 4 players that will show as having a gun WOULD include said gunsmith, right?

[osuka]

@team the question now is: do we think that andante has a supermassive brain and is actually just an informed townie baiting a mafia kill to spare a vig?

[osuka]

i think we should look for who started hardcore defending that slot as soon as the information about 4 guns came out. if we can find a person whose read flipped, i would say there's a decent shot that's our vig

[osuka]

i can't answer that. the informed role is informed of there being a total of 4 players in the game that have a gun.

okay yeah you answered my question

[osuka]

one hundred emoji

[osuka]

hahahah holy shit andres and rmh are TEARING into each other and i absolutely ~LOVE~ it

[osuka]

oh get fucked, pooky just nailed us

[osuka]

what the fuck??????

mafia doctors do not have guns? i dont know anything anymore

[osuka]

is this a 2 vig setup? DATISI WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[osuka]

okay im almost positive that there's a vet in this game

[osuka]

datisi is there a vet in this game

blink twice for yes

[osuka]

so why the fuck is there a gunsmith if maf doctors dont have guns? isn't that pro scum?

[osuka]

i think im having a stroke

[osuka]

datisi what have you done

[osuka]

green if you read this post game i hope you’re okay

[osuka]

we, on the other hand, are definitely not ok. there’s a very real chance you’re gonna be d1 exec and anya is nowhere to be found

[osuka]

wait what the fuck you just softclaimed gunsmith??? what on earth is going on

[osuka]

okay im almost positive that there's a vet in this game

vet/pgo isnt normal

it’s not? then where the fuck do we get 4 gun owners this game? we’ll say one gunsmith, one vig, two fat question marks?

[osuka]

i’m struggling to make sense of the doctors here though. why do we have 3 docs if there’s no tracker? isn’t tracker the obvious role to counter that?

[osuka]

i always deep wolf, baby

[osuka]

what the fuck

i step out for one fucking minute to get coffee and next thing i know theres a pm from datisi

[osuka]

so who do we kill? should we doc each other always or is that risky with a tracker?

[osuka]

is it really a good idea to kill pooky if hes informed

[osuka]

okay why arent we killing the claimed tracker or a suspected vig

i think rmh isnt the best kill here but why not, say, andante?

[osuka]

i guess anda is prob gunsmith anyways so might be a good idea to keep her around, but still. maybe andres?

[osuka]

on second thought: doesnt killing pooky kinda fuck your slot a bit?

[osuka]

did someone say bus

[osuka]

ill do it because i think im one of the most townread slots in the game

[osuka]

saves vfp???

[osuka]

if you think pooky is vig we should just kill that slot instead of the tracker

[osuka]

i can be okay with killing tracker. healing vfp???

[osuka]

insurance policy - need to be actually targeting someone.

if we’re killing what we think is the tracker, why are we not healing each other?

[osuka]

i think we risk a heal on anya. i agree i’m not getting shot and if anyone is, it really is probably you, but she might get killed here too

[osuka]

but we're not and if he outs someone, it'll be a town pr. i think we keep that slot alive

[osuka]

yeah i know good nka is helpful, but knowing who the PRs is is as well. i dont think not having killed the gs makes them go "oh yeah it's 3x maf doctor", because that's frankly an insane setup and i wouldnt believe it either

[osuka]

i think we just kill the tracker first because thats a bigger threat. i can definitely agree with gunsmith second

[osuka]

because really i dont think they will figure out _tomorrow_ that the gunsmith actually generates innos instead of guilties

[osuka]

gunsmith sees me with no gun? I just die.

and it clears the tracker too as they are dead in GY.

and it gives town info we are more scared of tracker than GS.

do you see where I am coming from?

no yeah i get it, like i realized that a while back but i was just conflicted about it. it’s fine though, either way is honestly a bit of a gamble so if you wanna do this i’m okay with it

let’s get it

[osuka]

day will only start tomorrow because datisi needs to resolve 57 night actions

[osuka]

i am trying to resolve night *while* i am in class and this is the thanks i get?

not making fun of you, just showing compassion for a mod who has to resolve a stupid amount of actions

all the while completely ignoring the fact that you made the setup so you totally brought that upon yourself

[osuka]

what class is it

[osuka]

okay what the fuck happened

[osuka]

neopolitans have guns, vigs have guns, I have a gun, that's 3 guns there, 1 more in play. at least 1 scum has a gun.

[osuka]

no i meant like in the thread

[osuka]

okay you should

i said i was gonna be cautious and i can’t go back on thag

[osuka]

and yeah lmao i can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction in endgame when we win and they see three docs

[osuka]

i can definitely endgame, i’m in a good spot here

[osuka]

i mean they just ate that didn’t they

[osuka]

shoutout to datisi for informing someone of 4 guns where none of them are in this thread

[osuka]

i cant flip on andres and i think keeping him alive helps keep me alive because it feels like he trusts me for absolutely no good reason

[osuka]

feel free to push it though

[osuka]

do we believe the fact that asteria is even night?

[osuka]

youre gonna like this one

[osuka]

i dont know if i wanna lolhammer like that, since im fairly widely townread other than asteria

[osuka]

im also honestly just having a laugh with that shitpost and i just spent way too long writing these plots so i'll take a break and come back later

[osuka]

i like the scum theater, keep it up

[osuka]

it was quality honestly i enjoyed reading it

thanks, thats what im here for

[osuka]

we need this asteria lim before it loses momentum

yeah i know

[osuka]

anya, can you put her at e-1? otherwise ill just vote when someone else unvotes

[osuka]

Yeah, but I'm not thinking about a T3 flip instead of Asteria anymore, like, I'm thinking about finding an actual scumread.

name starts with an a and ends in ndresvmb

I was thinking more along the lines of starts with s and ends in alsabil Faria

i can also get behind this if you think asteria is a bad exec, which is also something ive said

Dude this is 4he opposite of what we need

yes i understand but i cant do that without nuking my slot

[osuka]

lemons is acutely aware of my slot and the fact that im strongly against putting her to e-1, at least on the surface. if i do that, one of two things happen: either we get a quickhammer and get the slot and i get asked some very uncomfortable questions d3, or we don't get a quickhammer and i risk derailing the whole wagon because i'm being asked some very uncomfortable questions d2

[osuka]

in other news

though fwiw if osuka is scum here he is a force to be reckoned with and kinda has this game on lock so far.

[osuka]

i voted asteria now because people unvoted. my vote is not getting off of that slot in the foreseeable future, so there's your quickhammer opportunity. people are probably gonna vote that slot again tomorrow, i think i can sway lemons here and then we'll be good to go

[osuka]

sorry i literally just got off work

[osuka]

need to take care of some stuff real quick then ill come catch up and vote

[osuka]

wait hahahah what the fuck???

[osuka]

okay real quick, do we believe that the neapolitan is non-consecutive or should we kill that slot tonight?

[osuka]

okay so with that in mind, who’s our kill? lemons? i would say definitely not vfp, maybe pooky?

[osuka]

but a backup for what? universal backup?

[osuka]

did any of you notice lemons back off a slot when they claimed a specific pr? that could hint as to what he's a backup for

[osuka]

andante? i say we just kill lemons here and then go for andante after. andante dying confirms vfp town and i can push her tomorrow with "why is she even alive at this point"

[osuka]

i dont think we should kill andante

[osuka]

though actually, fuck. killing lemons confirms her as gs

[osuka]

fuck it lets just kill pooky

[osuka]

andante is not asteria btw

there you go you’ve said everything i needed to hear, i’m a moron

[osuka]

and frankly i’m not too worried, i’ve gotten out of much worse and this is roughly like i play town anyway, though i’m not too proud of this scum game so far

[osuka]

pagetops are for daddy in scum pt as well

[osuka]

no yeah andante is a good kill, im with it

[osuka]

i would say just do it if you have to

should i hard bus or not

[osuka]

i mean i think i have to tunnel you if theres only one nk

[osuka]

Either way that's max 1 scum within:

Pooky, Anya, Osuka, VFP, Andres because there must be at least TWO liars in the gun category unless NONE of the scum have gun in which case I WILL FLAME DATISI SO HARD AFTER THIS GAME FOR PUTTING A INFORMED GUNSMITH INTO A GAME WHERE SCUM DONT HAVE A SINGLE GUN LIKE WHAT A RIDICULOUS GAME

[osuka]

DA A DY YYDY

[osuka]

yeah asteria definitely checks anya or myself tonight, which is worrying. we can't have that happen

[osuka]

i realize what im saying in thread doesnt make a lot of sense but the game doesnt make a whole lot of sense anyway, so really i'm trying to perpetuate the confusion

[osuka]

ill present that slot as a compromise when the time is right

[osuka]

i mean more like right now

i cant just come out and say that, it has to be in context. when i muster strength to reply to vfp's post ill mention that

[osuka]

i mean shit i was gonna hammer

[osuka]

as hard as i find it to believe that we're in a +mafdoc -vig universe, i find it even harder to believe that datisi would play such a cruel joke on us as giving us a gunsmith with no armed mafia. i'd rather lose based on the assumption that he wouldn't stoop to such levels than eat ourselves in a paranoid frenzy.

[osuka]

[osuka]

imma flip doc and its gonna be gg

gg for us or for them

[osuka]

okay maybe i shouldve clarified

do we win or do we lose

[osuka]

is anya up right now? it’s really late but i can hang for 15 minutes to get the hammer. if not we go tomorrow

[osuka]

i’m here

[osuka]

message on here before voting so that nobody unvotes

[osuka]

there are a couple ways, let’s just do it in here honestly

i’ll let you know in a couple minutes when i’m in front of the computer. post here after that when you’re ready, then i’ll confirm and we do it

[osuka]

ready

[osuka]

go

[osuka]

we did it fellers

[osuka]

damn datisi that was a disgustingly fast lock

[osuka]

[osuka]

no redactions from me because i think redactions should be ILLEGAL

[osuka]

i just wanna see the dead thread lmao

[osuka]

good job team you two were great