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[Gamma Emerald]

That also seems viable

[Gamma Emerald]

I also think we should spend this night phase in our hydra PT a bit aggregating things to hold onto when we make our claim as evidence in support of our claim.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like T3 kill works best for maybe the opposite reason Nancy does. T3 is either masons with TC and tictac or bluffing, but he’s obvtown either way for it. By blanking T3’s flip, we remove someone who is nigh untouchable in the day phase while also giving us room to operate how we want wrt the TC and tictac slots.
I also feel like that kill might work well for optics on our slot

[Gamma Emerald]

But if they’re a mason, then we can’t get tictac and TC miselimed.

ummm well if that's the mason team, killing one and janitoring it doesn't mean we'll be able to kill them tomorrow.
like at best, you get them both to claim mason. how is that good for us.
1) takes power out of my hands
2) we lalready know they are masons according to you

T3 is way townier than either of TC or tictac. BY blanking T3's flip, if he's mason that can't be effectively concluded by town, there's enough bullshit quotient for T3 that it's believable he just bluffed having a role-related reason to think TC!town. I don't think people would really trust TC and tictac claiming they're masons with T3 without t3 there to back it up.

[Gamma Emerald]

also i think tomorrow is a doc. it makes no sense that they aren't. why would they claim that just like that???

Because Sakura claimed it first.

she didn't. she softed but never claimed. i don't believe tomorrow is a player that would've caught that soft.

Sakura outright CCed TC when TC claimed, and it was painfully obvious Sakura was doc by how she said she played her role right and it did nothing.

but he’s obvtown either way for it.

is he? i think he's p scummy

I'm more familiar with T3, this is very much how he acts as town. blind faith in certain reads is like his number one towntell.

[Gamma Emerald]

They already fucked up by letting that hammer go through. At this point a mason claim likely gets regarded as not enough to save them.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not that it’s a risk and more that it’s their best bet

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to argue Elsa was meant as the fall guy and there's multiple scum involved in the D2 raid

[Gamma Emerald]

Bulletproof is a passive unless otherwise stated.

[Gamma Emerald]

huh???

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Alisae, Alisaie
that's the name of one of the characters

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to think of a way we could manipulate that to get one of Elsa/Wheme to go deeper
what was H1H2's flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm racking my brain trying to think how likely it would be that someone would put together what T3 was claiming to know, and realize that his info was in some way nabbed
I feel like it's probable atm

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Titus might be some sort of flavor cop

[Gamma Emerald]

I do not know. I’ll wait for mastina to post again before thinking you’re in the clear though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is Wheme even getting pressured RN?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think that would fit his flavor though (which is Wedge)

[Gamma Emerald]

I know how to use a wiki

[Gamma Emerald]

This is still pending flavor reference but if Wheme claims to have targeted Titus rather than Romance as JK last night, that would probably go over well

[Gamma Emerald]

The issue is killing in the raid outs that we have a strongman
So hopefully someone stays off that’s a good shot choice

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ve literally seen more or less the same role not too long ago, in a game Dwlee was also in iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

But the good news is there’s nothing about T3’s role that exonerates TC or tictac
I’m probably gonna keep pushing Dwlee until he claims though because to back off now might be suspicious

[Gamma Emerald]

Can the raid reward from today (and ig yesterday) be held onto past the first night it is available to be used?

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly if Titus stays off of it we probably good. Also;

@Mod: What will I flip as now if I perish?

because that seems important.

I dunno if I literally flip to everyone as an informed townie or if my flavor is still hidden or not after death.

Lahabrea

How would the actual rolecard for Elsa appear?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh. Not this raid. We should let this one go through anyway. It doesn't hurt us much.

And now we know Titus is tracker like I thought. Nice.

Wheme wants to upgrade role tho

[Gamma Emerald]

And iirc this is the Titan raid so that means he gets the rolecop addition which has been a constant thing bemoaned by y’all guys

[Gamma Emerald]

we kind of might need mastina dead soon.

Yeah, we don’t want tictac/TC IC’d but we need to kill Mastina BEFORE she does the janitor uncover thing, otherwise we have to keep her alive because we can’t have her role cleared AFTER she does this.

I’m worried that she lied about the correct night and day because she didn’t vote for the bp raid. I might urge her to be on it. If necessary, I might even offer to give her my spot.

If she doesn’t do the recovering tonight, then why doesn’t she want tonight’s bp?

It’s deathly clear that TC/tictac aren’t getting cleared by mastina, Dwlee is
Dwlee said T3 was “like a brother” to him, so unless I’m getting troubadour’d that seems like claiming he’s Alisaie and has the equivalent info on T3 that T3 had on him

[Gamma Emerald]

Not Alisae
AlisaIe. That’s a character from FFXIV.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dwlee sure as hell softed it
And T3 obviously misinterpreted his role.

[Gamma Emerald]

elsa is the "logical" vote rn
tictac/dwlee are still scummy but should be held off on

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, so he’s the lockclear? Oh I get it now, so Mastina can’t hurt us then. Because she apparently used her one shot on this raid. She should have used it on the last one. If she realizes scum has a strongman, scum really has no reason to want this to fail other than multitasking, which would only be an issue if we’re the only scum left.

Actually I was dead fucking wrong and it probably makes dwlee scummier than ever
I just can't really barrel in with that read yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah the claiming Bambi thing was super outlandish, Bambi is Elsa’s alt

[Gamma Emerald]

What are you planning to claim rn Elsa?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you should claim one of Q+R/Mystics as your N1 peek with no PT as the result and someone like Toog or Bell who’s not conftown but also not getting miseliminated any time soon as you N2 no PT result
Or if you want to flip those that’s okay, but I think (a buddy) + (a very low-odds miselim prospect) is the way to go

[Gamma Emerald]

not worth failing it imo

[Gamma Emerald]

anyway y'all need to actually show up enough to not get limmed, ESPECIALLY Wheme
Wheme is basically getting wagoned because he's a non-presence, THE EXACT SAME SHIT HE PULLED IN LN 213

[Gamma Emerald]

You should claim one of your checks on Wheme if he doesn’t turn up soon

[Gamma Emerald]

FUTHERMUCKER
Enter is probably one of the TC heads

[Gamma Emerald]

You miiiight still have a chance idk

[Gamma Emerald]

We do
Mystics might

[Gamma Emerald]

Or
We can kill Toog, and leave town in a foggy sea wrt parsing flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

Because there’s zero chance he gets miseliminated after you flip

[Gamma Emerald]

She won’t be able to rationalize that when they’ve claimed flavors that aren’t Alisaie.

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck

that’s true

[Gamma Emerald]

We can still make a strong argument against mastina if she tries to push that line of logic though

[Gamma Emerald]

Dwlee has deferred being Alisaie already
If he claims it now he’s signing his own death warrant

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

StD is informed townie
Mastina is not that I think?

[Gamma Emerald]

If mastina is a PGO that fucks up our idea to fakeclaim bomb so I’d

very much

like to know what gave you

that

idea?!!!?

[Gamma Emerald]

I seriously need an answer to that before I can formulate long-term plans!!!!!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

that works
however I'd reeeeeeaaaaally like Noraa to clarify what she meant by mastina being pgo

[Gamma Emerald]

you should really just post whatever you can think of
your lack of content is probably driving people to just be done with you and want you eliminated

[Gamma Emerald]

it feels like we're basically screwed now

[Gamma Emerald]

that works
however I'd reeeeeeaaaaally like Noraa to clarify what she meant by mastina being pgo

well she really strongly emphasizes that she doesn't want town investigatives on her...

Yeah I don’t think that’s enough to indicate PGO in this case

[Gamma Emerald]

I think if we try to argue tictac is scum rn it mucks up the optics for our fakeclaim down the line

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah probably just go with the fakeclaim you were given

[Gamma Emerald]

Mystics I think you should leave the raid if you’re in it

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, the town is assuming strongman is x-shot. We know it isn’t, but they’re set to eliminate you on faulty logic that we can’t contest effectively. Literally the only way we can regain our footing is you sticking it in town’s face that you’re “not the strongman”.

[Gamma Emerald]

Er, maybe not quite that
But, throw a fit, make it really hard to rationalize yeeting you over someone like RealCheeks who’s played opportunistic the whole game

[Gamma Emerald]

what

[Gamma Emerald]

We should probably strongman kill Romance tonight, just to be safe.

This is my plan as well
ngl, you’re kinda coming into your own with these mechanics Nancy

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s actually a neat play

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think over the next three nights we have to axe Toog/Romance/Sakura. Once that’s done I think the night play aspect will be about through.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really feel like the doctor claim was a Kokichi move

[Gamma Emerald]

So my concern is that Sakura can doc Toog if she gets strongwilled tomorrow and our roleblock is useless on him.

If we kill Sakura, then we can stay on raid and we don’t even need strongman anymore right?

Yup, exactly

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk???

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see anything happening that will take any of Dwlee/Arc/StD/RC off the table. The problem is, we need one more miselim to win. The hope is that once Romance + Sakura are dead, we can misyeet tictac. They’re the main ones stonewalling that I think.

[Gamma Emerald]

I assume the next Ifrit raid will be the next strongwill raid, and in that case we basically need to kill Sakura now and Romance tomorrow

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisaie. TWO I’S.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh no. I think Bell is the vig. He’s been after you this whole time, he’s probably been trying to shoot you as well and you’re out of BP shot if that’s the case!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d say we need an excuse to be off the raid but we weren’t on the first raid so it wouldn’t make sense for us to be Strongman if they stick to the X-Shot theory
I’m saying this because I think we need to roleblock Bell tonight, meaning we’re gonna kill to strongman kill Romance to dodge another result coming out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhh what do you need?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I feel like that’s solid actually
Be like “how could you shoot us?” I think

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d say wait for reply but I think it’s more on-brand for you to get impatient

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m going through with playing like Bell is a vig anyway because it just makes too much damn sense. And that means we basically park roleblocker on him until we finally are able to kill him. Do not push him to out because I think he’s liable to call for your head in that case.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d say we need an excuse to be off the raid but we weren’t on the first raid so it wouldn’t make sense for us to be Strongman if they stick to the X-Shot theory
I’m saying this because I think we need to roleblock Bell tonight, meaning we’re gonna kill to strongman kill Romance to dodge another result coming out.

No we don’t need to kill Bell. We need to kill Sakura because next raid is probably strongwilled and we will lose if we don’t.

We rb’d him D1 and nothing since then. He’s a freaking vt. Also, it’s seriously a bad idea to NK anyone on the raid who’s not a hardclaimed pr.

We will lose if we don’t rb Romance and NK Sakura.

Bell has wanted Bears’ head since like D3. Roleblock+BP shot+BP shot means we’ve gotten LUCKY that Bears hasn’t died yet, but our luck’s run out. We need to kill Romance NOW because we need to start parking the roleblocker on BELL.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MOD: what happens if a strongarm strongwill vig targets a bulletproof? What about the same scenario, but the vig is targeted by a roleblocker?

Tbh I’m thinking we might just be SoL come Night 5

[Gamma Emerald]

welp, we need wheme alive to sack him on the next strongwilled raid then

for the love of god wheme please actually play

[Gamma Emerald]

actually wait if he does that he just gets limmed, SHIT

[Gamma Emerald]

this is infuriating

[Gamma Emerald]

Livia sas Junius

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Livia sas Junius (

Garlean Invader 1-shot Bulletproof Strongman

)

Ability:

• Magitek Armor:
  Sturdy Garlean Magitek Armor will prevent you from killed once. A strong cannon blast can also kill a player while bypassing protection attempt or roleblock attempt on you.
  
• Garlean Linkshell:
  PT be here

Win Condition:

• All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.

Mystic Bears IS bulletproof for real.

[Gamma Emerald]

let's fight until the end at least.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Bell is full vig maybe
He was on the first strongwill raid

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Bell is full vig maybe
He was on the first strongwill raid

then why didn't anyone die that night

You had 2 shots of BP.
Roleblock n1 + hit vest n2 + n3 = all shots failed so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway, we need to figure out how to actually get through these next two nights basically unscathed.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I’m right about Bell and we don’t account for that, MYSTIC BEARS DIES. Killing Romance through doctor protection whilst also blocking Bell will likely debunk the idea that Bears is a 1-shot strongman. From there, Bears can plead for their life.
So many times I’ve had a read on a situation as scum and been ignored. For god’s sake, let me make the call for once in my mafia career!

[Gamma Emerald]

Bears is probably out of BP at this point (which we won't get to know for sure unless they die at night). We need to give them another day phase to change Bell's mind. That means roleblocking Bell is pretty much required. It won't matter that Bell is strongarm if he isn't shooting one of us.

[Gamma Emerald]

Most mods won't specify that -_-

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think we can do that...?

[Gamma Emerald]

@MOD: what happens if no role is chosen the be sacrificed when the roleblocker dies?

[Gamma Emerald]

clear selection of who Wheme passes his role to

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s up?
I’ve kinda just been hanging back because I feel like I have the “best” plan nailed down but nothing is good enough to ensure success atm

[Gamma Emerald]

You could join under pretense of keeping scum out?

[Gamma Emerald]

She was on the raid though, she got her shot back, and if bell is full vig we had to make that block

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not having fun anymore. I will fucking lose it on House, if he keeps this up. Like it’s actually more upsetting than tictac because it feels more like bullying.

I’m not seeing him get too into it rn but I’ll McFreaking lose it if he does

[Gamma Emerald]

Night 1: we RBed Bell
Night 2: he could have shot Bears
Night 3: he could have shot Bears
Night 4: we RBed Bell

Bears had 2 shots of BP from 1 to start and 1 from the D1 raid. The math checks out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just posted how it’s possible. He was tunneling you pretty badly, that could be him trying to yeet the supposed scum he keeps failing to kill

[Gamma Emerald]

He maybe shot elsewhere n1 but that’s basically it for potential deviation
And he knows he hasn’t been getting RBed (at least by scum) every night because Romance was RBed n2

[Gamma Emerald]

I have been saying that for several game days but he evidently doesn’t fucking care!

[Gamma Emerald]

But what happens after neither of StD/Wheme flip rb?

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s true

[Gamma Emerald]

Is StD currently in it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a wild idea
if we eliminate wheme and he doesn't flip RB, eyes will immediately turn to StD. I think that'll be enough to distract bell from shooting Bears for a phase. What if we just let him do his thing?

[Gamma Emerald]

that's answer to one question I asked a while ago

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog already left so I doubt Bell leaves

[Gamma Emerald]

Subject: Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Day 5)

If he doesn't flip RB, there probably won't be a hood for mastina & Toog.

- House

So, how do we block this or can we?

Mandel is a neighbourizer so he’s a threat.

Good thing we didn’t switch.

I don’t think we can
No matter, we’ve done what was needed

[Gamma Emerald]

Qrow and Raven roleblock Bell
Mystic Bears strongman kills Bell

Are we good with these?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh it would probably be a good idea to let Bears talk Bell down
I think we want to kill Sakura over Toog because we have to quash the PoE fervor a bit imo

Also, I feel like if we want to get CRAZY with things, Wheme never flavor claimed, so we can snatch his safe claim, which would probably provide much better optics given that we’ve been sideswiping tictac who I think has a similar flavor tier to our initial safe claim of Raubahn but Wedge is mostly connected to Biggs, who was claimed by TC, who we (well, I) was pretty okay TRing around the time the flavor claim came out. That wouldn’t really let us claim anything other than VT though, but I think that won’t be much of an issue given we’ve basically negated any effectiveness the vig had if it’s Bell

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think Mandel could end up closing gaps we need to fly through to win if we don’t take care of him. If you wanna kill him tonight, I’m down.
PEdit: the town will be distracted by StD being the only person left in the rb PoE meaning they won’t elim Bears.

[Gamma Emerald]

People will figure out that Bell died because he threatened Bears. I don’t think that’s a great idea.

I think this is right
I'm for a Sakura or maybe a Mandel kill

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’m willing to ask for a hood. Would be a fun chance to avenge myself for Tarot UPick.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ooooh we actually should DEFINITELY be on the next raid
If it succeeds and we’re on it, our roleblock gets a rolecop added to it. We then block Bell again, and finally get an answer as to his role.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the good news is people are getting confused about what to do it seems, killing Sakura had the desired effect of decentralizing the town’s game plan formation. The bad news is Bears are now being sussed
I feel like one of us should bring up the fact the PoE has not been resolved?

[Gamma Emerald]

why did you add the PGO part??????????

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, prepare to get speedlimmed because that was exceedingly bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Why why WHY would a BP need PGO? WHHYYYYYYYYYYY

[Gamma Emerald]

You literally just needed to claim bulletproof. THAT’S ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO!!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

It sure LOOKED like you did!

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh thank GOD the Dark Fairy game is coming in clutch

[Gamma Emerald]

She claimed what she was supposed to, I just thought she went overboard with it when she apparently didn’t

[Gamma Emerald]

Noraa needs to fight like hell to avoid the lim, Bell’s comment about elimming her now vs. later reeks of wanting to wash his hands of the ordeal of having wasted several actions against her

[Gamma Emerald]

That only applies to x-shot roles, not other raid effects

[Gamma Emerald]

That only applies to x-shot roles, not other raid effects

Oh, well we can’t kill Bell tonight unless he’s off raid.

If MB dies, sure
Otherwise we can just strongman him (but I think strong manning Mandel is probably better unless we can get in a hood with them tonight)

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh. My. God.

[Gamma Emerald]

If we can make it out of this day phase with both of our slots alive, I think we should kill mastina tonight. I don’t want to have to deal with assured success BP raids fucking up our ability to close out the win.

[Gamma Emerald]

no, mastina didn't get a chance to submit before wheme self-hammered, that's the entire reason we had wheme self-hammer remember?

[Gamma Emerald]

we can't roleblock and kill unless two raids fail in a row or a raid fails after our role gets fully empowered (which can only happen N9 at the earliest)

[Gamma Emerald]

that of course assumes bears gets limmed (which they probably will soooo)

[Gamma Emerald]

that sounds good
we don't really have room to push TC rn so I'll go along with that

[Gamma Emerald]

aw fuck its just us ain't it...

nuts.

Don’t give up yet. If your slot can think of something to do that’s super townie, do eeit. There’s still hope. StD could be limmed instead of you.

Why not say you can prove you’re town tonight?

It doesn’t matter if you don’t because maybe it keeps you alive one more night, so we can kill Bell.

wild idea, what if we suggest a hydra interrogation block, of our two slots and mandelbrot?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well there was a moment of expressed doubt during D5 on my end but that should hopefully be minor

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah, those people
and the idea is we all talk shop with the idea that if Bears is scum, they'd clam up or something

[Gamma Emerald]

Well there was a moment of expressed doubt during D5 on my end but that should hopefully be minor

Well you did recently, so you just say you hadn’t fully researched it att if anyone asks. If they don’t, so much the better.

no I definitely would have figured out those two as a pair, every source I've seen lists those two together
the defense I have in mind is that I had a sharp paranoia that outweighed the flavor bit for that period of time. Then I reminded myself it's Kokichi Oma and he literally does anti-town shit for the hell of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

+1 good idea. How do we convince Mandel?

I think Bears should probably broach the subject over us. What's your read rate on Noraa, Nancy? I'll admit my own hasn't been the best, so if yours isn't great then we need to base it on reading Flea over Noraa

[Gamma Emerald]

because I want to pocket Mandel in the hood

[Gamma Emerald]

we basically need to make sure mystic bears lives otherwise we're gonna be forced to kill outside the raid pool which is uhhhh not great?
So yeah, mystics, ASAP, make the suggestion that house and someone else sort you in a hood tonight. Give bell and us as suggestions for who else to involve in it.

[Gamma Emerald]

That only applies to the roleblock, not the factional kill

[Gamma Emerald]

No, we get those if WE are on a SUCCESSFUL raid

[Gamma Emerald]

We cannot delay usage of our BP from the raid

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah if Bears gets elimmed killing cheeks is an acceptable option

[Gamma Emerald]

Wish we had the ability to straight up assign our roles like in townstumps rather than the garbage we got here

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s been going on with StD’s kills if he’s the vig, lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Thrn the BG was meant as a false result for Titus
This game has gone very sideways

[Gamma Emerald]

Bodyguard
The entire point to that role seems to have been to just give a false clear from Titus’ role if there’s no active killing role

[Gamma Emerald]

But I forgot it people find it hard to elim me in later days and my vig shot on Romance was blocked by Sakura but I don't hold grudges ^.^
~C

Dafuq? Didn’t we rolecop them as vt? Wtf is going on here?

She’s fakeclaiming

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

not unless 2 non-limmable slots are outside of it
we're already major-struggling to have a path to victory as it is, clearing tictac is the worst possible thing we could do

[Gamma Emerald]

starting tomorrow we can fail raids without shrinking PoE, there'll be 9 alive pre-lim, meaning 8 alive after, so everyone will be on by default

[Gamma Emerald]

It was a joke claim, she claimed jester joat

[Gamma Emerald]

We kill Cheeks, they’re basically never getting elimmed after Bears

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah no
here's a wild concept: what if we don't fail the D9 raid? We're clearly still engaged despite the team being whittled down to 1, so I think that'll fuck with ability to lim us. One NK being stopped won't fuck with our victory plans I think.
We can also probably bring both mandel and mastina along into endgame in that case

[Gamma Emerald]

D8 is the strongwilled but letting that pass as well is fine, the only PR that could use it that seems to be alive atp is mandel

[Gamma Emerald]

Tictac is already in the PoE of (StD, Dwlee, tictac)
So we can’t have tictac in ELo unless we manage to cheese out a different mislim (or if StD really is beloved princess and we get an extra NK, in which case mastina has to die because the BP raid would give town a mislim back that they’d lose from 2 nights in a row

[Gamma Emerald]

Do we want to fail the raid or not
We could let it succeed and if StD flips as claimed we kill mastina for one of the nights

[Gamma Emerald]

wat
we can't kill and rb same time at all if we don't have multitasking

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s inquiring as to the truthfulness of someone else’s claim, we’re not getting an answer
Not like it even matters since we’re all alone now

[Gamma Emerald]

fail raid

Now we’re good to hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

wait what

[Gamma Emerald]

That might make the hammer not a good move after all, could fall back on us

[Gamma Emerald]

Depends on the flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

We know what T3 was. He was Informed Townie, not vig

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway I have to watch a movie, so no talk for a few hours

[Gamma Emerald]

What??? Why him?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m good
Pretty sure my guesses on Mirio were all wrong anyway