open 841: just mafia here officer (compleated game)

[catboi]

ahahahahhahahhahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

[catboi]

Haven't randed scum in a few months, hopefully not too much rust for me but no promises~


Kind of a tough playerlist to play scum in? Too many people who are polarized enough that getting misyeets might be hard


anyway the plan is I go for 1-shot vig and pooky gets night 3 vig and I hold my shot until we can kill each other

[catboi]

I wanted to pick the number 1 as a #YOLO pick and because recent drafts have been conservative but I feel like potentially hitting the top of the draft is just not great for longevity given the inevitable "why are you alive" questions

[catboi]

I mean I'd probably pick bulletproof as town! Not

optimal

but enjoyable for me (until I'd wind up in endgame and regret all my life decisions).

I will probably just choose a high-ish number instead. Like 20.

[catboi]

im not telling you guys shit cuz i know peta is going to vig me

Also I know this account is outed now but if you mention it in-thread, datisi and midwaybear will be more paranoid of me

[catboi]

oh wait they really dont know? lol ok

Not everyone reads 300 page large theme games to see if anyone alt slipped

[catboi]

so how r we feeling about this plist

what a fucking gauntlet of death huh

Yeah it's like

Datisi and skitter are going to be obvtown, prob gotta NK them. i assume nsg if she gets going will be treated similarly (havn't played with but am generally aware of her)

iv and cakez and midwaybear are all people who will probably get townread aerly but are yeetable if they lose motivation

andante is from EM and only started playing forum games last year, very spammy and excitable, can get herself into trouble with impatience but also often obvtown. tends to OMGUS very hard

flow trap I replaced in a newbie game but don't know much about? tends to be spammy and low content I think but haven't really read his posts much in a game, potentially yeetable

don't know sleepless assassin/mare/faker

[catboi]

also mechgod ss what modifier should we get

The only truly confirmable roles absent multitasking are neighborizer and the vigs, right? I guess there are cases where the watcher/voyeur can confirm actions but are less likely.

I dunno, I feel like informed is just better here, multitasking can spare you a mechanical loss but if most of the team goes down early I feel like you should assume a loss anyway. Dunno.

[catboi]

I feel like "multitasking" points to "team has someone they think can go deep", lol. But then I see last game's team put almost no thought into it at all.

[catboi]

Fair.

I pick 21

bolded to make it official-like

[catboi]

[catboi]

That's...not great

[catboi]

In some sense it can be useful confirming a role was picked, but I'll probably go for neighborizer

[catboi]

I pick neighborizer

might as well make it official

[catboi]

lol we are screwed

[catboi]

Nyo

[catboi]

who the hell in that top 7 actually picks neighborizer/voyeur

[catboi]

Pretty sure he's not in this game

picking it in the top 3 is just outright throwing, so...ydrasse or IV? Can't imagine Cakez goes for it. But...mrrr.

[catboi]

what does a voyeur even do

literally just tells you what roles visited someone, I can't imagine anyone would take that for protown purposes although some people are weird, I guess

im kinda surprised i got my one shot vig thing

isnt that supposed to be a good ability lol

Yeah it is people just avoid picking it for some reason

[catboi]

This game is a spammy shitfest jesus

[catboi]

your best friend is here too

I was aware but sworn to secrecy

[catboi]

This does mean I have been treating my friend as more important than my scumbuddies, you may punish me accordingly

[catboi]

I was going to say this game is a spammy shitfest

[catboi]

But as scum I am pro-spam! so

you just need to survive today so i can vig you

I have basically no fear of getting yeeted day 1

[catboi]

Basically if the pace gets too fast for certain people they lose interest because it's hard to keep up and become easy misyeets

of course that's a problem if your teammate is the one falling behind but welp

[catboi]

where do you want to land this conversation lol

I have no clue I'm playing it by ear

Realistically don't think I would be townreading you unless this was an uber-tryhard game from you but think I'm okay with a cautious approach

[catboi]

In this list getting in a stupid day 1 shitfight might be one of the only decent ways to have a shot to win but it also has a fair chance of backfiring

[catboi]

I'm unlikely to tryhard

I guess we'll just have to count on our boy Something Scum to go deep

lol yeah that's fair I'm not putting any expectations on you just talking about how I'd be reading you

[catboi]

feel like proposing we dance was the perfect conclusion to have a "would they actually do that as scum" look

mb I could shitpush our best friend Faker for the lulz

i haven't gotten to do that in a while

Super easy to tilt, if you want to go for it go for it

[catboi]

im laughing this is so dumb

[catboi]

Day 1 as scum is always so exhausting, not even 24 hours in and I feel like I've run a marathon

nsg has me above null though so I can simply die happy

[catboi]

Just have to visualize how much more miserable I'd be as town

[catboi]

i dunno you sound like you are having fun when you're town

Not often.

[catboi]

daww ʚ♡⃛ɞ(ू•ᴗ•ू❁)

[catboi]

difference is as town I'm just whatever so I can be laid back but inevitably get frustrated from disagreements and/or being really wrong all the time

as scum I still have pride so I feel the PRESSURE

[catboi]

The satisfaction of having played a good game is what's fun for me

[catboi]

I get depressed when I don't win as mafia

[catboi]

really?

im just happy I don't have to pretend to be good anymore lololol

I mean I'm exaggerating but I was legit in a funk after that mini normal/fgo although there was, uh, obviously other circumstances there. but part of the territory of believing myself to be Good At This is always wanting to do well when I get the red role PM

[catboi]

you totally should've shot lilith in fgo2 instead of being fancy I was so pocketed :<

There was a lot of stuff I should have done that game but I was too tilted to act rationally.

I was, like, deadset convinced you were just laying a trap for me tho so it seemed like a nowin situation

I often read way too much into what people are doing

[catboi]

feels like its getting a bit tricky

[catboi]

you need to survive solely so you can vig cakez because that would be extremely funny

[catboi]

w-we're ghidorah, right

[catboi]

this is the type of game where I feel hard pressed to actually push anyone without risking blowback aggression

[catboi]

it'd be like lightning striking twice in the same spot

more like trying to rob the same bank twice using the same disguise

I dunno, the audacity would be funny but there's some people who would call BS no matter what

but as a hail mary play it's probably fine, we don't have a ton of options


there are still viable misyeets right now the concern is, for instance, someone like flow trap getting de facto cleared by you dying when he's the easiest misyeet in the game

[catboi]

I'm not sure you need

my

help with anything (ᗒᗜᗕ)՛̵̖

[catboi]

watched Hana-Bi by Takeshi Kitano tonight

good movie but very sad

here's a song from the soundtrack

[catboi]

I've always wanted to be coached by my idol <3

I feel like you don't need me to teach you anything tho, you're best off being yourself

We could potentially do a little theater where I start to suggest you might be scum and you get grouchy and snap at me. But that's only if you're up for it

I just watched Fireworks

lmao no way really??

[catboi]

Also the song is nice ty <3

[catboi]

oh that's the title of an anime duh (I was confused b/c Hana-Bi was titled Fireworks for its US release)

[catboi]

Look, the Takeshi Kitano movie is romantic...in a sense...

[catboi]

apathy in the game thread is fake and mainly to stall for time but I don't really have a good game plan for where I want to go from here

We probably need some sense of strategy for what we're doing?

[catboi]

I'm actually incredibly apathetic and have no idea how to proceed from here

I care but it's dicey in the sense of things seem to be heading toward the obvious/boring votes on midway/flow trap and i have no idea how much i want to rock the boat or just suppress my white knighting instincts and...let it happen

You just burned out or what?

[catboi]

Also no idea how I want to position on you two, halfway want to yolo it and just hard powerwolf this game for fun but not sure it's the best list to do that in

[catboi]

probably

maybe I'll scumcase Faker for fun

lol i was considering that but wasn't sure it was worth the potential blowback

[catboi]

if you want to just go kamikaze hardshove and probably get booted early that's fine, driving an elimination is the important part

[catboi]

does pushing a scum vig out b4 they can shoot give you a lot of towncred? I think so

proooobably but concern is the town power that gets left over as a result

[catboi]

(also powerwolfing is hard defending your teammates at all costs aka not what I usually do)

[catboi]

(also powerwolfing is hard defending your teammates at all costs aka not what I usually do)

ok I guess we could do that if you would like.

eh it was the question of 'would that go against expectations' if i did it subtly enough but the people who'd be wary of me bussing in this game are actually a minority - probably not the game to try it in

might just be the best move to go after you

[catboi]

took a look at the PR list for the setup again and threw up in my mouth

[catboi]

took a look at the PR list for the setup again and threw up in my mouth

eh actually forgot universal backup would just copy the vig if you die so that's acceptable

but you have, like, ascetic cop + jk/tracker that are problems, and roleblocker if someone too it over doctor


I don't know, shit's hard

[catboi]

took a look at the PR list for the setup again and threw up in my mouth

lol sorry

not your fault lol, biggest problems are carried over from the original, we just got really brutally unlucky with the draft in basically every regard

[catboi]

actually it would be really funny if you pushed cakez

[catboi]

don't think the list is implausible fwiw

[catboi]

i was sort of lurking and it seems like it's all over the place

[catboi]

also sorry for being a potato this game, wound up overgaming myself and I'm struggling for inspiration

[catboi]

lol what the hell is going on in this game

[catboi]

lol I was considering tapping out because I am just disappointingly not up to the challenge and am not feeling mafia in general right now but I guess I should just stick it out for the long haul now because that'd be pretty lame to also call it quits

sorry pooky, wish we'd had better chemistry. hope all is well

[catboi]

If I make it to day 2 I can try to turn on the jets

[catboi]

I do wake up ore when I get punched in the face

[catboi]

my intention once again was not really explicitly to mirror faker, at least not consciously, but playing into the me/cakez dynamic in a way I thought made sense given history between us

(other game intention was also to push back and dismiss the heat against me, never to drive an elimination)

maybe i'm just a copycat at heart tho~

[catboi]

I feel extreme sadness reading prism making that spec on the replacement

[catboi]

LMAO OH GOD

[catboi]

I’m absolutely not reading 99 pages so catch me up here before I yolo into main thread

I’m not meant to be the deepwolf right? Right?

not really but you're our only PR because we royally porked the draft so if you could not get yourself yeeted today that would be nice

[catboi]

also skitter was already scumreading your slot soooooooooo

[catboi]

basically every one of us was outer-ish POE, pooky and I had no spark, but town was settling on the more predictably easy wagons

[catboi]

What if we just quickhammer top wagon

no one is in range and quickhammering is likely to get you jked or blocked if those roles exist, would not advise

[catboi]

Eh just don't psych yourself out about skitter, remember that even if you can't fake the vibes she's just one voice among many and not especially likely to hijack the game

[catboi]

comedy option is you use the fresh slate to vig one of us as a hail mary

not nearly as bad optics as pooky doing it

[catboi]

YOU’RE PETA CATBOI WHAT THE FUCKIKG SHIT

>________________________________________>

[catboi]

lmao

[catboi]

I altslipped in a large theme with skitter and pooky it was humiliating almost as humiliating as taking the game to lylo and mishammering after talking myself out of my initial correct read like I always do

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WHCH ONE IS THE ALT

THE CATBOI ACCOUMT IS 8 YEARS OLD WHAT

I had 3 accounts before peta, which is a joke account I used to troll banned user crypto in a game (petapan was a username he used on epicmafia)

None of the others are currently active.

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worth noting that although it is technically public, as stated it happened in the middle of a huge large theme, not everyone knows, so do not show your ass by revealing that you have that knowledge


also Datisi iv and midway do not know yet and will never trust me if they find out so lol

[catboi]

I’m just still so shoooooook I’m sorry I never would have guessed in like a million years

You seem so much more aggro on peta?

intention was to adopt a different playstyle because the aggro as peta was rewarding in the short term but draining and self-destructive in the long term (also because lmao secret anime alt)

the aggro went...very badly for me in that aforementioned theme game so am trying to shelve it permanently

[catboi]

Which one did you mishammer ooi? It was pooky, wasn’t it

no it was gammagooey because I tilted at him for blowing off my correct case on scum and then second-guessed onto him as a consequence

skitter killed pooky that game before he even got a chance to play

[catboi]

mishammered or otherwise botched ELO something like 10 times since coming back in 2020 (including again this week), generally had awful reads, almost certainly in need of a vacation after this game

thought about quitting this game because I was experiencing a general malaise but pooky beat me to it so I'm just going to ride it out

[catboi]

Would feel truly grotty if pooky's slot endgames after prism and skitter reversed reads on it from the replacement. Don't think he meant to do anything unethical by it. Hope that ends up resolved in some way.

I hope he didn't feel pressured by my presence in the game, that'd really suck, especially as I was having a fairly weak game myself.

[catboi]

Mmmm don't want to necessarily rule anything out on day 1 but any potential path to victory is *very* narrow right now. available votes are like, sleepless, flow, midway, and then...idk, mare, cakez? but cakez harder if menalque dies before then

[catboi]

you replaced into a game with 100 pages in 8 days, what were you expecting

i was hoping (am hoping?) that once D1 is over and we have flips that the hyperposting will drop off

it's a spammy AF playerlist, not sure it's likely to calm down lol

Okay I gotta run

I think just keeping a low profile maybe works here? Like I legit don’t have so much time to play but maybe that’s gonna work in our favour instead of being a big black meta-based mark against me

you probably have a ticket out of day 1 regardless unless you scumclaim inthread, and the important thing is you getting your shot off

[catboi]

wonder how many red flags I have to raise before prism decides to murder me

not that he'll get the chance to this game


I'm sure one day he'll start punishing me for it

[catboi]

ok cat how do you approach games as scum/why is this diff

why do i feel like youv'e been spending a lot of this game in the scum PT

jokes on you there's nothing going on in here

[catboi]

can't even tell if i think sleepless or flow is the better flip

sleepless is savvy and getting rid of him now would be good but a flow replacement could shake the game up + s_s dying would clear the slot

bleh

[catboi]

Why does cakez have a murderboner for me

Is it cause of pooky or what?

yes it's because pooky snowed him very hard in the pokemon large theme and pooky was, uh, not very town here

[catboi]

personal preference is just for murdering skitter and faker

[catboi]

I can't have you both leaving her alive and cowering in fear at the prospect of posting in the same thread as her

[catboi]

Her not being super townread is the argument for killing her sooner rather than later. I think in spite of that it'd be a pain in the ass to misyeet her and I don't feel like challenging myself this game

I think she's both likely to recalibrate after the sleepless flip and unlikely to continue giving me grace

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innocentvillager is a sneaky thorn in the side because he's a very reasonable player and will often question people's bad assumptions but is also tunneled on midwaybear right now, which is useful

[catboi]

nsg is sharp by repuation but no idea how rusty she is these days, isn't widely townread even though she's practically close to meta clear, think most in the game aren't aware? shielding flow but scumreading midwaybaer

Datisi's always a good nightkill but he dies all the time and is very unlikely to be a PR here, if his activity falls off he is potentially yeetable IMO


andante is universally townread but very off the mark right now, was top of the draft so could easily get doc proteection? but was doing some screwy PR WIFOM, might be cop, who knows. Still very much a gamble IMO


shooting midwaybear/mare/flow trap would be outright gamethrows, cakez kill would be stupid as he's less credible while alive and unflipped

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Shooting Mare does have the upside that we prevent the UB, which almost certainly exists, from getting a good role.

Right, forgot the damned UB exists

Do we know what actually happens if two PRs die night 1?

Okay it's randomized, I checked the role PMs. Which is kind of unfortunate.

Mare is passable as a vig shot (under, like, really terrible logic) but not sure how far menalque is going anyway

[catboi]

129 goddamn pages on day 1...that's more than double the length of the entirety of the original PYP X/Y. Ah, for simpler times

[catboi]

Oh right skitter's second in the draft that does make her decently likely to be doc'd

[catboi]

something_smart kills Faker

preliminary

generally terrible at deciding night actions so not sure which of us is the best to carry but this is what I feel right now

[catboi]

That

is a difficult replacement

[catboi]

There's a decent chance that flip is very revealing to town but it can't really be helped, if you want to use your vig on that, go for it. Don't think she'll be nearly as easy to get votes on.

[catboi]

The replacement kill is like a hilarious laser back to me though since I did that exact thing in mini normal 2180 with iv and cakez (and midwaybear on my scumteam)

just sucks because of gamestate + draft reasons

[catboi]

mrrr can't help but feel in my heart vigging that slot might be a throw

[catboi]

I simply feel like it's a kill that outright only comes from scum (no one vigs a replacement) and also is...fairly limited in who it'd come from. I think I'd rather just weather the consequences and shoot elsewhere.

[catboi]

15 hours left...any thoughts?

[catboi]

Can I shoot cakez or is that a throw?

my personal opinion is that he's less threatening while alive

What did ydra claim for role btw?

neighborizer

[catboi]

thoughts go to iv/nsg as potential kills

andante is universal townread + guaranteed pr although not sure if she's likely to draw protection


also the alt is more outed now so going to be facing more scrutiny most likely

[catboi]

knowing my luck cakez is going to be some important pr

[catboi]

menalque vig shoots innocentvillager

I think it's a reasonable shot based on dayplay and likely enough to be a PR

[catboi]

random bullshitty dayplay thought is that since my identity is inevitably going to come up menalque can tunnel me when he "find out" b/c there's enough history there and it gives me something to argue against

[catboi]

well

good PR kills anyway

[catboi]

i totally thought the fifth spot was the UB spot...hahaha...

[catboi]

i would be somewhat surprised if skitter actually went for ascetic cop but anything is possible and I am obviously a good cop target

[catboi]

I am doing the preemptive cautious distancing in the event of it being a mechanical guilty though

[catboi]

random thought but I feel like nsg might be the type of player who'd take draft cop

[catboi]

also feels like it's not a mech guilty so...haha

[catboi]

I am doing the preemptive cautious distancing in the event of it being a mechanical guilty though

should I push back against you hard(ish) then?

That is entirely your call on what you feel is best

[catboi]

otoh pushign cakez while he's pushing me is, uh, awkward

[catboi]

yeh ok just saying positionally it is the kind of thing that can end up biting us

[catboi]

still struggling for motivation

game is weirdly slow

[catboi]

I don't know but I like the gutsiness of it

[catboi]

I'm not actually sure there is a cop at all.

Unfortunately none of us are really in a position to be claiming it

[catboi]

Also skitter needs to stop doing this wagonomics theorizing stuff, it's always disconnected from what goes on in the actual game. Case in point: we were doing sweet fuck all.

[catboi]

I feel...a little more spirited. Possibly because the town is so apathetic.

[catboi]

No problem, I get it, tough trying to balance things with an active work schedule

fwiw I feel as though if there's an opportunity to quickhammer you should just take it

[catboi]

and yeah, this is the first time I think I've ever tried to play with an actual proper job and it's, uh, harder than I thought

Was partly the reason I retired for 5 years!

did anything important happen in the last 20 pages or can I just shitpost along to my heart's content?

I barely even remember, there was a lot of idling, skitter getting into an argument with mare, s_s crazypushing andante, and skitter getting paranoid about her reads and the inactivity, I don't remember much else

can you just put her to e-1 or does that mean you die for sure after I die?

I am already voting her

[catboi]

it's pretty likely she just gets replaced at this rate, idk what happens after that

I would aim for subtlety, though, agreed

[catboi]

I pivoted because andante was making gestures in your direction and figured better to be ahead of the curve but I don't think you're necessarily a dead man walking or anything

[catboi]

Eh, hm. Time's running short.

at this point in time it might be better to just roleclaim

either claim ascetic cop and say you were hoping to coast to get more reports

or just claim doctor and draw out the counter claim

[catboi]

I'm not really terribly concerned about it being believed or not - I think there's essentially no chance menalque endgames at the rate things are going (no offense, I just think there's too many people who suspect him), and the importance is mainly drawing out a role that'll be a problem. If there really is no cop in the setup it might buy a day which is nice but ultimately kind of gravy

[catboi]

btw do you actually know who kaiji is catboi, or are you guessing?

it's quite obviously koba

[catboi]

I should still probably quick hammer if possible right?

or are we confident enough that midway goes down either way that I should try to hold off (quick)hammering to not draw extra attention to myself

important lesson of scumming is not to prioritize your own survival too much and take the hammer when it's available

which i'm sure something_smart would agree with

[catboi]

knew he was doc

good call on not shooting skitter anyway

[catboi]

Don't mean to pour salt on the wound but think it's an instructive example. Rereading some of my older games there were times when I was too hammer averse and it made life for me a lot more difficult than necessary

[catboi]

hammer's there if you're around

[catboi]

oh wait mena's already voting nvm

going to snatch it in an hour or two

[catboi]

I'm here but I'm pretty sure it would be an actual scumclaim lol

yeah, for you it's a bad move. I can ride it out and vote him

Btw I really want to leave both midway and Andante alive for multiple days, the mindscrew would be incredible. But I'm fine if you want to overrule that.

The difficulty is that if they cross confirm each other I'm not sure how likely it is people bite on the paranoia but we'll see

[catboi]

mmm I suppose but I don't know how likely people are to paranoia her at all

I think it depends somewhat on what cakez flips but we can talk about paths to victory after the day ends

[catboi]

I feel dumb for not checking the draft slots but also how did cakez not pick up on that at day start

[catboi]

I don't think skitter is the cop at all based on play (and I don't think she'd pick it if she anticipated being a potential NK target)

dats did take cop in open 794 albeit with higher draft position. I also somewhat doubt he's cop, but it's an acceptable kill as a safety bet + is generally townread

[catboi]

At the same time if people actually deduce a kill is a cop hunt it points away from scum being in the top slots

[catboi]

my late night musing to myself is it's better to have andante around for another day to push a misflip after menalque likely dies

[catboi]

sorry to hear that, hope things get better for you soon

[catboi]

As for the game...eh. people are trying to narrow down potential vig slots, as said this potentially ends up as a me vs you situation which is not great. There's still the hail mary cop claim on the table as a gambit - either to try to get an elim or claim it on me and lose so I possibly get cleared for it

I'm not actually sure we have a

great

path to victory, looking at it

[catboi]

I thought about it overnight and didn't come to a resolution

[catboi]

I think skitter is an outright losing shot. I think midway being alive would cause confusion but given mechanics and the fact that people will be vig hunting, I can't really justify it.

menalque kills midwaybear

[catboi]

sort of wish I'd gone for him more aggressively yesterday (error aside) but think I was concerned with playing it safe. ah well

[catboi]

If anyone claims cop we need to counterclaim them I think.

Actually maybe Mena should just open the day with a cop guilty? That could work.

That was the thought but also logically I'm the best check from his pov which is kind of a problem

[catboi]

Could go absolutely balls to the wall and have him claim it on you, then

That was actually what I was contemplating! Obviously risky, but I think we need some form of risk to be able to win

[catboi]

I guess my thing with leaving midway alive is that there's not enough people who are going to be skeptical of andante, so I don't see the point

[catboi]

I don't think skitter or alyssa ever reverse course there so it feels very meh to me

[catboi]

Dammit, looks like I was right about Dats kill being better.

whoops

[catboi]

I had considered that, actually, but also thought midway missing instructions was more likely. But still felt the potential downside was too strong

[catboi]

skitter miiiiight have taken BP given her being weird about the claim?

[catboi]

also we are getting clowned for that midwaybear kill

sorry!

[catboi]

skitter miiiiight have taken BP given her being weird about the claim?

guess not

it might actually be the place for the desperation guilty gambit, if mena ever comes back

if he does it it needs to happen when i'm online

[catboi]

I think we go balls to the wall and have Mena's replacement claim a guilty on catboi.

to whoever replaces in: just immediately claim cop with a night 1 innocent on skitter and a night 2 guilty on me

[catboi]

i dunno lol

[catboi]

menalque claimed ascetic cop with a n1 innocent on skitter and a n2 guilty on me

[catboi]

Damn datisi close.

I am bad playing?

nah you're not actually cop so it doesn't confirm anything

[catboi]

hope that sticking with the claim wasn't in and of itself a mistake but we'll see i guess

[catboi]

I kinda think we get boxed in anyway

[catboi]

you're not going to get a majority on me so it's whatever

[catboi]

uh yeah obviously

[catboi]

If we execute catboi today Enchant has to claim me inno then?

probably that yeah

i kind of assume he just gets outed as being vig in all likelihood unless they go full stupid and vote datisi

[catboi]

I can act as town, it often gets me killed. Idk...


If we execute Catboi, i WILL be outed.
There's kinda only way, skip NK and then say "Well i was screwing with you i am Bulletproof and mafia tried shot me lol", otherwise i will be choped 99% for various reasons.

I need to die today lol.

that would not work because you were very obviously aware of what menalque claimed

[catboi]

just stop posting for now

[catboi]

if deadline runs out i think we win, otherwise we lose

[catboi]

I'm kind of hopeful they will - looks like skitter's not hammering and ydrasse might not show up

[catboi]

it's been an incredibly tough game

[catboi]

so...i think we kill galron? dunno what the best report claim for enchant to go with is, probably an innocent

[catboi]

Enchant kills Galron

just to lock it in

[catboi]

i just checked and this is already the longest open game of all time

what a dubious accomplishment

[catboi]

i thought about it in the shower and i think enchant should just go for it and guilty datisi

enough people want to believe it that it could maybe work out if for whatever reason people actually side with enchant

[catboi]

i mean you were given the suggestion but you don't necessarily have to go through with it

if you do give a report on something_smart it should be an innocent

[catboi]

you should be claiming she is lying and that there is no hood, therefore she is mafia

[catboi]

claim the innocent on something smart

[catboi]

I'm so fried mentally

the will is still there but over a prolonged period of time playing scum the mask starts to slip

there's no gears turning inside, I run out of stuff to do

[catboi]

don't worry I think I know what I want to do it's just a matter of getting in the right mindframe

for what it's worth keep doing what you're doing - just butting in and interrupting the conversation between towns here is actually valuable to keep them from colliding braincells

[catboi]

my thinking is we go kill mare > kill alyssa, and i turn around my read on kaiji in ELO. if they're getting tunneled by multiple people someone actually taking their side is going to feel like a savior

[catboi]

...or they start efforting hardcore and become a problem

[catboi]

I was kind of worried that the kaiji kill is a kill that becomes questionable as to who actually makes it but it strongly depends on how much effort they are putting out

[catboi]

I'm not actually sure I win between datisi and skitter lmao

[catboi]

I guess kaiji is efforting that makse for an okay kill I guess

[catboi]

still not sure readign the thread it's the right move

[catboi]

like trying to sell skitter killing kaiji is very hrm

[catboi]

or maybe not lol reading is making me second guess

[catboi]

taking myself out of the thread flow for a day and im like bleeeuuuugh

[catboi]

I definitely think killing alyssa is better


this is coming as someone who is habitually terrified of the read flip andfrequently makes suboptimal kills off of it - it's rarer than you'd think and i think kaiji has made enough enemies that one of them votes them

[catboi]

finally

[catboi]

catboi kills mare

[catboi]

sorry for being such a limp noodle I feel like I picked the complete wrong approach here

[catboi]

I have no idea what I'm doing but it's working somehow

[catboi]

I mean it's some of that but also I thought kaiji was priming to kill me and i shook them because I started OMGUSing them

[catboi]

and I think in this situation you can't

just

sit around hoping town eats itself alive, you do have to stir things up a bit even if you're not directly leaping into the fray - passivity isn't going to be enough to get you over the line and eventually if you're doing nothing at all people are going to want to kill you

[catboi]

Amusingly, a literal interpretation of your objection would imply that you are claiming you

are

a goon.

sorry if this is too cheeky, lmao

I don't think anyone's gonna latch onto that so it's fine

[catboi]

This shit is really going to go on for 4 more days isn't it

it's like a 90-round boxing match