NQN2 -- Maurice's Pizza and Money Laundering

[mastina]

[screams into the void]
fuck

Oh just you wait.

mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

You are a

Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

.

As a mafioso, you can talk anytime with your partners,

Cat Scratch Fever, Flavor Leaf and Enchant

, in Maurice's Pizza and Money Laundering.

Two nights out of each set of three (1/2/3, 4/5/6, etc.), you may collectively choose one member to kill another player. If you submit kills during the first two nights of each block of three, on the third night you will not be able to kill. Members may kill and use another night action in the same night.

Twice during the game, you may protect yourself from werewolf kills at night. You must indicate when you wish to use this ability, and shots are expended even if you are not attacked.

Once during the game, you may block another player. Their night action will not work, and any investigative role you target will be told they got no result but will not be told why not. Note that you cannot use this ability and activate your wolf protection on the same night.

You have been the scourge of this town for decades. If you are killed by the town or a town-aligned player during the day, the town will gain an additional elimination that day.

You win when more than 50% of living players are mafia.

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment and, if any, partners.

The game thread is here.

[mastina]

MOD: Can I get a Beloved Princess fakeclaim that works in the inverse method to my role?

[mastina]

(I apologize for calling Enchant-FL as "scum participating in FL shenanigans" but it's

very

in-character for me and I don't think it's harmful to have done. Is honestly closer to me being a cheeky scumfuck.)

[mastina]

(Btw I also realize claiming beloved princess might out myself to the other scumteam--if they have a Loathed on their team, they'll know I'm scum fakeclaiming. But, I honestly wouldn't mind them shooting me since if they shoot me, it means the town doesn't get that extra elimination.)

[mastina]

Btw side-note; I realize I am probably going to give Norwee some PTSD but this is a multiball game. I'm scum but I can still genuinely scumhunt and Norwee looks to me to not be a member of the opposite scum faction and thus, is town.

[mastina]

beloved princess

You are a

Town Beloved Princess

.

You are beloved by the people of this town. If you are killed by the town or a town-aligned player during the day, the following day will be skipped to mourn your loss.

You win when all the mafia and werewolves are gone.

MOD: how would a town vig interact with the above role?
How would a scum faction killing the above role interact with it?

(I think that the answers are obvious, but I just wanted to make sure. )

[mastina]

(Btw when it comes to me fakeclaiming, I wouldn't consider this game to be a fake claim. There are always obvious times where an inversion is optimal. As a Macho, you want to claim bulletproof, so that you aren't shot. As a bulletproof, you want to claim Macho, so that you're shot.

As a scum Loyal role, you want to claim Disloyal.
As a scum Disloyal role, you want to claim Loyal.

These inversions are exactly what I mean by "not really fakeclaiming", with it being obvious why.

Claiming Loathed, that I give the town an extra elimination, would literally be gamethrowing as scum, because the town would have every reason to instantly eliminate me, placing my faction down a member and the town with a bonus elimination. Claiming my real role would thus be like Claiming Loyal as a scum Loyal, or Claiming Disloyal as a scum Disloyal. Literally a gamethrow since the role would hard-spew me as a guaranteed to be eliminated player and give the town extra.

So by necessity, I invert the role to be the town equivalent of what is inherently and innately a scum role.

...But I'm sure that won't stop players in future games from pointing out, "mastina fake claims as scum all the time, just look at Multiball2". That's what happened after I was a Scum Disloyal Gladiator and claimed Loyal Gladiator, at least. People said that that was an example of me fakeclaiming, when it'd genuinely have been gamethrowing to not invert.

So, I'm very much not looking forward to future games, since players are dumb and while the necessity of the inversion SHOULD be obvious and how it is still ESSENTIALLY a real claim should be obvious, but dumb players be dumb and be like, "lololol mastina claimed Beloved Princess as scum when she wasn't, the idea she tells the truth is bullshit lololol". Nottttt looking forward to that. )

[mastina]

[mastina does not fake claim, regardless of alignment, except for in extreme circumstances.

(For the record: "having a role that would literally be gamethrowing to realclaim", i.e., this game, I think qualifies as "extreme circumstances". )

[mastina]

Why you even care?

Because I hate people being brainless mostly, and my claim in this game gives an excuse for town players to be brainless in future games.

[mastina]

That'll be a surprise post game for them.

On that note.

We probably need Norwee dead since Norwee is the type of player to have special insight into my dynamic with certain scumbuddies.

Cephrir and I have a similar mechanic to you and I, FL: a ridiculous ease in naturally antagonizing one another. As in, ridiculously easy. So when we were scum together, we took advantage of that for glorious distancing maneuvers.

Norwee will probably assume that's an every-mastina-scumgame thing rather than a mastina-and-her-scumbuddy-have-that-natural-dynamic, but it's still right regardless.

catboi's a risk there, too, so if catboi doesn't get eliminated, catboi will likely figure it out if one of us goes down.

(There's other players who were there and could in theory, but the above two are the only two who might do so in actuality.)

[mastina]

we should make a kill that benefits Mastina tonight.

Well the kills that'd do that are {Norwee, catboi, Toogeloo, Nashville Dreams, MAYBE-StD}.

[mastina]

Unless Ydrasse is a threat to Mastina too, but I imagine not nearly as much as Norwegian would be to Mastina specifically.

Confirming; Ydrasse not a threat to me specifically.

[mastina]

Could always be StD.

Never protected, but is obvtown and can solve good. Low info kill to the town.

[mastina]

I think the play here if FL lives is for FL to shoot me N2--there's a small risk the wolves shoot FL and then we're down two members (in which case, whoooops?), but I *should* die at night rather than day, and the only options to achieve that are either:
We all live (which is going to get harder and harder each and every day), or:
One of {FL, me} dies.

So if FL lives through the day, I should be killed probably.

[mastina]

Like we manually kill you? like legit scum kills own scum mate?

Well, we only have so many options.

I shouldn't be eliminated during the day, and while you and me have good not-partnered interactions, I actually fit as a catboi scumbuddy. Or as malefactor. And while the town may view the latter as a mislim, push come to shove, they'll take a malefactor elimination over a town elimination, and be pleasantly surprised at the result.

Whatever we do needs to make sure that I never die during the day--your death doesn't accomplish that because your death only clears me of being a mafiate, not of being a werewolf or malefactor.

Since your death doesn't clear me of being scum, we need to keep you alive, most likely.

With you being kept alive, we only have a few options available.

-You don't shoot me, but pretend you do; this makes each and every day harder to keep us both alive.
-You do shoot me
-You don't shoot me, but outright admit that you didn't; this makes each and every day harder to keep us both alive.

I don't see a way to ensure that I am kept alive after you die. Too many people are scumreading me and I fit too well as not-town, and your scumflip doesn't clear me from those suspicions.

I do see a way for my flip to clear you--you already cannot be a werewolf, and if I die, then that makes it so you cannot be mafia, either.

I realize it'd effectively be forfeiting two nightkills AND forfeiting a member. So I'll leave the call to you, but I genuinely think that in spite of the risks, it's legitimately the best play.

[mastina]

Yeah, I got that, I agree it's a smart route to go for CSF.

[mastina]

I didn’t get it either, but i think they’re more accidentally correct

Accidentally?

You sure Monkeyman isn't the malefactor trying to signal?

I don't really know who else possibly could've seen FL-mastina and gone "yeah they're scumbuddies".

[mastina]

I hate parity cop :/
She’s gonna target me tonight, i feel

Fortunately, we've got a roleblock which is "use it or lose it" if you do decide to kill me, so...
(Ydrasse is my intended target.)

[mastina]

I didn’t get it either, but i think they’re more accidentally correct

Accidentally?

You sure Monkeyman isn't the malefactor trying to signal?

I don't really know who else possibly could've seen FL-mastina and gone "yeah they're scumbuddies".

Oh there IS one other possibility; wolf who has a scumread on both of us but knows we cannot be one.

Butyeah, my guess for malefactor is actually Monkeyman to be honest.

[mastina]

Roleblock: Ydrasse

As for the kill, it really depends. Do you think that you can survive with Enchant being flipped mafia and then me flipping mafia and probably needing to keep CSF alive in spite of your prior scumread and my defense of CSF spewing them as scum?

I can't answer that for you.

That's why imo it should be your call:
If we go through with it, I'll be dead, so the only one who gets to tell if my death is worth it, is you.

With Enchant's death, the risk went way, way, way up, and the reward also went up.

With Enchant dead, it's pretty much guaranteed that you'll be seen as town for shooting scum after scum died, but there's still the risk of other investigatives, not to mention, being nightkilled, and the awkwardness of keeping CSF off the chopping block in order to not basically be a serial killer.

So, it's still your call.

If you don't shoot me, then both of us will be continuously suspected and my elimination would be disastrous, buuuuuut, if you do shoot me, you shouldn't be suspected by play, but may still get fucked over by roles targeting you.

I can't tell which of those is better for you.

[mastina]

I roleblock: Monkeyman

Unless you have a better target.

[mastina]

Mastina, are you consenting to this?

Yes, I am.

I'm aware of the risks, but

technically

speaking, it was actually my idea.

I'm trusting in FL. If he wants to do it, knowing the risks, then I trust in him to be able to reap the rewards.