House of the Dragon Spec Chat

[VP Baltar]

Poooooky

[VP Baltar]

I think my basic reads are right, and figured if I did die it at least gives GL some freedom from the nonsense that has been this game.

[VP Baltar]

If GL is scum here, he is doing a very good job. There are many posts from him I would not expect from scum. I think my hare brained datisi scum world is more likely than that.

[VP Baltar]

you should've made me queen @valtar

I'm a failure, what cab I say. I mean, you would have executed me, but still

[VP Baltar]

Who's scumsiding?

My true qween

[VP Baltar]

Lol GL just voted Titus head of the kingsguard. Fucking RIP

[VP Baltar]

Just insane play. Town absolutely needed to hedge against a datisi scum world here. The Titus check is so unlikely to come from town datisi

[VP Baltar]

I also think drapion is probably town here. I was kind of reaction testing him a bit. Scum accepting two challenges seems risky. Mayne me dying will help set drapion right.

[VP Baltar]

That’s a horrible result. I knew you were Town VP. I’m so annoyed at that outcome.

Eh, it was a risk I knew was maybe too much, but I'd rather have fun than win. If drapion flipped town, I was going to tunnel datisi for having shit reads and fake ass cop clears

[VP Baltar]

I also think drapion is probably town here. I was kind of reaction testing him a bit. Scum accepting two challenges seems risky. Mayne me dying will help set drapion right.

Still think it’s Shea and FB. Maybe Datisi but I think maybe he’s just snowed.

Just insane play. Town absolutely needed to hedge against a datisi scum world here. The Titus check is so unlikely to come from town datisi

I disagree.

Long as scum doesn’t kill the townfirms then they’re going to run into math soon enough and either Datisi has to be scum or he will have the exact team. Keeping Mastina and Titus alive is a pretty poor move for Datisi scum.

I think if one of Titus or mastina is scum, it's a very smart play by scumtisi

[VP Baltar]

Spec Chat Championship Series: Game of Thrones Edition

How many mafia are currently on the small council?[10 Points for a correct guess]

Members:

TheStatusQuo
mastina
Datisi
Titus
Firebringer
fireisredsir

2

[VP Baltar]

Do I get bonus points since I couldn't participate in previous quizzes?

[VP Baltar]

Effing rude

[VP Baltar]

It's nice to get confirmation that baltors Datisi paranoia was coming from town.

I died so you may flourish my child.

[VP Baltar]

Effing rude

if you want I can set your point total to the average score of all participants at this point in time.

Now we are talking. Was the NK kill guess one for today? I didn't check timestamps

[VP Baltar]

Do you want me to do that? It could be a negative number ^_^

Wow, pooky says yall are bad at mafia

[VP Baltar]

Do whatever makes me win

[VP Baltar]

Do whatever makes me win

you are the master of your own destiny

Ok, fine. I'll not take the average and just play with the points I have so far.

[VP Baltar]

This much as Pooky tried doesn’t feel like a mafia game. If there wasn’t a cop I think it would be. Pooky’s flavor and mod skills are excellent but there needs to be deduction here and no one has agency here.

I think this is a good reason to suspect datisi. There is surely some way to balance the cop, and yet datisi lives? It doesn't make a lot of sense

[VP Baltar]

I think the contest to be on the council is really good for the theme. It's definitely still a mafia game

[VP Baltar]

today might be elo

Wild

[VP Baltar]

I can't believe his reevaluate is this wrong. He has to be town

[VP Baltar]

Titus is fucking open wolfing. I really can't believe GL voted her in

[VP Baltar]

LLD having a tantrum this game makes me very glad I'm dead if she's town.

[VP Baltar]

Why?

Because she hasn't been even playing the game since D1 and then blames everyone else for it. I hate that type of behavior in games.

[VP Baltar]

Titus is fucking open wolfing. I really can't believe GL voted her in

GL and Datisi are wolves

Datisi definitely maybe. GL is town

[VP Baltar]

Save me drapion! My hero!

[VP Baltar]

Pooky is trolling. Howling could have two meanings herr

[VP Baltar]

Here

[VP Baltar]

LLD might be able to rally some troops here if she can win over Shea to lim datisi today.

[VP Baltar]

Firebringer running someone being replaced up to E-1 and datisi has no objections

[VP Baltar]

I don't think town enchant just hammers to hammer

[VP Baltar]

In this case I mean

[VP Baltar]

Scum firebringer +datisi+ mastina CONFIRMED

Ugh, that definitely looks bad

[VP Baltar]

Enchant hammers now? Well maybe this will flip scum and we really aren't screwed here

[VP Baltar]

Enchant scum. Lol this really was just low effort scum team all along I guess

[VP Baltar]

I mean, demotivated mafia hoping the replacement actually plays and then doesn't show. Awkward spot for mafia.

Pedit:about enchant

[VP Baltar]

Yeah I thunk it's a reasonable suspicion. If I was still playing, I'd have a lot of homework looking up dann associatives.

[VP Baltar]

True. But firebringer knows to bus before then, right?

And if it's only datisi, what the hell was he doing all game?

Maybe it's like drapion or something

[VP Baltar]

I guess I could still see a datisi-mastina world.

[VP Baltar]

GL is never scum here. So silly

[VP Baltar]

Who else is on kingsguard tonight besides Titus and Furtive?

[VP Baltar]

Oh GL I suppose.

And GL makes a pretty good case for Firebringer scum based in Dann associatives. Maybe they will toss the council tonight? The risk is they could be in ELO if wrong or something close to it.

Datisi needs to cop check firebringer tonight.

[VP Baltar]

I wouldn't be surprised if GL gets killed tonight. I think sussing him is pretty unlikely to go anywhere at this point.

[VP Baltar]

Who got assigned tracker?

[VP Baltar]

anyone want to guess who gets killed tonight? :3

Trolling ass mfer

[VP Baltar]

it's probably enchant, drapion and furtive. Enchant is going full yolo finally.

[VP Baltar]

Lol there goes that theory. I love this game.

[VP Baltar]

Death is like a Spanish woman to me

RIP

[VP Baltar]

Are scum immune from killing each other in duels?

[VP Baltar]

15% isnt even that bad odds in terms of living like 85% of the time you'll be fine

Proof that pooky rigged my death out of spite.

[VP Baltar]

Fire has convinced them to make scum do the dirty work I think, which I'm guessing they will not.

Meanwhile, if they wait until tomorrow to flip dats and he flips scum, they would have way too many clears to easily hit scum.

[VP Baltar]

God if datisi actually is scum here I will flip

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, I don't disagree. I cited a similar point in my datisi scum tinfoil case. I would love to see datisi, mastina and Titus all flip red.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, if datisi flips town here, obv those two are town. They don't get flipped in that case.

I do think datisi is making some pretty bad arguments why he shouldn't be flipped here tho

[VP Baltar]

I dreamed last night that datisi flipped mafia in this game. >.>

[VP Baltar]

FUCKING SCUM FUCK I LOCKED THIS GAME UP

[VP Baltar]

I knew your cop play felt off. Prophecy dream is undefeated

[VP Baltar]

Going to be interesting to see where the cop goes tonight.

[VP Baltar]

I think my datisi+titus+mastina logic is very possibly accurate.

[VP Baltar]

We're you ever going to kill me?

[VP Baltar]

We're you ever going to kill me?

no, we were intending to keep you alive. at the time of discussing nightkills, anyway.

Boo. So I'm very wrong somewhere.

[VP Baltar]

I feel like

"Scum!cop is scared that a tracker will plant themselves on them" is a pretty self contained explanation for most of this games kills lol

Fair enough. I do love being a threat as VT, but you're probably right

[VP Baltar]

Scum pool feels very limited though. I'd have to do the math, but I wonder if town should overthrow tonight to lim Shea and mastina.

Then the game is probably just correctly cleaning up LLD-Titus-GL.

Drapion and Roden feel very likely town.

I should go back and look at the Shea wagon again, that seems like it would be informative to analyze again

[VP Baltar]

obv not, i wasn't visiting there during the nights when we knew a tracker *could* be a problem. it just so happened that we were oftentimes killing the tracker, and then realized that hey, the tracker is dying, i don't have to visit my target.

the super sekrit scum powers have been a disappointment, though

Multiple scum on council confirmed

[VP Baltar]

There's only two in kingsguard tonight I think? That'd be a scum claim.

[VP Baltar]

There's only two in kingsguard tonight I think? That'd be a scum claim.

I didn't realize it was down to that small!

I'm not certain. I think it was 3 last night

[VP Baltar]

FUCKING SCUM FUCK I LOCKED THIS GAME UP

NEXT TIME IF I HAVE DOUBTS YOU FOLLOW ME.

It was probably too early that day to lim datisi tho. I don't think either of us could have made that case at that point and got a majority.

Question now is if LLD is bussing to deepwolf

[VP Baltar]

Oh shit. Definitely want to know what happened in kingsguard last night.

[VP Baltar]

oh no the king is dead

Scum are getting desperate trying to shorten the game.

[VP Baltar]

Only other way would be GL deep wolf and this is a setup on Mastina, but I find that very unlikely

[VP Baltar]

lol we definitely don't need to relitigate this. Shea played townie after the dwlee misfire. It's fine and the best part is we are all dead so it doesn't matter anymore!

[VP Baltar]

Question here is if they hammer mastina before she can execute.

[VP Baltar]

And a guilty!

[VP Baltar]

Does the Scum reverse the decision of the Kingsguard to keep mastina alive as Town? Because this feels rushed in that way.

If it's FB scum, probably. This game might be lost if that's the case anyway

[VP Baltar]

I mean, breaking the kingsguard to get mastina king is auto suss on mastina, so what's the difference if she does the kill.

[VP Baltar]

Trying to do some math though, scum aren't actually that close to winning, even if they somehow get super powers? Datisi already said the scum powers are lame

[VP Baltar]

Unless there is some secret benefit to having no clear heir to the thrown

[VP Baltar]

Why would the town elect a scum king though? You just make Roden king or something safe. Lim FB tomorrow. Idk what the actual scum angle would be here

[VP Baltar]

I think GL would be the only potential scum working that angle, and I wouldn't let him be king at this point. The roles are kind of unnecessary when the poe is this tight. No need to take a risk

[VP Baltar]

Lol it is just Titus.

I need this for my ego

[VP Baltar]

Could be Titus just didn’t log in? Don’t votes have to be unanimous?

Pretty sure GL said they all voted to overthrow in the thread. That means someone switched in private. Got to be Titus or LLD, and I think titus.

[VP Baltar]

Given Titus tried to “duel” Mastina to prove her town I can buy it

I just don’t get FB town from play.

Could be Titus just didn’t log in? Don’t votes have to be unanimous?

Of submitted votes. If a vote is not submitted at all, it doesn’t affect it. Dannflor “didn’t vote” one night so that was clarified before the decision was taken.

Oh yes, also this

[VP Baltar]

Isn’t it just an auto loss at this point?

I would probably just concede if I was scum. You can't get out of this.

[VP Baltar]

Titus should have overthrew last night and tried to claim lock town on those four to get to the end.

[VP Baltar]

Just insane play. Town absolutely needed to hedge against a datisi scum world here. The Titus check is so unlikely to come from town datisi

yeah maybe like by you NOT DYING

I died so you could live my child.

[VP Baltar]

I loved this setup. It was very political and using the multiple PTs to sway was fun. I actually was kind of glad I didn't get power because I could play riskier without much worry. Biggest challenge for balance is if scum gets boxed out early I think.

[VP Baltar]

Although, I did get on the kingsguard, so maybe that added fun that others were lacking.

[VP Baltar]

See, I liked that it never stopped. It seemed to fit thematically really well. People are always scheming for the throne

[VP Baltar]

Imagine having a life and being on mafiascum dot net

[VP Baltar]

Would be funny if we get a King Enchant before the game is over though

[VP Baltar]

Unironically I feel like pushing Datisi was in fact scumsiding because from a mechanical AND play viewpoint it was the worst possible elimination to make--so it was explicitly from an uninformed perspective, scumsiding by being the most pro-scum action possible.

This doesn't seem remotely true. I laid out actual play reasons to think datisi was scum (shitty cop checks, bad reads generally, angling to get scummy people into power spots, etc), and LLD made a very accurate mech argument to lim Datisi at that point. Had Datisi flipped town, town would have had two confirmed towns and the cop would have gone to a stronger town read at that point. I don't see how that's scumsiding at all.

[VP Baltar]

Although there were a few people that were refusing to read you two independently from one another (*subtweets Mastina and Drapion*)

I was disappointed VP died in that duel because pushing the narrative that VP and GL were scum together was very convenient for me.

I think this was a smart play tbh. I have no idea if I ever would have turned on GL, but he and Datisi were on my "needs regular sanity check" list.

[VP Baltar]

We're you ever going to kill me?

no, we were intending to keep you alive. at the time of discussing nightkills, anyway.

Yeah I hard-vetoed the idea of ever killing VP Baltar here.

There was one instance which would allow us to have justified it, but in all other cases, I was vehemently against it; we wanted VP Baltar alive unless it was the town to end his life.

Why?

[VP Baltar]

On the retirement note, take time off. I took like 7 years off. I am having more fun playing mafia now than when I stopped because I don't take it so serious anymore. Time away is good if it doesn't feel like fun anymore

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, just power lim Titus at day break and figure out the rest if the game isn't over. The supporters thread has LOL levels of debate still.

[VP Baltar]

In what world does scum claim a guilty on their last buddy at that point? Oof

[VP Baltar]

You cannot escape the game of thrones

[VP Baltar]

He may not know.

When we elected Shea king, the people who supported him got a PT, and the people who did not got a separate PT. There is also a PT for the kingsguard and for the small council

[VP Baltar]

they're probably gonna overthrow

KING ENCHANT

[VP Baltar]

My true liege

[VP Baltar]

Seems like GL is coming around to Titus, so that's good.

[VP Baltar]

That gambit you guys did with datisi fake clearing both of you. Crazy.
Mad props did not see that coming

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