Mini Normal 2285: GM [scum pt]

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So basically as soon as toto dies we are no longer ninjad
Interesting

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As a totally random aside i really like the colors you use for scum/town roles, dats

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Ahhhhhhhhhh playing scum

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Eh not my cleanest game, too tired to fix more rn lol
We shall see what happens

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Lol this is a game
Busy day at work/irl i'll be around later

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Heya pooky :)

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It's ok this is my second game in four months
And, uh, not my best work lol

Pedit indeed

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Good plan, i approve

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Seriously
This wagon is hilarious

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Is he actually an alt? Can't tell lol
Don't tell me who he is tho

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He reads like quintessential new player used to a different site meta to me

But hey i'll take the flip lol

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also fwiw i think we can toto alive for a while here

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Sorry next week is gonna be crazy busy irl for me and i'm working overtime to make sure i'm prepared at work >.>

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<3 not worried, just explaining!

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As an aside, any thoughts on who to murderize?
Feel better ydra, have a great weekend everyone!

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I am still here, sorry everyone >.>
Really busy irl this week

Who we killing?

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I think that's a good idea

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Did toto reveal what his info was?

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I think iv or dann is a good choice

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Cool ninja outfits

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Ugh sorry this isnt really my game
>.>

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Indeeeeeeed :)

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Kinda amazing how much everyone wants to flip scoli

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I'm kinda translating math's posts as him crumbing a pr?

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Ok he's claiming the protective that protected iv, got it

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Man i really just want someone to hammer lol

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Also: so confused why he randomly decided to claim that

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Ah ... didnt realize the vc >.>

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He literally crumbed some sort of doc like 4x in his first five posts

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i've no idea why i'm poking at math but eh

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i know
but he's already omgus'ing me so eh

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i have no idea what i'm doing >.>

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i'm still p sure that scol is going to flip today so i'm not sure any of this, like, matters

i also think i'm goign to get into a fight with math at some point anyways so i'm gonna try to point to 'why would i ever start this based on what happened last time'

i also think that i'm not endgaming this, i'm kinda at this point just trying to have a mess of an iso with a *lot* of ugly associatives for after the fact

also i'm kinda just enjoying internet-fighting with people

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eh at this moment i do, but don't necessarily generally
i think it's just gonna continue (and was inevitable to get started) so i'm gonna sleep and pick this up tom

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you too!

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Why cant we just nk him again?
Lol

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I'm also, like, so confused why he decided to claim this

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ah sorry kinda made a bit of a trainwreck >.>

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i bizarrely enuf am
and uh also probably tanked this a bit >.>

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:)

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Man this inevitable is taking a *really* long time to happen lol

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I find other people's thoughts on my town/scum games fascinating

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I also have a v strong desire to point out that based on herta's current trajecotory they should be voting me, and not enchant, but i think that might lead to them actually voting me

Great thing to point out tom tho

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Man *finally*

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So who do we want to murderize?

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:thumbsup: good plan

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skitter murderizes math

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Dats two levels of protective + watcher ... >.>

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Not so fun from a scum perspectivr, feels like we got punished for making the right kill two nights in a row

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I just ger annoyed when from a dayplay perspective we'ce made the right kill two days in a row and nobody's dead

Also idk who we can even kill with a jk
And jk seems overpowered

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There's a 4 person town block
This isnt technically mechanically lost but i don't think winnable

ydra kills fire

Ydra feel free to change if you think there's something better

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Dats i'm gonna have a lot to say abt this setup in post ...

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Actually i think math if not 1s will be on fire
Thoughts?

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Yeah sorry dats agreed, this is kinda Not Great from our pov

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I don't think you were jailkept so

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Sounds good. I kinda went into shrug mode too yesterday

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Wait till fire says what he did tho

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Agreed

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Maybe he did jk you, math being a full doc is just ... ?

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1s strongman

Also doc/jk is ?

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Val is prob the watcher fwiw ?
But lile he prob won't be believed

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And yeah i hate to complain
But like layered chains of possible protectives are not fun for scum

It's probably a neat aesthetically pleasing setup in principle tho

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Me? Eh
Let's see how you/fire/val thing plays out

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So is math a full doc then ?
Like

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I mean fwiw it was p apparent that if either of us were being jk'd it would have been me

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Also unless i missed something there was no implication math was gonna be on fire

Ok i should stop being annoyed now
But yeah kinda frustrating

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Ph he said it straight out in his last post
Eh we did kinda whiff that one

But even so

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We shall see ig :shrug:

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Herta is the watcher then
Eh

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Full doc
Wild

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Indeed

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Sorry my motivation is like completely zapped >.>
+ not great day at work

Gonna try to be around later

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I actually think we no kill on purpose tonight

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My rant abt the setup cuz it's a little frustrating:

- three ninja
- informed that there's an ascetic watcher
- informed that the ic is macho + ninja enabler

Until we know where the watcher is we're strictly disincentivized to kill the ic - we lose the only edge we have (ninja) when the ic dies and the watcher is still in play

That means that until we find the watcher, we shouldnt be killing the ic

That means that we have to start killing elsewhere. I don't remember if math is informed that toto is macho or if toto just said it, but either way math knows he isnt supposed to be on the ic

So we happen to kill the doc protect, fine. Annoying but these things happen. From dayplay i still believe we made the right choice to target iv n1

Once we know there's a doc, from our pov the optimal thing is to target them. Running into a lol-jk at that point is demoralizing because there's absolutely no way to predict that, and we were penalized for making the correct nk choice (twice!) based on the info we had. There was no reason to believe a jk existed, and frankly I believe we're significantly underpowered: we don't really have a way to break the doc/jk thing. Town's speculating we have a rolestopper or rb, which we do not

On top of that there's still the watcher that we need to deal with: if we ever kill the ic, there's *three* levels if pseudo-protectives

It's almost impossible to kill anyone overnight without getting caught/interdered with at that point, leaving scum in a Not Great situation

Even if the game is 'complex', interfering with scum's ability to kill is Not Fun and very demoralizing to play, esp. if there isnt really an indication that this is the sort of game i signed up for.

It really feels like we were penalized for making the right choices with the information we had (ignoring n3), and now we're in a 10p game on day4 with a vanishingly small lim pool

/end rant

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Also in order to try to make nks safely, we're kinda forced to deal with doc/jk/watcher, which negates our ability to make kills based on dayplay, which is a key factor in choosing how to make kills as scum

We have to kill the prs mechanically, but in practice we can't
And there needing to be 4 very specific individuals killed means we can't choose who we want to kill based on dayplay, which is also annoying

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Fwiw let's try to avoid flipping val here - if we miraculously get to elo, and val and math are there, we win

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Yeah i have no idea, i'll take it tho
Idc herta or freedom

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Actually i think we kill kitty tonight, and toto tomorrow
(If we get a kill through)

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Well then

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Maybe toto actually
What do u think?

And who should do the kill? >.>

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Well jk + doc
I'm down to try but honestly idk which of us is more likely to get a kill thru

I think he might have run out of shots tho, not sure

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I think either:
- kittytacky
- toto
- no kill

Probably in that order? But i'm getting a little more concerned abt leaving toto alive tbh

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We might as well go for what?

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I think the longer we keep math/fb alive the more limmable one or the other becomes. I think if we miraculously get to a val+math elo we actually win

Kitty first: i don't *think* math docs him tonight because he's convined he's scum. We need to deal with toto tom who's scumreading both of us, but we can kill him tom night

Toto first: have ro kill kitty the following night

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We can leave that for now
I think it's just a matter of who we thinj fire is less likely to jk

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Idk how we got this far tbh

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What is a checker even lol

Awoooooooooooo

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Lol

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Indeed!

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fiiiiinaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy

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Fwiw ideally we *don't* flip math or val today -> if they're both alive tomorrow i think we just win this

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Apparently

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Noooooooo i want the gladiate tomorrow lol

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Math flipping is better than val tho, i think

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Where are u faking a guilty as town lol ?

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Yeah

If you're ok with it i'm going to move in the direction of being open to voting you - it looks like it might be you today, and i think i'm more likely to go a little farther if i'm on the 'right' side of this

Lmk if you'd prefer for me not to take that route tho

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I'm kinda lolposting, not sure if what i'm doing now is helping anything :shrug:

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I surprisingly feel like i have a lot of power in the game rn
Really weird how these things work

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i murderize kitty

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This is gonna be very perfunctory, this isnt really winnable from my pov

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Oh whoops that was a bit silly
Been kinda out of it in this one for a while

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Kinda distracted irl and this isnt super high priority and kinda at the point where i'm going thru the motions and apparenrlu not really thinking things thru

And i'm kinda fine with conceding tbh
I'll sleep on it so don't take this as an official concession, but yeah

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concede

I'm sorry if this isnt good sportsmanship or whatever
But this isnt winnable from my pov
(And hasn't been since ~day3, town just didnt realize till now)

I'll have a lot to say abt the setup after/later

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No redacts