McMenno/MathBlade/Enchant mafia thread

[MathBlade]

Hi any tldr?

[MathBlade]

scum is mostly lurkish except Ranger... your slot is in a fine spoot but im not sure about mine, but there are some competing wagons on town (Frogster/Quiet Owl/Ythanslot)

Ranger is scum?

Why is Ranger not in the PT?

[MathBlade]

read your role pm

I did.

There’s two teams but I don’t see where Ranger is forced to be on one?

[MathBlade]

they have their own PT

..By that definition I am scum with ranger.

I am a neighbor remember?

Ranger is in that PT

[MathBlade]

do you know what sort of inventions you give out?

im a fruitvendor and im in a big neighborhood that includes all the other mafias and more. it has ranger, cat scratch, gamma, STD, kittytacky, erinys, kitten around, morning tweet and furtive glance.

[MathBlade]

Kind of sus of Titus’s mason claim lol

[MathBlade]

Yeah there’s a shit ton of people in that PT.

It’s why I acknowledged it on game open.

[MathBlade]

I am lying in thread btw I think quiet owl is town AF

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Kill it or better yet invest it if you get the chance.

That post sticks out like a sore thumb.

[MathBlade]

Don’t vote Frogger
My guess is he cops people who vote for him or something similar.

He’s trying to piss off too many people to not be mech related

[MathBlade]

Yes.

Oooh
I know.

Reap ultimate chaos.

Give the player a one shot change alignment to another player of your choice. Compulsive. *mwhahahaha*

More chances for secret traitors.

Mod might not allow this but it will be spicy fun.

[MathBlade]

Frogger is scum. I think he’s signaling they want to cooperate.

[MathBlade]

Awww fine guess we will have to do the good ol fashioned unalive bomber.

(It’s a vig but you die with your target)

[MathBlade]

Mcmenno did you claim a role that messes with invests?

[MathBlade]

When we get a better idea of claims we can build custom inventions especially ones that counter prior claims or just headaches

Unalive bomber is good until then.

[MathBlade]

We are destined to be scum together Enchant <3

Scum forever. You and me and buddies (if any) against the world. Mwhahahaha

[MathBlade]

I didn't realise this had opened already

I'm a 1-shot investigative ascetic godfather (first result is "no result", after that it's town)

I want to claim something along those lines (miller-like) but not too suspicious, not surer what though

So who should McMenno kill?
Who should Enchant invent?
And who should I fruit vend?

I kinda wanna fruit vend Ranger as a hello.

Then we kill in the hood ideally until it’s just mafia left then we can talk cooperate or betray.

Or

Kill Titus/imaginality and bury the invention.

We can alternate kills and buries so Enchant seems even night

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

I don't think Fenrir is a bad shot

Which slot is Fenrir?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: McMenno kills StD
Math fruit vends Ranger

These are filler. If anyone has any better ideas go for it.

And I doubt we have an SK.

Probably wine.

If we have an SK our job gets easier / harder

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Enchant gives invention to Titus

Her reads suck and you have Mason excuse.

This is just a placeholder since compulsive. Please change it however you like.

[MathBlade]

WHAT i give to Titus?

I think unalive bomber. She’ll laugh and get a kick out of it and likely take her and another town.

[MathBlade]

I don’t know what the PC term is.

[MathBlade]

Ohh but that would be sketch giving it to a mason,

Maybe say it’s compulsive giving and didn’t want to give it to scum?

Meh :/

Back to drawing board.

Maybe desperado vig?

[MathBlade]

If you have a better idea I am all ears I figured you giving it to a mason would town lock you hard

[MathBlade]

I came up with another idea.
We can give players ability to make PTs.
It was a big deal Ranger had a PT so maybe we can force more PTs to be added to avoid the dreaded “x has a PT kill them” problem.

[MathBlade]

Still struggling with ideas.

[MathBlade]

That works

Sorry been swamped

[MathBlade]

VOTE: McMenno kills StD
Math fruit vends Ranger

These are filler. If anyone has any better ideas go for it.

And I doubt we have an SK.

Probably wine.

If we have an SK our job gets easier / harder

Putting this here for easy mod reach

[MathBlade]

Nice I like it Enchant! it will look Townie but will likely kill her for us well done

[MathBlade]

is that protection one shot, just for the next cycle, or permanent?

To be clear if she successfully kills and dies from the desperado shot she cannot save herself from death.

[MathBlade]

The game has bastard elements so creating an unkillable town is not on my top ten list.

[MathBlade]

If there's SK, i plan to give him unlimited deathproof.

Why? How would we win?

[MathBlade]

Let’s do that but someone do the math to make sure it’s exactly enough to execute and if you use this power you lose it. We don’t want NM to be the always right player and then just lose.

[MathBlade]

LET'S BETRAY THEM

We don’t choose until two die from a given faction though.

[MathBlade]

I am multitasking gunsmith compulsive disloyal inventor

We should probably gunsmith someone on the hood team

Not Elements obviously lol

[MathBlade]

Yeah issue is if we give it to NM then they can presume scum did that and it's like insta getaway of me.

Yeah I would save that

Let’s kill the bianco slot and let’s maybe pass someone an invention with a gun and you gunsmith them and you kill.

I will fruit vend Titus.

[MathBlade]

Sound like a plan?

[MathBlade]

@xyzzy or @Korina

: If we give an invention that says to a town player: “You may use this ability to skip the night phase and all player actions.In exchange each evil faction (mafia or SK or werewolf etc) receives and can use one ability that is not a direct nightkill of their choice that would be used before the next day is started. Each evil faction has a night phase worth of time to make the choice. This ability must come from the Mafiascum wiki.. this ability expires at the end of the day passed to you.”

@group: I am thinking we pass this out and if used we cop McMenno then if anyone checks them they cop check good since they seem sus.

[MathBlade]

is this functionally equivalent to what you mean?

"you may activate this invention during the day. when this invention is activated, the next night phase in the game is skipped. that night phase is replaced with a special phase in which each faction that opposes the town may perform one non-killing action of their choice described on any page of the MafiaScum wiki. this invention expires at the end of the day after you receive it."

That’s what I mean yeah. Because then hopefully we can get McMenno cop checked.

If y’all are for just troll game we can do that.

[MathBlade]

But why we want McMenno checked

Because if we get no result we trigger him looking Town to future cop checks.

McMenno desperately needs that.

[MathBlade]

I would say maybe a good fake claim would be

“Until I get cop checked any other cop checks have a 25% chance of returning a wrong result. But if scum visit me they get an unspecified boon which is why I didn’t want to claim it.” (If you get under pressure maybe can use this)

Then after our night phase if the invention is activated we should be set for McMenno hopefully

[MathBlade]

But why we want McMenno checked

Because if we get no result we trigger them looking Town to future cop checks.

McMenno desperately needs that.

Them sorry

[MathBlade]

Maybe there is something we can offer instead?

[MathBlade]

The big thing is we need a way to get McMenno deep. Like except me and furtive almost the entire team is sus right now.

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VOTE: Fruitvend Titus

VOTE: Give NM 1 shot insta hammer invention. This is only valid for the day. It is triggered by using (insert Not Mafia image here) and posting “Hammer Time!” in whatever font you wish.

I wish we’d get a cop check on McMenno for it.

VOTE: Gunsmith check Princess
VOTE: Kill biancosphere

These are filler as I may have some bad work shit.

[MathBlade]

Btw Enchant claim odd night inventor btw.
Let the even night inventor seem sus.

[MathBlade]

Then please suggest something.

We need something that is not like just giving town good abilities.

Like I keep trying give Town something give us better and told no?

@xyzzy - Must be day 3 since Day 2 is in the past but other than that is okay

[MathBlade]

Quick question since I may have just missed it: who exactly is preforming the factional kill? Enchant, correct?

Yeah

[MathBlade]

So I asked xyzzy and since the other group isn’t aligned with us we can give them an invention. So more doors open

[MathBlade]

I think mass vanillize everyone except factional kills. We don’t have any particular abilities on our team we want to keep and then we can avoid the cooperate betray mechanic as we need the multiple kills given the suspicion

[MathBlade]

So the other team is killing HPE at this point

[MathBlade]

VOTE: MathBlade vends Not Mafia

Enchant what was your gunsmith result on HPE?

[MathBlade]

Let’s kill UG tonight.

We gotta kill the people that are not mafia candidates. (Minus not mafia who ironically IS a not mafia candidate)

We need to give furtive some invention that lets him kill further when Ranger likely dies tomorrow or next day. I think a one shot “erase all cooperate/betray choices” and reform us into one team all the same alignment might be the way to go.

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Oh and it gives us a day and night PT and turns one of the 5 of us (st choice) into an SK so there’s always two kills And mafia kills can then hit “mafia” players and the SK is multitasking and ninja for the kill only)

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Math Fruit vends Gimli

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VOTE: Enchant kills Universal Gamer

[MathBlade]

Ask xyzzy please if we can just remove the cooperate/betray mechanic and just make the other team a perma killer with just no ability to shoot cross factions please. Tomorrow is going to be bad probably

I am trying to be active but it is rough.

[MathBlade]

Maybe give furtive a mass vanillizer except factional kills and the moderator makes an announcement this has occurred?

[MathBlade]

Because almost all of our powers don’t do much?
I am a fruitvendor
You’re a gunsmith which won’t matter if everyone is vanilla
McMenno is an eventually inno to cop checks that don’t exist.

We don’t have any active powers and a lot of things can hurt us.

[MathBlade]

Then they don’t? I don’t see the downside

[MathBlade]

Can you tell me what I am missing?

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What if we give furtive an invention that if used will cause the first time suicide bomber to live? And the invention is multitasking?

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Why we just can't vanilaise Town why you want to vanilaise everyone

In case redirection happens you’re not outed evil

[MathBlade]

please choose COOPERATE or BETRAY. you have 24 hours.

May we know who died? So who will be alive to impact our choice?

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the first time a member of a mafia faction dies by any means, the mafia factions become separate, and the other faction will become an opposing faction. the second time a member of a mafia faction would die by any means, both mafia factions will be presented with two choices: COOPERATE, or BETRAY. if one faction chooses COOPERATE and the other chooses BETRAY, all members of the faction that chose COOPERATE will die. if both factions choose COOPERATE, the mafia member whose near death triggered the decision will die, and the other faction will lose their factional kill. if both factions choose BETRAY, all members of the faction of the mafia member whose near death triggered the decision will die, the other faction will lose their factional kill, and the town's win condition will be changed to a white flag win condition -- they win when only 1 mafia member remains alive.

From the PM

[MathBlade]

nope -- you would've inherently gotten that info if it was an elimination, but you only get to know that you get the choice.

Got it thanks!

I am going to assume Ranger here.

I think Titus blew up Ranger is the only thing that makes sense.

Ranger/Furtive kill HPE.
We kill UG.

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If we choose cooperate and furtive/Ranger chooses betray => We all die. Furtive must solo the game.

If we choose cooperate and furtive/Ranger chooses cooperate then => Ranger dies and we lose the factional kill and furtive does all the killing.

If we both choose betray => Ranger and furtive die and white flag happens where none of us are widely TR’d.

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I *think* Ranger has hinted she and furtive would choose cooperate.

If they betray they are fucked.

I think we go cooperate here?

VOTE: Cooperate

It’s high risk high reward but we gotta start taking some risks here I think.

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Especially with LLD hydraing with furtive I can’t just vote to kill furtive.