kitten around/furtiveglance+Lady Lambdadelta/Ranger mafia thread

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What if we all die

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I want to betray every time ;D

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Shall we all just vote for members of the other Mafia team, or am I being really small-brained? I want to, it's funny and I could get town cred for it.

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Should I unvote tris then?

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We get told the other Mafia team, it's Enchant/tris/McMenno

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In my role PM

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furtive, shouldn’t you be nullreading me? I’ve barely posted anything in the main thread. I think your sr on me looks kind of suspicious and may come back to bite you when either of us flips.

Tris is different since she’s actually posted quite a bit.

My bad. You'll probably outlast me so maybe it'll be a good look for you though

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Thanks for the advice

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Am I allowed to out the other team/is that a good idea?

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furtive, you need to town it up a bit. If you do get run up, out Tris.

But hopefully she pivots off of you.

I did a really sus, completely unhinged post instead, hope it helps!

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Am I allowed to out the other team/is that a good idea?

as long as you share a win condition with them, you are not allowed to reveal their identities. once a mafia member dies, there's technically nothing in the rules preventing it (and nothing preventing them from doing the same to you).

Got it, thanks. What constitutes forbidden play in this case? Obviously I'm allowed to say 'x is mafia' for instance

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Ok cool. In other news, CSF has good reads which is sad for us

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[note to self: replace this flavor text with all my personal information later]

you are a

mafia jack of all trades (roleblocker, ascetic, hydra recruiter, neapolitan) neighbor

! you win once no members of opposing factions are alive, or when nothing can prevent this.

the other members of your faction are kitten around and Ranger. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=90207

there is a second mafia faction in this game. at the beginning of the game, its members are McMenno, tris and Enchant. initially, the members of this faction are not an opposing faction, and you can win with them.

the first time a member of a mafia faction dies by any means, the mafia factions become separate, and the other faction will become an opposing faction. the second time a member of a mafia faction would die by any means, both mafia factions will be presented with two choices: COOPERATE, or BETRAY. if one faction chooses COOPERATE and the other chooses BETRAY, all members of the faction that chose COOPERATE will die. if both factions choose COOPERATE, the mafia member whose near death triggered the decision will die, and the other faction will lose their factional kill. if both factions choose BETRAY, all members of the faction of the mafia member whose near death triggered the decision will die, the other faction will lose their factional kill, and the town's win condition will be changed to a white flag win condition -- they win when only 1 mafia member remains alive.

your faction has a night kill action. you cannot target any player you know to be a member of a mafia faction with your night kill.

you have a jack of all trades action. you have four actions you can use once each, one per night.

the first action is a roleblocker action. you can target one player with this action. any action that player takes that night will fail.

the second action is an ascetic action. that night, any action that targets you will fail.

the third action is a hydra recruiter action. you can target one MafiaScum user who does not have any secret knowledge regarding this game. that player will receive an invitation to join a hydra with you. they will know that the invitation is from you, but they will not know anything else about your role unless they accept. you do not get to re-use this action if your first target declines.

the fourth action is a neapolitan action. you can target one player with this action. you will learn if that player is a vanilla townie.

you are in a neighborhood with Ranger, Cat Scratch Fever, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, KittyTacky, tris, HighPrincessErinys, kitten around and Morning Tweet. you can communicate with them privately in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=90209

as long as you are alive, during the day, you can vote and post in the game thread.

please confirm with a confirmation that you have read the rules along with the info requested in those rules.

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Wow kitten, lotta alts there. I'm not worried about Frogster going after my list, hopefully GE will shield me!

@mod: When a mafia dies, does the thing with the 2 scumteams become public knowledge? How much of the PM will be redacted?

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furtive, you need to explain that readslist because Frog is jumping all over it.

I realised Frogsterking's reads are

really

good, calling out several Mafia(!). Might need to absolutely pile on them or we could get completely stomped...

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Am I allowed to out the other team/is that a good idea?

It is absolutely a terrible idea.

We need the other scumteam.

We need all six of us to survive, and to combine our efforts.

I kinda want to turn our 10-person neighborhood into a PT that is exclusively the two scumteams, as to allow us to coordinate better.

That would actually be a great idea but we’d have to get a lot of town limmed/nk’d for that to happen.

Yeah 5 Town by my count: GE, STD, CSF, KT and Princess. Of those I think the first 3 could be smart kills, but it's a bit of a pipe dream at the moment.

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Maybe things will work themselves out, who knows

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Frogsterking can be a bit wacky but damn this game is good, might need to nominate them for something but the game won't end in time.

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Frogsterking can be a bit wacky but damn this game is good, might need to nominate them for something but the game won't end in time.

You need to explain your sr on him or he might try to run you up?

He is trying. It's fine he has 4 more votes than me

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That was big for us. Rest in peace obvious TPR. Quiet Owl's post about most powerful wizard obvious town had me rolling

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How do we know there's SK? Also, CSF is onto me and a good player as well, should be killed at some point if not tonight

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Idk where the thread is gonna go from here but the obvious direction is voting Frog's scumreads. Town doesn't always play it smart though

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What's the delicate situation?

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Maybe things will work themselves out, who knows

Should I use my neapolitan check tonight guys? I also have a roleblock, ascetic and hydra recruiter action

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You should prob just protect an unlikely kill from the other team

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Complusive doc though^^.

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Neapolitan check shortlist: UltimateGamer (Ythan), Lycanfire

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Provisionally,

Neapolitan check Lycanfire

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There's definitely some kind of PGO, Bomb or Announcer. Just has to be

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oo err

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Guide me Ranger. Lycanfire is not a VT if that interests you

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You want to cooperate then. I do too, if we die we die and the other scumteam loses as well

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CSF is the ultimate obvtown good reads amazing scumhunter D:

My one worry is a possible protecto

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CSF is the ultimate obvtown good reads amazing scumhunter D:

My one worry is a possible protecto

But meh

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what do you think about my night action? I've got 3 left to choose from. Roleblock, ascetic and hydra recruiter.

We could ascetic CSF to prevent protectives?

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No, I'd pick hydra recruit.

Check for players in recently completed Theme Games, remove those who aren't the best at scum, and select from the remainder. Ideally, a game you were in.
{Something_Smart, fireisredsir, Datisi} are options from Warrior Cats (a game you were in).
{Radical Rat, Firebringer} are options from Cosmos Mafia (a game you were in).

There may be more options from those games or other games but as it's your decision, you'd be the best judge.

The thing with this is that there isn't much town motivation to choose it, unless I claimed that my role was just this ability.

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I am excited by hydra recruiter but I think I should use the more useful ones first.

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I would rather use ascetic tonight on CSF, or if you don't want that, roleblock Lycanfire. We know they aren't VT.

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And why didn't I use it N1?

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I'd much rather do something more useful. If the player I ask to hydra says no, I waste a night. And Roleblocker/Ascetic are actually useful.

I'm leaning towards ascetic on CSF, but also happy to RB Lycan since we know they aren't VT.

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I'm glad we have a bit of time to talk about this.

1. Why do you think CSF isn't a likely protect target?

2. Why do you think Lycanfire isn't likely to be an investigative/also likely protect target? We know they aren't VT.

3. I think my fakeclaim works best as some kind of weird JoaT with weird actions. I could even trueclaim, I had RB and ascetic as the Novice JoaT in schadd's large game.

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I could use an ascetic on you then, in case of a vig shot

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Ascetic Cat Scratch Fever

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Well

Roleblock Lycanfire

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Well

Roleblock Lycanfire

Roleblock Lycanfire

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Hmm

Did you get what KT gave you then? What am I missing?

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I might as well whip out the hydra ability.

Who did you have in mind again?

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I wouldn't count ya chickens. This game seems insanely chaotic and I wouldn't be surprised if there was another Vig or something

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I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

Do you think my (1) game with her in HotD is a convincing reason to recruit her?

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For the record, if all goes according to plan, tomorrow should be lylo:
There’s 14 alive right now, with 5 scum who collectively win together.

Two successful nightkills brings us to 12 alive tomorrow.

With a single mislim, we get 11 alive going into night. Assuming no failed scum kills, that’s 9 alive with 5 scum.

Even if a scum is shot, that would be 8 alive with 4 scum alive. Both factions should choose cooperation, and while we lose a nightkill, we still have four scum alive that can win together, and a nightkill, with 8 alive.

Even if Titus bombs scum, that doesn’t change. Her death brings us down to 8 alive with 5 scum.
Or 7 alive with 4 scum if one of us gets killed.
Or 6 alive with 3 scum if one of us gets killed and one of us gets bombed by Titus.

Regardless, as long as no scum dies TONIGHT or TOMORROW, and as long as all four nightkills succeed, we should win.

The main threat to this is if Not_Mafia is a Jester.
Ideally, we can kill two birds with one stone and convince Titus that NM is a jester, get her to bomb him, and instead mislim Quiet Owl.

But barring scum death or failed kills, we're actually positioned to win fairly easily.

I do think Quiet Owl is a doable vote.

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I might as well whip out the hydra ability.
Who did you have in mind again?

We need someone with charisma and force of will, capable of pulling off the final needed mislim to win.

My first instinct is thus Lady LambdaDelta, as she is quite capable of doing precisely that.

Do you think my (1) game with her in HotD is a convincing reason to recruit her?

Yes.
She literally won the town that game on the day which was Mylo.
Your recruiting her makes perfect sense.

This could work

I also think people could read scum motivation/teammate influence into my recruiting her, the more natural choice might be someone I've played with more extensively. I think Lukewarm and Aisa come to mind

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There's also the question of which course of action is more believable. If I do suddenly become a hydra, people will naturally ask my role, and I'm not sure what to claim. I don't see why a hydra recruiter would be gated to Night 3, and it's a niche thing on its own. I'd probably have to claim some kind of wack JOAT with nothing abilities.

Alternatively, I could just not claim/claim VT and as you're saying, potentially cruise to a win

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quick note re: 132

both mafia factions choosing cooperate does not cause you to win together. you are separate factions

now

and cannot win together.

Just to clarify: this 'now' refers to the hypothetical scenario in which

another

mafia dies, right?

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Argh

rip Ranger's plan

Quiet Owl into McMenno then hopefully

Might have to nightkill MathBlade

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ok.

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Hydra recruit Lady Lambdadelta

while I think of my fakeclaim

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Would that have gated in the title?

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I've wanted to betray since forever, but I also think the other team will choose betray. Betraying is probably better either way. Ranger, I'm assuming you no longer want to co-operate after hearing about the win conditions?

I guess that means one Mafia 'would die' in this night phase...hope it's not us! Also, what do you want our hydra name to be LLD?

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Do we have a thread connection to them to like

Talk to them, convince them into cooperating?

No.

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then we should just betray

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That was meant to be a gif of evil laughter. Feel free to redact the contentless post above, mods

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I agree it's a tough one yeah, but 2 in 9 can be done

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We need to set up a hydra account right? I'll suggest some names, because this is clearly the most important thing on the agenda:

1. Freeman and Freebird Inc./LLC etc
2. Phoenix Wrong (Attorney at Law)
3. Lady and the Champ

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The name would be Summon Phoenix then. I'm fine with that

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A hydra account is cooler though

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shall I make Summon (The) Phoenix?

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It's a tough one. I like Gimli and keeping him around is more iconic

NM isn't really a fun bean, wouldn't mind smoking him but it would be possible to mislim him I think ('you killed Lycan!')

Prince seems really smart and engaged, I think we'd look a bit bad pushing him

KittyTacky is sort of town by claim if you subscribe to certain setup ideas. Prince strong TRs Kitty.

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I'd like to fool Gimli, but I'd also quite like to be caught by him. Is that weird?

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I think Gimli is the one scumreading NM so that could work as a frame but I'm not sure