Mini 2292: Anything uPick - The Mafia Den

[Wavelength]

Hello

[Wavelength]

So we have

Marashu: Roleblocker + 1 shot Janitor

Wavelength: : 2 shot role stop + +2 shot self redirector + 2 shot flavorANDrole cop

Penguinpower: night 3-5 ninjaORstrongman enabler

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This may be bad, but my current questioning of Ircher is supposed to be from the angle of "I am a town flavor cop, and I cannot figure out how a universal miller could interact with my invest role"

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We did it!

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I am fairly commited to claiming Flavor cop now at this point I think.

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Ceph is part of the Here there be dragons hydra, and had quite a few posts.

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I would probably default to killing strong loud players, so I would maybe go for one of:

Lady Lambdadelta
Here There Be Dragons (hydra of Cephrir and Save The Dragons)
Alisae

But I don't actually have that strong of feelings one way or the other.

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I did not think that ant of the 3 I listed were obviously town given the flip and all 3 being on.

They just seemed like the type that could take over later on.

But I see your point

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Any thoughts on what to do with my pr tonight?

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Wavelength uses Analytical Thinking on Ircher

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Yeah, that would work that way.

I am down to do that if you want

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It might make him look ascetic though, which could be taken as a scum ability

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Although, they might just assume they are roleblocked

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Do we want to fish for prs, or protect from invests?

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I would expect "protecting us from invest roles" to be more powerful later on, when the odds of us getting targeted are higher.

I could totally sell flavor copping marashu too, since I ended the day suspicious of them

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My gut reaction is that getting info now is stronger, and plants are better saved until later

But I don't feel all that strongly, and am happy to do either.

Pedit, forgot your ninja

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Wavelength uses Plants on Marashu

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Although, they might just assume they are roleblocked

Yeah, this is what we would need to go with.

If I end up claiming a flavor cop check on marashu here, then it would sell the roleblock too

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This will cause their role to fail to flip publically - however, their role will flip for the Mafia privately. This cannot be used on the same night as Annoying Chicken Squawking

I... really don't know what could cause it to fail to flip publicly, but not give it to us.

So I actually think that this means that we did not janitor at all? Like, maybe they happen to make themselves leave for a day phase, and that is why the day start post says "no one died" instead of saying that there was no flip.

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Like, they are a Commuter that lasts longer then a single night phase?

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Hmmm.

If the dragons targeted Marashu too, then he is gonna look pretty ascetic :/

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Yeah...

Do we just lean in and you say that you are ascetic?

I could say that I did not get a result on Marashu as well if we are sticking with me rolecopping, but we can also just... not claim I targeted him

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Other then you just claiming ascetic, or just playing dumb,

The only other thing that I can think is for me to say that I Alien'ed you (so I made everyone fail), using it like an aggressively jailkeeper, but then with no flip happening, it will look like I stopped the kill.

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So that also seems bad

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Guess my question is:

Do I say that I targeted and failed to get a result, or do I just never claim I targeted him.

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Can I just say that it is wild that two different townies, with Actions That Tell You if your action failed, both targeted Marashu last night.

Like, most roles dont actually tell you. And our day 1 flip was one such role already. And there were still two that did so.

1 targeting him would have been a non-issue really.

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Marashu, I feel like you needed to come in strong with posts after the ascetic accusation if you were gonna survive the day :/

But, to be fair, you being elimed today is Much Better then if you had been vig shot last night, so Yay?

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I am glad that I accidentally look really good on your scum flip at least.

My game plan for the day was to start out voting you, and say why, but then talk to Ali and others about Lots of Reads, and in doing so not spend a ton of time casing you / rallying votes on you, and then end up somewhere that Ali scum read.

But the ascetic thing coming out doomed you but I was on you before it came out, so that was a nice twist of luck for us.

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For the record, I am getting 3rd party vibes from Ali

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If you really are at e1, you should self hammer

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I didn't count, but pb said you are

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Okay.

Ircher is apparently a bulletproof miller??

I feel like Ali is purposefully bluffing with the mask she got from Flea. She claimed it allowed her to commute, and also that it guaranteed her another shot, but Commute normally stops you from doing actions too.

Also, why actually claim you will be unkillable, instead of letting scum accidentally fire into the claimed Vig?

So, I think that her game plan is to shoot tonight / not commute / use this bluff to keep us from killing her. Then tomorrow night commute when we are supposed to think that that had already been used.

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I'm interested in where you are at too.

You were 100% right with the call for me to use plants on Marashu N1

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Possible Night Kill Targets:

Lady Lambdadelta
Here There Be Dragons (hydra of Cephrir and Save The Dragons)
kuribo
Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Pink Ball
Ircher

Gonna immediately discount:

LadyL

: role seems fairly weak, and also is a possible miselm

Pink Ball

: Possible Miselim

Ircher

: Possible Miselim (maybe bulletproof?)

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Flea

's role appears to be decently powerful, but day play is kind of weak. Not excited by this option.

Alisae

: Might be protected tonight? Maybe?

Dragons

: Feels like the most obvious Doctor Choice of the night (doctor probs wont be on Ali because they claimed they can self protect)

Stephen

feels like it could be a good kill. Despite being town read, I doubt a protective will be on him.

I don't really know what to think about

Kuribo

at all really.

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I feel like Ali is our best kill... if it works.
Dragons is our second best kill... if they are not protected.

Stephen or Flea would be our third best kill if we don't want to risk running into a protective

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idk - i think we yolo on Ali and if it fails just have fun.

I am down for this.

Should I plants you while you kill, or do you think any "no results" on you at this point would be bad given the knowledge of a scum Rolestopper?

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Penguin Kills Ali
Wavelength uses Plants on Penguin

Feel free to change this, just wanted to get an action down

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Oh. Shit.

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I have requested the mod to edit 86, because I accidentally put my main down.

Otherwise, I would like it redacted before the PT is released >.<

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Penguin Kills Ali
Wavelength uses Plants on Penguin

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Thank you gracious moderator.

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The thing is that it entirely depends on what kind of Invest targets you.

Stopping a cop or tracker or vig > potentially being thought of with a rolestopper

Stopping any thing else is likely worse then just letting it happen

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Interactions between Marashu, you, and Ircher are too much for kuribo to ignore. Since Marashu flipped scum he believes that Ircher has to be scum by claim and play, and you are distanced scum based off associative (as mentioned above). You're his weakest scumread and if it isn't you, it's Flea or PB.

I think that it is silly to think that I, as scum, walked into day 2 with exactly two scum reads. Both of my partners.

But okay I guess lmao

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Kuribo says he's crumbed his actions in case of his death

I think Ill go look for this

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like maybe the apathetic part makes my three abilities have to be used on specific nights

N2 Commuter (Spaghetti), N3 Bodyguard (Macaroni), N4 Tracker (Fettucini)

idk - i want to lean into the noodles as well I guess.

I think apathetic = novice is enough, and you dont really need to also be tied down on action choice.

But also probably does not matter.

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I am gonna be real, that I do not know what I should claim my plants do.

And there is a 0% chance that Kurama does not have "wrap a target in plants" flavored ability.

I am kind of wondering if I should fake claim a different flavor all together.

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well - it gets rid of the "why did you choose to commute N2" line of questioning since I don't really have a reason to.

That makes sense

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I am a little worried that that would lead people to wonder if:

Scum Rolestop+Flea's commute+Your commute

would all fit in the game.

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the alternative is for me to be like "I was rolestopped? lol, I don't know why"

but i guess that only applies if two people target me like marashu was so is probably unlikely...just trying to plan

Yeah, it is tricky to figure out in role madness. I don't know the best answer either

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the alternative is for me to be like "I was rolestopped? lol, I don't know why"

but i guess that only applies if two people target me like marashu was so is probably unlikely...just trying to plan

I seriously considered the possibility of using my plants on someone I think might be targeted, in order to frame them.

So that could be a reasonable argument.

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I am gonna be real, that I do not know what I should claim my plants do.

And there is a 0% chance that Kurama does not have "wrap a target in plants" flavored ability.

I am kind of wondering if I should fake claim a different flavor all together.

Any thoughts on this?

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"@LLD quack quack"

I feel like this was him stating a "I targeted you, you will know what it means when I flip" because it is never discussed ever again.

I don't think that he commented in any ways that would let us know his actions prior to a role reveal

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or inventive? didn't LLD claim to have received a mask as well?

Just read her day 1 Iso, and I don't see this

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I mean day 2

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or inventive? didn't LLD claim to have received a mask as well?

I found where this came from. It was a confusion on the part of Flea.

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This does sound like a protective :/

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So, we have a strongman, so it is safe to assume that a protective is out there. Who even are the options? gonna run through

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I don't think that it is any of :
Lady Lambdadelta
Here There Be Dragons (hydra of Cephrir and Save The Dragons)
Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician

Meaning the protective is likely in:
kuribo
Pink Ball
Ircher

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Kuribo being a protective feels very likely give the above, and him targeting his top town read both nights.

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couldn't make me a novice could ya cakez?! had to make me wait until N3!

For real

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Should we take out go for the Dragons then?

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Yeah. Ali feels like she is here for the long haul :/

We can go for Kuribo or Dragons, and I would not feel bad about the choice.

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I actually think her role is weaker then a Vig.

No flip happening on death is fairly Negative Utility.

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But yeah, I hope she is x-shot

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meh so it should be something like

dragons > kuribo > ali for kills and

pb > flea for the miselims

surely ali can't be an ungated super vig

The Kuribo kill does not necessarily have to happen there if you are alive, because we can strongman somewhere else.

So the kill that night can be somewhat flexible.

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Stephen, at this moment, feels more un-elimable then Kuribo, but that is really a question for tomorrow night anyways.

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But yeah, I hope she is x-shot

it's a strongman vig i thought

I don't think so.

I think she said that "ascetic would not have even stopped me" -- but I thought that was because ascetic does not stop killing actions.

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I think that strongman would have killed through my rolestopper, no?

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Wiki said "A Rolestopper cannot block a Strongman from committing a kill, but blocks all other roles from targeting the same person as them"

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I am gonna be real, that I do not know what I should claim my plants do.

And there is a 0% chance that Kurama does not have "wrap a target in plants" flavored ability.

I am kind of wondering if I should fake claim a different flavor all together.

Any thoughts on this?

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If she targets Ircher, and it fails, I think Ircher gets voted out.
If she targets Ircher, and it goes through, Ircher not flipping is really good for us.

If she chickens out based on what Ircher said, then she kills PB, and that is also probably good for us not flipping

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I'll have to think about it. The risk there is if there is more flavor cop out there but that's probably small.

We have a flipped flavor cop, and I am a flavor cop.

Hard to imagine Cakez making 3 flavor cops

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But if you have any ideas for roles to claim my "plants wrap around my target" ability is, I am down to hear that too.

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hmmm...alternatively, if we really want to kill ali tonight we can lure kuribo to you and I can risk the kill...

oh yeah! Lowkey forgot about that ability lmao

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Or, I can lure Flea to get her next invention.

Thinking

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Sorry, fear next invention

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Pengiun kills Dragons
Wavelength uses Fox Transformation on Flea

I am down for either this, or lure kuribo/kill ali. Again, feel free to change, but I want to get something new down since our earlier action appears to be bad

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You have received a Bunny Hood! This magical item will allow you to turn into a bunny for the night when used. No other actions can be used while you are a bunny. That night, you can visit another player and they will be notified that they have been visited by a bunny! This may only be used once and cannot be transferred!

This seems less useful then the one Ali got lol

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Oh. You're gone

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The nights this game have not gone in our favor...

Tracker and Vig targeting Marashu night 1, and our night kill failing.

Then Flea's item being fairly useless and Penguin getting taken night 2

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Maybe claiming that was bad, but I feel like adding another unexplained ability on top of the role stopper could make it harder to pin down where the lies are. idk.

I am just going with it at this point.

And like, I can prove it if asked.

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And I can also prove the flavor cop.

I am hoping that proved flavor cop would not also have role stopper AND redirection. Just sounds like too much for my role (it is kinda stacked, ngl) and therefore put more questions out there on who is lying

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I truly believe that PB is third party.

I think that I am going to try to get him elimed today.

Hopefully I can get my Pengy back.

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Here is my fake role PM

Welcome to Anything uPick Wavelength

You are Apollo Justice

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
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Chords of Steel

- You must warm up your vocal cords and get ready for court by shouting "I'M FINE." You must use Chords of Steel once before you can use any other ability
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Cross-Examination - Objection!

- Cross examine a witness; spot enough contradictions and you might just uncover a killer. Twice at night, you may visit another player and learn learn if they have killed, or attempted to kill, any other player this game. You will get a positive result even if their submitted action failed.
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Court Record - Characters

- The Court Record keeps a detailed summary of all major characters in a case, and you can use it to try to learn more about your target. Twice at night, you may visit another player and learn their flavor

You win once all threats to the

Town

have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90521

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Claiming the mask may have been a mistake, because it caused Ali to double down on hunting me >.<

But assuming me and PB both make it to tomorrow night, I have a gambit idea

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Ali picking a fight with LLD might turn out to be the single best turn of events for us, depending on how LLD responds.

Like. Omg, I was losing hope, and seeing that post from Ali has given me the glimmer back.

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I have decided against the gambit.

Analytical Thinking : Pink Ball
Kill : Kuribo

I feel like I really need to spend some time thinking about the kill, the reads of the game got really hazy to me there at the end of the day, and I need to think through the dynamics.

I am a little worried that a Kuribo kill will put me back into the possible deflector pool, but I need something down (he is a doc and I lost my strongman), and all of the other slots feel murky.

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I am really sad that I was not online when PB started getting votes, I think that if I had been Present, I could have pushed it over to a PB kill, and hopefully gotten my Pengy back.

But now I am worried that he is lost to me forever

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I have been to busy to back read. But I feel like the Kuribo kill could be bad. He was one of the very few deflector possibilities, and he was pointing a finger at me yesterday. Both things could lead people to look more at me.

Gonna to a brief run down of the options

kuribo's protect could easily be on either of:
Lady Lambdadelta
Alisae

Pink Ball - I don't think that I should kill. If there is ever a chance that I get Pengy back, killing here would make him hella sus.
Stephen A Smith : Is likely being taken by Pink Ball

Flea The Magician -- very unlikely to be protected, but also being treated as near confirmed town for giving Ali a commuter. Would be low info, would leave Kuribo on the table as the deflector.

I think I like that

New action:

Analytical Thinking : Pink Ball
Kill : Flea

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I keep getting ideas for gambits, but I have never tried to pull of a gambit before and I am scared lmao

Like, with my claim, and everyone expecting a redirector / rolestop out there, I can do some wild claims.

1) "I targetted X with my flavor cop, but got X persons flavor instead"
2) "I did either ability, and got no result"
3) " I cross examined X, and got a guilty"

1 could frame the second target as scum. "The scum team redirected me thinking I would do cross examine, and wanted to force a fake guilty"
2 could frame someone as being rolestopped
3 would be a fake guilty that tomorrow, I could try to spin as having been redirected.

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I have been to busy to back read. But I feel like the Kuribo kill could be bad. He was one of the very few deflector possibilities, and he was pointing a finger at me yesterday. Both things could lead people to look more at me.

Now I am second guessing, if my role is town, my detective shot is a threat.

Killing Flea > Me looks like they are not concerned about it / trying to kill me.

Also, using my flavor cop keeps me as a threat. I think I need to say that I use the detective shot tonight, so that it will not be such a question why I am not killed later down the line.

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Okay. Who can I put an inno out on that it would make sense for me to target?

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My role does not make sense to target:
Ali
Pink Ball

I would never check Flea here.
I would never target Stephen expecting him to be taken by Pink Ball.

So, I gotta inno one of:
Lady Lambdadelta
kuribo

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If I inno Kuribo and kuribo dies, that is really go for limiting info, but could be taken as convenient.

Inno'ing LLD could work? Like, I don't think that she seems all that likely to turn on me tomrrow. And then I just kill her tomorrow night, and that might be good actually?

How many miselims do I need?

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Lady Lambdadelta
kuribo
Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Wavelength
Pink Ball

World 1) Pink Ball targets Stephen, and leaves the game victorious as third party.

Lady Lambdadelta
Alisae
Flea The Magician
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That is fucking Melo, tomorrow. Jesus. It also has a clear LLD and a clear Flea, and if ali accepts those clears and turns on me I will be royally fucked. I would need her to double down on her LLD read, and think that I was redirected.

I liked the plan before I saw this world. I might need to kill and clear Kuribo if this is the world we live in so that LLD and Ali can cross.

World 2) Kuribo is town

Going to assume that Pengy dies. IF he lives we are in great shape, and I am looking at worst case scenarios atm.

We kill Pink Ball. I kill Flea

Lady Lambdadelta
Alisae
Wavelength
Stephen A Smith
Kokichi

I have to get 2 elims in this pool. Which feels like a fucking nightmare. And this world feels like it would actually benefit from me not killing kuribo

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Alternatively, I can lure Kuribo and kill LLD or Ali ?

Claim I used my detective on Kuribo

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Looking at the third party Pink Ball world:

kuribo
Alisae
Flea The Magician
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It does the same thing. But now it is clear Kuribo instead of LLD. >.<

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This game is fucking hard

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You know, playing as mafia might be a bit easier if I had been given any partners lmao

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If I knew what world we lived in, this would be easy.

In world 1, I can use my flavor cop, because I don't need an excuse why I didn't die.

In world 2, I HAVE to claim I used my detective, or else my slot can't live long enough

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If I knew what world we lived in, this would be easy.

In world 1, I can use my flavor cop, because I don't need an excuse why I didn't die.

In world 2, I HAVE to claim I used my detective, or else my slot can't live long enough

I am an idiot.

I can commit to my night action claim after seeing the day start flips.

Okay. I feel a bit better.

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Nope still dumb. They can choose to no kill and let me get a result. Although from a town!me world view that would just mean that I die, but the only benefit to not waiting is LLD's claw could be scary to go to true ELO if she is the last scum.

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IF that happens, I can claim to get no result on LLD. AND FRAME ALI FOR BEING THE ROLESTOPPER.

That would be the funniest possible ending to this game I think.

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That is my plan to win if we are in world 1.

I claim to have flavor copped Pink Ball. We are in Melo, and Ali and LLD go at one another. If we no kill, I try to frame Ali.

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Now for world 2.

I think that I claim to have detectived LLD?

I think there is a chance that at some point, someone questions if LLD is even clear since we have not found the re director.

But this is a problem for future waveform I think. My brain hurts.

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Analytical Thinking : Pink Ball
Kill : Kuribo

Final Answer

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[quote=Wavelength post_id=13690720 post_num=182 time=1678603751 user_id=36991) FRAME ALI FOR BEING THE ROLESTOPPER.
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This is a dumb plan that never works lmao

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btw:

You are The Dream Kid

"Have you ever had a dream that that you um you had you'd you would you could you'd do you wi you wants you you could do so you you'd do you could you you want you want him to do you so much you could do anything?"

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
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Endless Dreams

- Each night, you may visit another player and pull them into your endless Dream Dimension PT with you. They will not die or flip, but will disappear from the game thread and not be listed any more in the OP, votecounts or anywhere else. You will learn the roles of anyone you pull into the Dream Dimension. You may have a maximum of two people in your Dream Dimension at a time - if you want to add more, you may release one to death with the same action you attempt to pull someone else in, at which time they will reappear and flip and die as normal. You may not release anyone to death unless the Dream Dimension is full. If you die, all players trapped in the Dream Dimension will be returned to the game alive.
-The Dream Dimension is here: [REDACTED]

You win once all other players are dead or trapped in the Dream Dimension, or nothing can prevent this from happening.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90521

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MY PENGY CAN COME BACK

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I don't think that I can really argue for PB's elim, but I can fucking kill him tonight.

BUT, I need PB to not kill Pengy first. If I can get Kokichi to self kill, then he loses the ability to kill Pengy.

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New funniest way this game can end, is with PB eating me after that, and me and Pengy both being in the dream hood lmao.

That might win us the fucking game funny enough.

I think that I am going to make myself a viable PB target. Make a big show of how I am the obvious night tonight, and see if he takes the bait to look like he is "Saving me"

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Pengy, I don't think that you proving PB's hood was the play

Although. If lld had the ability to confirm with kokichi, it probably didn't matter

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Pengy, I take it back. You did good.

They were gonna confirm it either way, but this way made you look townier for if you can come back.

I was just still married to the possibility of Kokichi dying, but maybe that was probably never happening anyways given the LLD/kokichi stuff.

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I miss you

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Also, heads up, in case you did not already notice.

You are confirmed scum to Pink Ball.

He got your role pm when he took you.

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God, I have Ali so pocketed lmao

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I think that I made a misplay this game when I claimed my abilities were 2 shot. If both were claimed as 1 shot, I think that I would be in a much better position to end game.

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If I can turn this around on PB, then we go into tomorrow Melo, but I get Pengy back, and I look partnered with LLD.

LLD can be the game losing miselim, either tomorrow OR after my own flip, and Pengy can bring this home for us

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That is our path to victory.

And, it also gives me plausible deniability on why I am not dead tomorrow.

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If I can turn this around on PB, then we go into tomorrow Melo, but I get Pengy back, and I look partnered with LLD.

LLD can be the game losing miselim, either tomorrow OR after my own flip, and Pengy can bring this home for us

The first part of this does not work, and I am shit at this game.

If PB flips third party, then it is confirmed that there is a scum inside PP and Kokichi. So I can never be partnered with LLD

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But I am locked in now.

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I know that I am scum, so there was a level of manipulation to what I was saying at EoD, but I legitimately think that Ali refusing to unvote was a fucked up thing to do. Especially since she thought I was town.

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LLD getting elim'ed is a perfectly fine outcome for me, because I am scum, I would have been happy with either the LLD or the PB elim, and largely did not care who went over. Was mainly doing it to look townier.

But if I were actually town here, I would legitimately be very upset with her

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[side note : a tactical replace out right now would almost certainly be treated as proving me town, but that is cheating, so it shall not be happening -- but I think there is a chance that if I were town in the position that I was presenting myself to be in, then I might actually have repped out here on the LLD flip]

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I think I have to no kill?

I need to look at the PL again

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Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Wavelength
Pink Ball

If PB really does take SAS, then that is

Alisae
Flea The Magician
Wavelength
Pink Ball

Vote out PinkBall.
Kill Ali (placeholder to count)

next day is

Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Wavelength
Kokichi.

Vote out Stephen

Okay, that is a plausible win con path.

The idea is that Pinkball stopped stephen's kill, and that is why I lived.

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If Pinkball ALSO does not do the Succ, then we will be fairly awkwardly staring at eachother tomorrow thought lmao.

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Now lets run the numbers if pink ball takes SAS, and I kill pink ball. (also plausible that the scum team saw him as more of a threat them me, tbh)

I am assuming that pengy is dying (sorry pengy, I really wanted to get you back, but it does not look likely)

Tomorrow we have:

Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Wavelength
Kokichi

And who the fuck killed Pinkball? Ali? Would I have to turn on Ali?
And who do I miselim the next day.

This feels impossible, omg

The path to victory is ROUGH.

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What if we both no act?

Like, fr fr?

Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
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Pink Ball

It is AWKWARD, but if we kill Pink Ball, then I kill flea, I GET MY PENGY BACK

Alisae
Stephen A Smith
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PP
Kokichi

ELO WITH BOTH OF US

DOUBLE NO ACT GOOD?

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What if I get eaten?

Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
Pink Ball

Pink ball is killed, I kill flea

Alisae
Stephen A Smith
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Kokichi

This seems fine, assuming they kill Pink Ball.

If they go for stephen, then could be ousted, and lose.

Getting Eaten is bad. If I had a true redirect, I would use it to make sure that I did not get eaten, but I don't have that.

I am okay with this world too.

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The worst possible world is if I kill.

I cannot kill any of Flea, Stephen, or Ali without outing that the scum team does not care about my invest.

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Is there ever a world where SAS's ability works tomorrow?

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Alisae
Stephen A Smith
Flea The Magician
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Pink Ball

Double No Kill = 3:1:1 <- from what LLD said, it is off
I no kill, SAS taken = 2:1:1 <- even more off

So, either way it is off.

(I was considering forcing the hated to target me as a gambit btw, but it never works)

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No kill
No role pm action
Activate the Self-Watcher ability granted to me by Flea

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@mod, can I use a role ability and the self watcher?

If yes, I would like to use:

No Kill
Analytical thinking on: Ali
Activate Zora Mask

If no, I would like to keep my prior night actions.

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The funny thing about this situation is that my best path to victory requires me to get pinkball to think that I am town, and the townie's reads on me do not matter.

But I lowkey think that I am doing that?

It is kind of hard to tell with him bouncing between me being obvtown and calling me scum, but I kind of think that the obv town lines are his real read of me, and his callimg me scum lines are his calling me scum is him needing to discredit me.

But yeah, if he targets me over the night, it is gonna be harder for me to win, and he is absolutely eating his top scum read.

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If he eats me, then he has to get voted out tomorrow. BUT, the process of him getting voted out will most likely confirm one of Flea/Enchant town. So the next day will result in me needing to 1v1 the other one on the last day phase.

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Us both killing townies, and me winning the game with us 1:1 is a nice wrap up to the game.

No town making it to the end feels right, because this town has had several missteps this game tbh.

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I wonder who I shoot between Flea and Enchant tonight?

Which is least bad if we double up?

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His, "in what world do I target flea" comment is psyching me out on whether he was considering eating flea over the night is the real issue.

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You win once all other players are dead or trapped in the Dream Dimension, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

This is why he it feels like he has to be lying when he says that he is gonna shoot me and let fae target enchant.

I know that if he really believes that Flea is scum, and targets me, he is game throwing.

So I genuinely believe that he is bluffing that he is going to shoot me in an attempt to convince the person that he thinks is scum from shooting him. He wants Flea/Enchant to shoot inside one another, who ever is scum.

But if that happens, and he eats me, then he loses from that PoV.

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Night Actions are hard.

I think that my night play is much weaker then my day play in general :/

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Getting eaten is not the end of the world, because PB always gets voted out tomorrow. And then I kill Ali, and the next day is Elo. I can always force that to happen with my fox ability if I want it.

So any other choice of kill has to be better then: 3p Elo with one of Flea/Enchant confirmed town. I think that I have a decent shot at 1v1ing either of them tbh.

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Shooting Pinkball.

Tomorrow is 4p ELo with 2 confirmed townies. one of [flea/enchant] and one of [ali/kokichi]. That is worse then 3p Elo with one of Flea/Enchant confirmed town.

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Shooting Flea/Enchant.

33% chance I am eaten - baseline

33% chance I win on the spot

33% chance 1:1:1 Elo.

This is better.

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Using my plants to block pinkball make the odds worse.

33% chance I am eaten

66% chance 1:1:! elo

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Holstering again

33% chance I am eaten
66% chance 1:1:1

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Holstering AND plants

33% chance I am eaten.
33% chance 1:1:1
33% chance we come back at 2:1:1 and everyone is really fucking confused as to what happened.

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33% chance we come back at 2:1:1 and everyone is really fucking confused as to what happened.

Funniest out come

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Shooting Flea/Enchant.

33% chance I am eaten - baseline

33% chance I win on the spot

33% chance 1:1:1 Elo.

This is better.

Best odds.

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Kill Flea

I am gonna think more on who I think that Pinkball is gonna target, but I can put that down for now.

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What if he fucking holsers?

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Tomorrow is 1:1:1, and I am outed scum to Flea/Enchant.

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Third parties make the game so much more harder to process.

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Tomorrow is 1:1:1, and I am outed scum to Flea/Enchant.

I actually think that a win path for pinkball

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If I were pinkball, I think that I would seriously consider holstering.

1:1:1, with outed scum seems like his best path to victory.

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Third parties make the game so much more harder to process.

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If he holsters, then what does killing him look like instead?

That means 5p elo, with 2 confirmed townies. I have to get a miselim on both enchant and flea, and that feels like a nightmare.

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IF he holsters, and I ____

Kill pinkball
1v4 2 confirmed townies

Shoot flea/enchant
1:1:1, and I am outed to the townie

holster
2:1:1, and everyone is confused as to what happened.

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No kill

I will be thinking more on this.

Cursing Ali again for fighting against killing the obvious SK

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No kill

Use bunny mask on flea

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fast night

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Fast night was a mistake.

After carefully maping out all of the night actions on each previous night, this time night came when I was on VLA and I just threw it down and walked away lol.

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Thus, had the Mafia win condition been written correctly as planned (they would have needed to eliminate all other factions) then the Mold would have won as with NAR resolution and Norwe's 1-shot Bulletproof he would have been able to kill Mastina before Mastina could kill him. Thus in fairness, we decided to rule the Mold as a winner as well.

This does actually feel true for this game too...

Like, If enchant were voted out here, my win con is met " by having 50% of the population" but Pinkball's is too. There is nothing that I could do to stop everyone being inside his dream dimension, because his eat resolves before my kill.

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@mod

Can pinkball and I win together with our wincon worded as they are?

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You win once the Mafia
control 50% of the population, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

You win once all other players are dead or trapped in the Dream Dimension, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

If we enter 1:1, then both of these are true.

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I honestly don't know how I am supposed to argue against Enchant's win con argument.

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We are discussing and i will get back to you

The game continuing while the win cons are worked out feels fucked.

(But also, I realize that locking the thread gives credence to the issue, so there is not good answer)

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Kill kokichi

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I feel bad for kokichi, kidnapped all game, and then shot the moment they get out.

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but I can't let him into the game, in case Pinkball announced flea's alignment in their hood.