Newbie 2114 -- NO! ART Imitates LIFE! (Mafia PT)

[bewolkt]

Hey partner!
Just checking that you are also here so we can communicate.

Btw I think you're doing great so far

[bewolkt]

Also feel free to ask any questions you might have (and you don't want to post on the main thread) here.
I see this is your very first game so it might take a bit to get used to everything. I'm also a newbie but I can try to help

[bewolkt]

How are you feeling? I think we are doing okay, I feel I've convinced some of them with my latest posts and you shouldn't be the main target of today's lim I think.

Maybe we should also try to think about where potential PRs might be? We are facing either JK/cop or 2 masons. I'm not seeing any potential mason connections so far unless Aureal is one of them, but let's keep our eyes open

[bewolkt]

You have now the opportunity to contribute and make them leave you for today if you convince them. I think if you make some good posts they'll leave you out because there are other potential scum for them (especially patch). But you need to work them a bit and act like you care about solving.
I'll try to move the conversation also a bit elsewhere but cannot be the first to take my vote out of you or then they'll suspect if any of us fall later

[bewolkt]

Yeah your post was great. I think you're safe now

So we're in a setting where only one of those apply. We are 2 goons and in the other team there are a bunch of vanilla townies (nothing roles) and then one of:
- Jailkeeper: can protect but also block the night action of someone
- Cop: can investigate someone
- Masons: 2 people that now that the other is town

So it's one of them but not the 3 together. I think the first 2 are a bit difficult to catch on day 1 but maybe the mason associations should be there already. I will check later maestro/patch interactions to see if I feel the same and they can potentially be mason team

[bewolkt]

Well there we go. Unless Maestro is lying we have a PR there. And I doubt it's Masons because he was also pushing Patch.
Anyway, I guess we should target him for the night kill

[bewolkt]

Yes but they can't block us in any way. They don't know anything about the setting so for them it is possible that there is another power role that can protect Maestro/Andante, but we know it isn't. That makes me think that he's probably a cop, so he thinks there might be a doctor among town.
Another option would be to kill someone else and then they would jump at him next day, but that's too risky imo because I wouldn't risk him catching us (especially considering we are both suspects for him)

[bewolkt]

Now I'm nervous hahaha what is he doing?

He isn't tracker so why is he lying?

a) He is Mason with someone else and he is waiting for us to counterclaim. But then it would be strange to choose Tracker, because it is possible that we just catch the lie if we are in column C. Maybe they are just trying their luck and hoping we are in column A so that we think there's a Jailkeeper and a Tracker and we don't kill him because the Jailkeeper would protect them. He wouldn't get counterclaimed and they are trying with a 50/50 chance.
b) He is a Jailkeeper and wants to confirm if we are in column A or column C. He only would get counterclaimed if we are in column A and then he can reveal it, but why? I don't see why he would want to out the real Tracker. Maybe to protect him but I don't see it.
c) He is a Cop. He wouldn't get counterclaimed because his options are that he is alone or he is with a Doctor, and Doctor can also coexist with Tracker, so a potential Doctor wouldn't counterclaim and would protect him at night. But in this case he is also betting that we are in column A 50/50 so that we are confused and think we are facing Jailkeeper and Tracker instead of Cop and Doctor
d) He is none and he's trying his luck. He would get counterclaimed in every setting except C1 and C2. We would try to kill him and he sacrifices himself for town. If he is lucky and we are in C2 he might be protected by the real Jailkeeper. But he is risking too much here, it's a big play and the chances are low

So I think the most likely scenarios are a) or c) and in both we should kill him.
What do you think?

[bewolkt]

Thinking about it I don't believe it's that weird. If they are Masons or Cop they have nothing to lose. They are unlucky because we are in the C column but if we were in the A column they would live one day more which would be great for them

[bewolkt]

I guess it's all clear now. Andante and kawaii. I think this whole discussion went well for us. We are quite clear now and everyone is sort of everywhere with Aureal and Aero as well.

[bewolkt]

Agree. Andante feels more dangerous and I don't think it will be suspicious for the others that he was the night kill

[bewolkt]

Yes I'm just trying to consolidate myself as townie there.
Also, I can't believe you're being townread for saying 'hella townie'. That makes me nervous that at any point I'm going to be scumread for any random reason. But don't overplay that card I would say, I feel Dragon is tricky and might be testing us

[bewolkt]

Hi! I'm going to post now to see if I can get out of this

Don't worry about yourself. I think it's good if you build your association more with Aureal than with me like you're doing, in case I am the one that gets eliminated.

But also don't be afraid of interacting with me and pushing me a little bit as well

[bewolkt]

I think I can do it. But if not don't worry, it's more important that you survive and go on (and kill Andante and Kawaii).

I'm going to make a case on Alisae and Kanna and in case Aureal it's the flip later that will look good for us

[bewolkt]

Oh wow... I just came home and I see we made it! Can't believe it. I left having the feeling I was going to be limmed.

Alisae... cause and the same time solution of all our problems. They basically decided the lim. Alisae put the whole conversation upside down and then when everyone was ready to eliminate me they made everyone vote Aureal. I can't believe all the others follow them so blindly honestly.

[bewolkt]

So we should go ahead with our Andante plan? I don't think it is important who makes the kill since I believe the probability of them not being masons is almost null

[bewolkt]

Perfect, do you want me to be the killer or yourself?

[bewolkt]

Perfect, do you want me to be the killer or yourself?

Does it matter significantly? I messaged them saying we both wanted to

It can matter in that in some settings you can be blocked by the Jailkeeper or detected by the Tracker so we have to decide who is killing. For us it won't really matter because Masons can't do anything nighttime
And we can write the night action here in the chat

[bewolkt]

Well I think it won't matter anyway, but I guess it would be the most reasonable

[bewolkt]

All of them I think. I was coming to post in the main thread that we should relax and take a look at things to gain some cred and I see Patch already ended the day?

Honestly I don't think this day could have gone better for us (which means I will be wrong and we'll have problems D3). Now there's reasons to suspect Dragon and Kanna (and hopefully Patch will try to avenge Alisae) and Patch will look super bad because of the hammer

[bewolkt]

Ok so we go for Kawaii then?

[bewolkt]

Sure

bewolkt kills KawaiiKame

[bewolkt]

So I was wondering how should we approach the next day?

I think I will keep pushing Kanna and see if patch (and maybe Dragon) can join. If any of us gets eliminated I think it's going to be me so maybe you can wait to see if there's a push on me and you can join it if you feel it's necessary (but don't vote me directly). In any case we should be careful with the votes because that might reveal that we're together

[bewolkt]

Also we should try to be active because I feel it's possible that Patch votes Kanna straight away without discussing it and then we should vote her together at the same time

[bewolkt]

I think when you come back maybe it's better to not join me directly in the push for Kanna? I'm not sure what are our best choices here.

Maybe we could get patch directly to join us on a Kanna push and then we would have the victory already. But if that somehow doesn't work we could have potential problems later.
Also if this ends up being a Kanna vs Patch fight, we have this as well

[bewolkt]

Yes I think there was a turning point in D1 where if I had been the lim anything could have happened but since it was Aureal everything started looking better for us

[bewolkt]

And I think this is going good right now as well. Patch is going for Kanna/Dragon, Kanna for Dragon/Patch, Dragon for Patch/me so if I keep pushing Kanna I guess the lim is going to be between Kanna and Patch

[bewolkt]

Feel free to go for it. I was going to tell you myself. If Kanna is resisting to end the day with us today you can always win tomorrow

[bewolkt]

What do you think about Kanna? It’s making me nervous that she’s not saying anything openly. Do you think she’ll go for me or it was a play?

[bewolkt]

Feel free if you feel it would be better to eliminate me and then you try to finish things tomorrow

[bewolkt]

I meant if you think she’ll vote with me or it is just a play to out you

[bewolkt]

I meant if you think she’ll vote with me or it is just a play to out you

[bewolkt]

Are you here? We can lim Dragon/Mala

[bewolkt]

I will go to sleep a bit since I don't know when you'll be here. I'll connect again a bit before than 10PM EST and we can vote then if you're around. I would leave my vote since I don't think it will be suspicious but I'm afraid patch can get scared. In any case don't place your vote without me.

At worst if he retracts this will make you conftown for everyone

[bewolkt]

Are you here now?

[bewolkt]

I’ll connect again in 4 hours