Mini Normal 2299 | ModPT

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Graveyard:

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@furtive, feel free to chance your color to whatever you like in the rules.

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playerlist:

Dr Easy Bake
Emperor flippyNips
Flavor Leaf
DragonEater70
KittyTacky
Hu Tao
Theta Alpine
Alianna
Doctor Drew
redFF
Deltabreedy
Mewtaph
The Bulge

roles:

Unstoppable...
Ninja...
Traitor...

JK
Watcher
TA...
multi Finder...
odd/even Finder...
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT

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rand:

VT
Traitor...
multi Finder...
Unstoppable...
TA...
Ninja...
VT
Watcher
odd/even Finder...
JK
VT
VT
VT

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role assignments:

Dr Easy Bake --> VT
Emperor flippyNips --> Traitor
Flavor Leaf --> multi Find
DragonEater70 --> Unstoppable
KittyTacky --> TA
Hu Tao --> Ninja
Theta Alpine --> VT
Alianna -->Watch
Doctor Drew --> odd/even Find
redFF --> JK
Deltabreedy --> VT
Mewtaph --> VT
The Bulge --> VT

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Spoiler: role PMs

VT : Dr Easy Bake, Theta Alpine Deltabreedy Mewtaph The Bulge

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Mini Normal 2299![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Villager[/color][/b].

You have no passive abilities.

You have no active abilities.

You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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odd/even Find: Doctor Drew

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Village even-nights Enabler-Finder odd-nights Informed-Finder[/color][/b].

You have no passive abilities.

You have the following active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]even-nights Enabler-Finder[/i] — each even-numbered Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is an Enabler. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
[*] [i]odd-nights Informed-Finder[/i] — each odd-numbered Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is an Informed. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
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You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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multi Find: Flavor Leaf

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Village multitasking 2-shots Tracker-Finder 2-shots Finder-Finder[/color][/b].

You have the following passive abilities:[list]
[*] [i]multitasking[/i] — you may perform any number of actions each phase.
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You have the following active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]2-shots Tracker-Finder[/i] — each Night, but only twice during the game, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a Tracker. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
[*] [i]2-shots Finder-Finder[/i] — each Night, but only twice during the game, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is a Finder. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
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You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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JK: RedFF

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Village Jailkeeper[/color][/b].

You have no passive abilities.

You have the following active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Jailkeeper[/i] — each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will be protected from kills that night, but all their actions will be blocked that night.
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You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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Watch: Alianna

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Village Watcher[/color][/b].

You have no passive abilities.

You have the following active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Watcher[/i] — each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn which other players targeted that player that Night. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
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You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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TA: KittyTacky

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=green]Village Informed TrafficAnalyst[/color][/b].

You have the following passive abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Informed[/i] — you know the following sentences to be true about the setup:[list]
[*]There is a player with the role of Traitor.
[*]There is a player with the lazy modifier.
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You have the following active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]TrafficAnalyst[/i] — each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
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You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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Unstoppable: DragonEater70

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=red]Werewolf Jailkeeper-Enabler disloyal Unstoppable[/color][/b].

You know that the Wolves' faction is composed of you, XXX and a Traitor. You do not know who the Traitor is.

You have the following factional abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Wolf chat[/i] — you can talk with the other members of the Wolves' faction at any time [here]
[*] [i]Wolf kill[/i] — each night, if no other member of the Wolves' faction use this ability, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.
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You have the following nonfactional passive abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Jailkeeper-Enabler[/i] — when you die, the role "Jailkeeper" will cease to function for all players.
[*] [i]disloyal Unstoppable[/i] — killing actions performed by you that target a player who does not belong to your faction cannot be blocked in any way (they may still be caused to fail by effects that prevent targeting entirely, like Commuter).
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You have no nonfactional active abilities. 

You win when at least one member of the Wolves' faction is alive and all members of the Village's faction are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role, or by posting the same in the Wolves' PT.
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Ninja: Hu Tao

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=red]Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja[/color][/b].

You know that the Wolves' faction is composed of you, XXX and a Traitor. You do not know who the Traitor is.

You have the following factional abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Wolf chat[/i] — you can talk with the other members of the Wolves' faction at any time [here]
[*] [i]Wolf kill[/i] — each night, if no other member of the Wolves' faction use this ability, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.
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You have the following nonfactional passive abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Watcher-Enabler[/i] — when you die, the role "Watcher" will cease to function for all players.
[*] [i]Ninja[/i] — actions performed by you are not visible to action-investigative roles.
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You have no nonfactional active abilities. 

You win when at least one member of the Wolves' faction is alive and all members of the Village's faction are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role, or by posting the same in the Wolves' PT.
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Traitor: Emperor flippyNips

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[center][b][color=#663399]Welcome to Game![/color][/b][/center]

You are a [b][color=red]TrafficAnalyst-Enabler Bulletproof Tracker lazy Traitor[/color][/b].

You know that the Wolves' faction is composed of you, XXX and YYY, but they don't know your identity.

You no factional abilities.

You have the following nonfactional passive abilities:[list]
[*] [i]TrafficAnalyst-Enabler[/i] — when you die, the role "TrafficAnalyst" will cease to function for all players.
[*] [i]Bulletproof[/i] — you are protected from killing actions that target you.
[*] [i]lazy Traitor[/i] — when you are the only living player not aligned with the Village, you gain access to the Wolves' factional PT and to the Wolves' factional nightkill. When there are no living members of the Wolves' faction with access to the Wolves' factional nightkill, you are endgamed.
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You have the following nonfactional active abilities:[list]
[*] [i]Tracker[/i] — each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn who that player targeted that night. If this actions fails, you will get a "No result" PM.
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You win when at least one member of the Wolves' faction is alive and all members of the Village's faction are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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Spoiler: Result PMs

Watcher

You discover that XXX was targeted by A, B and C.

You discover that XXX wasn't targeted by anyone other than you.

Your Watcher action failed and you get no result.

TrafficAnalyst

You discover that XXX is able to communicate privately.

You discover that XXX is not able to communicate privately.

Your TrafficAnalyst action failed and you get no result.

X-Finder

You discover that XXX is an X.

You discover that XXX is not an X.

Your X-Finder action failed and you get no result.

Tracker

You discover that XXX targeted YYY.

You discover that XXX didn't target anyone.

You discover that XXX targeted YYY and ZZZ.

Your Tracker action failed and you get no result.

lazy Traitor becoming full Wolf

You are the last Werewolf alive.

You gain the following factional abilities:

• Wolf chat
  — you can talk with the other members of the Wolves' faction at any time [here]
  
• Wolf kill
  — each night, if no other member of the Wolves' faction use this ability, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.

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All pms sent

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Hi

I've put a placeholder #123456 color in the rules for you, but feel free to put whatever you like instead; you should have mod priviledges over the thread.

Now the weird thing is Drew read the PM some hours ago but didn't confirm yet, idk what's that about

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He evan actually got the weirdest one probably

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Sent a prod to Dragon

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Enchants replaces Dragon

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That the mech talk went toward talking Traitors before the Traitor, the Wolves or the Informed TA even said anything is quite hilarious. I can see that looking as an actual slip by Drew when the existence of a Traitor will become apparent, that would be quite funny

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Sent a prod to DEB

Replacing DEB

bristep replaces DEB

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Sent a prod to redFF.

Sent a second prod to redFF.

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Sent a prod to EfN

Replacing EfN...

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Wow, this game is absolutely plagued with prods/reps. Wonder if the concomitance with TM is partially to blame

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@furtive, do you think we should consider replacing Enchant, at least if he doesn't post more in 24h from his prod (which was at 21:26 GMT)? On one hand I really don't want to have to replace the same slot twice in a Day; on the other he's blatantly prod dodging.

redFF also is but I want to be a bit more lenient since they're sick

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In the end, I decided to just give out a warning (also to The Bulge) that I'm not accepting prodges for future prods

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So, I've sent 11 prods already if I counted right. Maybe I should lengthen the prod timer? I though 36+24 was fine, but peraphs it should be brought to 48+36 given the rythm of the game idk

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FLIPS

Day 1:

Mewtaph,

Villager

, with 2 wolves on wagon.

Night 1:

The Bulge,

Villager

, slain by a Ninja.

Day 2:

Enchant,

JK-Enabler Unstoppable

, with 1 wolf on wagon.

Night 2:

Flavor Leaf,

Finder-of-all-Trades

, slain by a Ninja.

Day 3:

Hu Tao,

Watcher-Enabler Ninja

, with 0 wolves on wagon.

Night 3:

KittyTacky,

Informed TrafficAnalyst

, tracereously shot.

Day 4:

bristep123,

Villager

, with 1 wolf on wagon.

Night 4:

redFF,

Jailkeeper

, tracereously shot.

ACTIONS

Night 1:

• red
  JAILS Delta --> ok
  
• Alianna
  WATCHES Drew --> sees FL and EfN
  
• FL
  TK-FINDS Drew --> not a TK
  
• FL
  FINDER-FINDS Bulge --> not a Finder
  
• Drew
  INF-FINDS FL --> not an Informed
  
• KT
  T.ANALIZES Theta --> can't comm
  
• EfN
  TRACKS Drew --> targets FL
  
• HT
  NINJA KILLS Bulge --> Bulge dies.

Night 2:

• FL
  TK-FINDS Hu Tao --> not a TK
  
• FL
  FINDER-FINDS bristep123 --> not a Finder
  
• Alianna
  watches FL --> nobody!
  
• KT
  T.ANALIZES Delta --> can't comm
  
• Drew
  ENA-FINDS KT --> not an Enabler
  
• EfN
  TRACKS Drew --> targets KT
  
• HT
  NINJA KILLS FL --> FL dies.

Night 3:

• KT
  T.ANALIZES Drew --> can't comm
  
• Drew
  INF-FINDS Alianna --> not an Informed
  
• EfN
  SHOOTS KT --> KT dies.

Night 4:

• Drew
  ENA-FINDS Theta --> not an Enabler
  
• EfN
  SHOOTS red --> red dies.

N.B.: using #AAFF00 instead of green since green on azure is hard to read

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N1 fast night requests (2/12):
Theta, Alianna

N2 fast night requests (3/10):
Theta, EfN, Alianna

N3 fast night requests (5/8):
Alianna, Theta, KT, EfN, Delta

N4 fast night requests (4/6):
Alianna, Theta, Drew, EfN

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Result PMS for N1:

Alianna

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You discover that Doctor Drew was targeted by Emperor flippyNips and Flavor Leaf.
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Flavor Leaf

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You discover that Doctor Drew is not a Tracker.

You discover that The Bulge is not a Finder.
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Doctor Drew

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You discover that Flavor Leaf is not an Informed.
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KittyTacky

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You discover that Theta Alpine is not able to communicate privately.
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Emperor flippyNips

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You discover that Doctor Drew targeted Flavor Leaf.
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The Bulge

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You died during the night.

You can keep following the game in the Graveyard [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=90869]here[/url].

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...Interesting strategy by FL here. Since there is a Watcher, this can go very badly...

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I also just noticed that the spoiler I gave in the graveyard matches up perfectly with what FL is claiming, despite that being completely false, lol

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I targeted Bulge with investigative action.

Next?

Wth is Echant doing?

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I believe it.

How? Who would ever put 2 Watchers in a mini lol

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Empty quote just for the notification

For the record, I have pulled this Watcher gambit at least 2 other times as town, and neither time was I a real Watcher.

You can see my clear thought process with why I chose now to play with it with the perfect Voyeur action, and low page count Day 1.

If I end up going today, there is 100% scum in the people who went against it, there always is. It's probably not every person, and oddly, I think Delta is town, he's just fun to mess with. Totally backwards on a lot of analysis, though.


The Doctor Drew Tracker-Finder claim was legit.

My other 2 actions are Finder-Finder, which I hinted at earlier, and a Follower action.

@furtive, serious question. Is this (specifically the

underlined

part) a game-compromising trust-tell?
I did check; it's true the FL did this gambit twice and was town both times:

I’m a Weak watcher, I targeted Amrun, and I got a guilty on 2 people last night.

Not gonna lie, I’m pretty pissed about that night kill.

But it makes sense.

Which is why this next part is gonna be fun.

I’m an odd night watcher. 2 people targeted Profii last night.

I am disappoint. Very disappointed.

The second time they did, they also specifically remarked how the other time they did they were indeed town:

Yeah, I’m not watcher.

I was waiting for Gamma to do something, tbh. I’ve done this exact gambit before, [...]

and in the spec thread of an unrelated game, they specifically remarked they would peraphs intend to use the same gambit again someday, thus indicating that doing so could be construed as a pattern:

Yeah, next time I do the watcher gambit anyways.
[...]

So one could argue that doing this specific gambit is a town!FL pattern, which obviously is fine except that here FL is specifically drawing attention to that fact, even implicitly encouraging others to dig their post history to verify as much.

Is this a trust tell or I'm just paranoid?

UPDATE: implo sais it's fine, moving on

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Yeah, I don't know either. Maybe I could ask Implo since it's a normal?

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So Alianna is gonna really hate this setup. I can tell by how she replied to the result PM with a tableflip emoticon

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Funny how Kitty is taking for certain tht a N2 no comms means no groupscum and nobody is objecting. In fact nobody at all is left able to communicte...

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Did everyone forget thr game exists? :/

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Maybe I guess, thou in truth there is no overlap at all between this game's playerlist and TM's playerlist, other than Drew

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Prodding EfN.

It's the 3rd prod. I'm going to start looking for a replacement if they haven't come back before I wake up.

Returned

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Prodding redFF, it's the 3rd.

Starting to look for a replacement now.

Returned

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Can someone clarify where the assumption of a traitor has come from?

even before someone revealed that it was confirmed

enchant flipped with disloyal unstoppable and no active non-factional abilities
there is exactly one situation where this makes sense to have
if you will be targeting someone with your factional kill who is the same alignment as you and who has protection

in normals there is only one setup satisfying this without an assumption of purposely targeting a teammate you are aware of
and that is to have a bulletproof traitor

funny thing is that there technically is another manner to meaningfully put disloyal on an unstoppable other than the traitor being bp... and would be there existing a traitor and a jailkeeper

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@furt, if someone hammers Hu in the next ~8 hours and you happen to be online, could you please do the final VC for D3, lock the thread and start the night? I won't be online for this time and I would rather the thread be locked fast if Hu dies, otherwise I fear they may just start complimenting the Village for their victory (since they don't know the Traitor is lazy) and idk if that could break the game.

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Thanks;
I'm back

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I feel like it makes most sense to kill kitty. Either way I’m chopped and screwed but to give myself any chance is that. I know DD has some kind of targeting ability which is probably coming for me tonight anyway. But who knows.

Eh, Kitty is essentially a Visitor now. And evidently so; I'm half-suspecting EfN may not have understood KT's roleclaim clearly

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Hu Tao was executed! They were a

Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja

.

Role PM:

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini Normal 2299!

You are a

Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja

.

You know that the Wolves' faction is composed of [REDACTED].

You have the following factional abilities:

• Wolf chat
  — you can talk with the other members of the Wolves' faction at any time [REDACTED].
  
• Wolf kill
  — each night, if no other member of the Wolves' faction use this ability, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.

You have the following nonfactional passive abilities:

• Watcher-Enabler
  — when you die, the role "Watcher" will cease to function for all players.
  
• Ninja
  — actions performed by you are not visible to action-investigative roles.

You have no nonfactional active abilities.

You win when at least one member of the Wolves' faction is alive and all members of the Village's faction are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is located here.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role, or by posting the same in the Wolves' PT.

Mod put this in with the sole purpose of trolling me.
I’m Watcher. Not sure if it’s beneficial to reveal my info yet, especially if we’re massclaiming.

:/
That wasn't my intention. I really hope Alianna's not

too

bitter over it

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EfN should really get here to claim asap, otherwise they're 100% the lim for today...

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I’m a two shot tracker. I followed Dd night 1 and 2

Wonder if claiming two-shot

lazy

Tracker would've been better. It would be confirmedly lazy, since nobody would've cc, and there would be very little point in putting a lazy mafioso with no default multitasking

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On further thought, claiming lazy may not have been a good idea since by F3 it would become apparent that the Traitor had to be lazy, I don't think there's any other normal mechanism that would allow a sole, non-enabled, Traitor to not be endgamed

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This probably won't happend but I'm really hoping this goes to F3 ngl. It would be interesting to see if the thread explodes if it becomes obvious that only one wolf remains