Conception | Erased Realm

[Rautherdir]

I'm not sure what possessed me to try to emulate my town meta this game, I really should have known better then to do so. Stuff like claiming my role early, repeating the fake theory about benediction over and over...

I'll continue to watch and see what happens from the sidelines, and hope my partner somehow manages to pull through despite my lapse of judgement.

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There was more I had to say to my partner like... actually mentioning not to shoot Hell Froze Over cause of what I said to Malediction and a plan for the night actions, but yeah. No posting after main thread locked, I know better then to do so even if I still have access.

[Rautherdir]

There was more I had to say to my partner like... actually mentioning not to shoot Hell Froze Over cause of what I said to Malediction and a plan for the night actions, but yeah. No posting after main thread locked, I know better then to do so even if I still have access.

Spoiler:

Coincidentally, Malediction thinks you already plannned to not target the IC.
So they're going to shoot.
(Luckily, they still haven't figured out who the last Benediction is.)

Spoiler:

I mean, I knew I had the chance to outright say what Benediction wasn't going to do. Still need to kill town and making sure we don't overlap shots is good for that goal, and it means it gives me one shot of controlling Malediction into not hitting Benediction guaranteed if they want to play effectively.

[Rautherdir]

I think my partner is in a good spot. This play has been oddly like my alt's scum play I guess, I more or less self-destructed and outed myself but made it much harder for my partner to be found in the process I think. Up to them at this point, so...
I really shouldn't have passed off the benediction talk as a gambit though, that was a mistake on my part.

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Oh. I remain alone then. Ah well.

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Hmm, so did my partner just... not make any actions or what happened there?

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Oh. Huh. Well then. Not sure if that's the right play, but uh... we'll see I suppose.

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Ooh nevermind I realize the reason for it now.

Spoiler:

If Malediction has a roleblock that they used, they might now think that they landed on Benediction last night. Otherwise, they will be under the impression that one of them got hit by the Auspice, and that the kill failed for other reasons.

Also I'm delighted to see how my statements at the end are having a bit of chaos.

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Also, it was in my interest to say Benediction wasn't killing Hell Froze Over even if Benediction didn't have a night kill at all. The statement was to control Malediction's shot away from Benediction for that night.

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Oh yeah and another question.

Spoiler:

Is Abnegation Malediction or how would their role interact with Invoke Auspices?

[Rautherdir]

Mmh, fair enough. I would have gotten the wrong idea from that result in game, but fortunately that's no longer a concern.

And heh, at least there might be some benefits to me playing to my town meta this game...

Spoiler:

Feysal isn't looking as towny anymore, and I wonder when people will remember that I was the one that argued for abnegation being kept around as a miller...

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Spoiler:

I wonder if I should have explained the auspices publicly or not... hmm.

Edit: Fixed Tag ~Narration

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Ack. Welp. That wasn't much of a spoiler anyways, so.

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Hmmmm maybe I should have explained it better... but ah well. Less information is probably still okay.

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Actually I think explaining the

Auspices

would have only harmed Malediction with me already on the chopping block. Not that I had the most time to get an explanation out.
Well.
It would have slightly harmed Benediction as well but not sure what the impact of that would be...

It would confirm people it was used on as not benediction unless I lied and said it could self-target...

Though that's also the current state of thinking, so.

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And yeah, I think if I'd done the smart thing and played a bit more... sanely from the start of this game then this would have been a scum-sided game. Though I don't know for sure what all is in play yet. Not sure what the odds are right now with what did go down.

No one has any serious suspicions of my partner yet it looks like and what attention they are getting seems right now to be likely to make them look even more like Invocation.

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I should have perhaps not revealed my alt until after this game was over, though I haven't actually announced who my alt is either outside of changing my signature on both accounts to point at each other. Flavor Leaf knew my alt though at least at one point, and they might realize something about the current thoughts on who my partner is from my alt's scumplay. Not that I think that wagon is going to shift even with extra insight like that.

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Welp. Welcome Kamaii, you actually had a somewhat good role, if hard to use. Not sure how long you would have survived though even with good play if you continued making vacuums, hitting scum with that could get bad if they figure out you can do it repeatedly...

Now for town to be confused at your flip actually being blue.

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Well. Wonder how that happened... Welcome Aisa. An interesting role to be fair.

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Spoiler:

I'm guessing Malediction changed targets then from what Narration has said. Benediction needs to start making kills though.

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To be fair they also partially match abnegations name as well.

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On the one hand, as long as both factions are around town still has a chance. On the other... Not sure how much longer that'll be the case, and not sure what the odds are that my partner would get found by town.

Which actually. Narration,

what happened to Malediction's Auspices last night

?

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Town's best play might be to mass claim, might not. Not sure what roles scum has, and like my role wasn't... exactly the most scummy in and of itself.

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I have about as much idea of who Malediction is as town does right now though. A few pretty good guesses but nothing solid.

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Furtive that reason for loverising... I'm not sure if they're too scummy to be scum now.

I'm not going to comment on the read on Abne cause I am informed on that matter.

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Should town choose to kill Furtive/Enchant then... it'd confirm IceDragon one way or the other.

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Actually, town should not kill Furtive or Enchant today. Enchant's claim if true means their next night will get them a town/not town result.

p-edit:
Well then. That's uh.... oh dear.

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Which actually. Narration,

what happened to Malediction's Auspices last night

?

Spoiler:

They chose not to use it because of Abnegation's claim.
In part, because they didn't want Abnegation cleared from being Benediction.

Spoiler:

Wait... what? Couldn't they just target the Auspices somewhere besides- Oh. They thought Abnegation was Benediction then. Still think, probably.

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Spoiler:

Malediction wants to get Abnegation eliminated today then I take it, and town's best play is to force Malediction to shoot there again.

Edited a word due to site policy change ~Narration

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... Not sure if that last post needed a spoiler or not, but. Mmh that gives me a bit more insight on things.
Also if IceDragon is actually scum then uh... that might be very bad for town.

And for Benediction, cause that's something my partner wouldn't be able to anticipate I don't think.

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And I mean yeah, but forcing scum to make shots is good. It gets into WIFOM though, but I don't think scum can afford to let Enchant get another result with it being guaranteed town/not-town.

... also uh.... Narration,

do cops and such get what target they hit, or no

?

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... Not sure why I put that question in a spoiler.

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@Feysal, post 589 is actually weird because you are hammering a person you allegedly believe is town, and prior to that you were actively avoiding their wagon at a time when a lot of evodence against them existed. I don't see it as any sort of defense.
What I am more interested in is who do you think is scum here? And what are your thoughts on FlavorLeaf and ActionDan?

I mean to be fair I said I'd self-hammer if Feysal didn't do it, so. (I wouldn't have actually done so cause scum, but. Was still a claimed action on my part. That would have been a !!fun!! day of being conf-scum though if that had happened.)

Not to mention having a flip day one is just... better then not having one in nearly all situations. Even if you think it's on town. (Like I was)

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Yup... I'm starting to get very worried about IceDragon being false cleared.

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An Enchant replacement would get the previous actions/results of their slot hopefully...

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They are running up on time and it is getting close to being a very bad spot for town if they elim the wrong person.

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Very worried that Enchant has lost the game for town with that mistake.

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Spoiler:

Hugir might be right though, if Ice is Malediction then town cannot be expected to win without them.

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I mean it'd also be a loss for Benediction probably if Ice is Malediction.

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(Also I am still in my playing as town mindset)

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I would find it incredibly odd if in such a setup some essentialy scum power was wasted into some neighbourhood

I mean you say that but I was a checker

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The miller cannot be cleared

Meanwhile Enchant: Has a power that can prove the miller's claimed role

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No one even brought up that I was the one that kept saying to keep Abnegation around even though they were miller.

Ah well.

Preemptively welcoming Abnegation into here, welcome to the dead party (It is quiet) ((Also Enchant might have lost the game for town))

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Oh hey we have flavor now at day ends/starts. Very nice.

Also in other news. Enchant's mistake might be rectified depending on what Benediction/Malediction end up doing.

My partner's current plan is to kill IceDragon

[Rautherdir]

Town is probably lost though anyways depending on what happens tonight.

Could be up to three kills tonight. Or as few as 0.

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I am not feeling good about Benediction's chances either though. Best I can hope for is the game ending up in a situation where town have to pick between Malediction and Benediction winning I think, and not sure how likely we are to get into that situation.

p-edit
It happens to most everyone, and to be fair.
The lack of Benediction kills with you being roleblocked was very damning.
And I think Malediction thought you were Benediction and very much wanted a lynch on Benediction instead of trying to kill Benediction at night. For reasons.

The scum factions cannot outright kill each other, only poison which can be removed through a mechanic if two are left.

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I meannn maybe. Maybe not.

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It is not a guaranteed loss for town right now.

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I mean, there's a claimed redirector, that can throw all sorts of wrenches into scum's plans.

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Yeah most everything I said at the twilight of day 1 there was either true in some sense or an assumption on the game state on my part.

I feel like maybe I should have explained more but ah well.

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Anyways the really important thing that might fuck town over is that Enchant messed up and stated the wrong day 1 target.

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They targeted Flavor Leaf's slot day 1, not IceDragon.

Which. Is potentially a really bad mistake to make.

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Or, night 1. So yeah. Me and Aisa have been freaking out about the implications of that.

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I mean best case scenario yeah, they're both Invocation anyways and it was just a misclear.

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Yuppp
I mean Enchant is probably dead regardless so it wouldn't cause a mislynch there

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... miselimination

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Phone posting why you be that way

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I guess I should add mislim to my phone's vocabulary aaaa

That'd be two unaccounted for redirects on night 1 though in town's mind which uh. Yeahhhh.

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Spoiler:

Okay good IceDragon is actually town then. Well, I say good, but. Good for town, maybe not for me.

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... I wonder if my partner figured out Malediction then.

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I was already partially spoiled by nature of being informed. Though multiball so. I only know my partner.

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And I also know what factional abilities the scum teams have probably.

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Fun and tense. I have also been left guessing about who Malediction is for a while.

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I mean yeah, I haven't outright spoiled much myself.

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...Surely "spoils everyone's alignment" would tell you stuff

It narrowed it down to a pool of suspects without telling us exactly who the the scum teams are.

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It's not a very large pool, though, so it is practically telling where scum are.

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Spoiler:

Coincidentally, that pool might very well become the list of alive players come day start.

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I mean, any guesses as to who my partner is?

Spoiler: Does effectively say who my partner is

If their planned actions go through with their intended results happening, town will likely be picking between Benediction and Malediction for the winner tomorrow.

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Oh yeah I guess it isn't a very large pool at all for who it could be. Well, let's see what the day start shows... (And who else ends up in here)

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Oh huh wonder what happened there... Town definitely has a shot then with only one death happening.

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Yeah honestly not sure why The Keeper has survived as long as they did.

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Me: goes out saying someone was probably malediction.
Town: Yeah let's just ignore that.

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I mean my reasons weren't good, but.

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Welp okay then. That solves that day's elimination.

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Spoiler:

Oddly enough I think this event actually improved my chances of winning a lot.

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Town actually still has a chance to win.

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Assuming everything ActionDan has said post-reveal is true, then if two or three town die tonight with no scum deaths then town ends up in a kingmaker situation picking between Malediction and Benediction next day. A no elimination would likely hand Benediction the win due to Malediction losing their targeting manipulation role and Hugir who is claimed to be green still having it (Assuming Hugir knows who Malediction is and Malediction shoots that night)

Spoiler:

Having said that, not everything ActionDan said is true. Either that, or Malediction and Benediction weren't entirely symmetrical.

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I would like to ask the mod though...

What happened to Benediction's Auspices last night

?

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I mean, more obviously, ActionDan's claim about the night kill does not exactly line up with what I said about killing not being the goal of finding the other scum team, but death would still be the outcome.

Anyways since we're in the endgame now anyways, have most everything I had about the setup in here so you know what's going on if you want. Or more of what is going on.

Spoiler: Reveals my partner directly along with some other mechanics. Really just a lot of information I was keeping secret about the setup spoiled here.

This was due to Benediction having a redirector in Hugir (And for some reason despite saying what I did I didn't think about that property being symmetrical in some way until ActionDan revealed his actual role), thus finding the other scum team means we can control both kills, and also more obviously if it had ever happened, our night kill if it landed on Malediction would result in an Announced Poison instead of death. I assume any Malediction night kill that lands on Benediction results in the same, due to Benediction's Auspices having the ability to cleanse poison along with Announcing Not-Malediction if it was targeted on Invocation or Benediction (Annoying cause then we can't 'save' Malediction if we accidentally hit them when they're down to one. Or much more worrying for me, Hugir can't use Malediction's Auspices to save himself if he gets hit). Having said that, a Benediction night kill that lands on Benediction results in death, and I assume the same for Malediction's night kill.

Invocation can still win if Hugir or the final Malediction gets hit by a night kill and poisoned tonight. Given that the lovers are both town and Hugir is a redirector who is able to control the other night kill, this

should

be very difficult not to happen. Unfortunately for me.... Hugir's Auspices on Flavor Leaf last night have resulted in nothing for some reason or other, leading Hugir to think Flavor Leaf is the final Malediction, and thus Hugir will likely not be actually controlling Malediction's night kill tonight.

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... Also does no one realize ActionDan isn't even hammered yet?

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OH YEAH

Another mechanic I forgot to mention.

Spoiler:

If both Malediction and Benediction target the same person with Auspices, neither Auspice functions.
I say this because apparently my partner thought this also applied to the factional night kill based on what they just said in the vacuum.

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Checking again...
oh it's four to hammer

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.... Yup, that was a hammer. Preemptively welcoming ActionDan then.

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I looked at a votecount to see how many to hammer.
The problem: I looked at the day end votecount instead of the day start one on the same page

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Mmh depending on the last Malediction's role then draw is no longer possible. (Redirector will endgame most hostile scum roles before a draw is reached.)

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FLAVOR LEAF WHAT...

I should expect this to be honest.

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I'm just going to die a bit more inside and uh... wait to see what results from this. And also wait to see what the mod's reply to my question is...

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Hugir got it first, fortunately...

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WIFOM layered on WIFOM....

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Town seems very confused. Dead peeps seem confused. Scum is probably confused (Or dying)

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Fair enough.

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And thus the long twilight continues...

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Welcome.

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What happened to Benediction's Auspices last night

?

Spoiler:

They targeted the same player as Malediction.
They also redirected AD to furtive, unknowingly causing the intended Malediction NK to deflect from furtive to IceDragon.
(For the reason why only the first target was redirected, refer to 136.)

Oh wonderful. Very wonderful. Aaaaaa well we'll see what happens tonight.

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Wellll

Spoiler:

They currently think Flavor Leaf is Malediction last I saw. Though yeah, probably a shot at Enchant or Furtive.

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That-

Spoiler:

Furtive did not full claim. And uh. Okay then. That... is going to put town in a very interesting position.

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If people believe Hugir is Benediction they

might

kill him

Which with the cluster of events that happened yesterday... i could see not happening

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And yup, like I suspected
They want red out first.

Chances are pretty even across the board actually. Though Malediction is at a disadvantage due to... well, town wanting to hunt them out first.

Benediction does need to realize that they want a mislim here though in order to guarantee a win. And also needs to know who the proper Malediction is.

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Huh, and everyone thinks the kills are still coming from redscum. Interesting....

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My partner has deemed this game state the worst they could have ended up in.

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My partner's auspice last night didn't get a result...

Spoiler:

It was targeted on Feysal...

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My partner is also very confused about it unfortunately, but. We'll see.

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They know they have something about the game state wrong. They haven't figured out what yet.

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The only way for town to win in this state I think is for scum to get eliminated here and then winning a 2-1. Or for scum to cross-hit each other during the night.

It is actually decently possible for a draw here apparently, since a 0-1-1 will apparently end in a draw.

Fixed wording ~Narration

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Well, a plan has been made... now to see how it results

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... Actually no. What actually makes sense, properly mirrored roles?

Spoiler:

Green redirector + checker, and red Deflector + Fruit vendor. A role that can mess with targeting, and one that can check targeting.

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Yeahhhh and if you'd given scum conftown status it could have ended the game for town then and there unless scum cross-killed.
Fortunately that didn't happen.

Spoiler:

Having said that, no one is suspecting who I think the actual malediction member is, so. I think town is in fact well and lost.

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To win my partner needs greenscum dead today. If not they want to vote on a draw. Which I support to avoid kingmaker situation

This... is actually the best way to find malediction today, is the thing. If town all refuse to vote up Hugir (Who was the claimed green scum you made) then red scum has to either give up on getting Hugir eliminated (And very potentially lose if Hugir is green scum) or... make it very obvious who they are.

Fixed wording ~Narration

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BUT
It depends on where they are in the lim order

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ALSO AAAAA
LIM. I need to say lim. whyyyy

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Maybe I should just start typing out elimination, that is a lot harder to mess up. Just going to be a while of disassociation of that word for me.

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Anyways. If scum are high in the lim order, then they might actually want a miselimination here and force a kingmaker probably. Otherwise they just get voted up on the last day since there is a clear majority.

Really just depends on if they want to leave it up to town or if they want to try and survive a 3p endgame.

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Hugir claimed a role that is very dangerous to at least one scum team, so faking a guilty on them isn't outside the realm of possibility in multiball. Invocation Hugir or Benediction Hugir are both very dangerous for Malediction.

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Well, we'll see what ends up happening.

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Thanks. That's... that's a rule I might accidentally break a few times before I fully disassociate the word from the meaning I'm used to using it in.
Really I should just.. read through my posts before I send them. Which I should be doing anyways cause this game showed how uh... unwise it can be for me to not filter things. I mean it almost worked, but.

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Welp, I'll accept my loss. I played really badly day 1 and Hugir ended up in a bad spot.

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Nothing FL has said this game day makes any sense tbf

I'm going to guess, that Flavor Leaf is buddying up with Feysal for reasons.
So uh. Invocation, yup.

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I'm going to guess this game ends in an Invocation win.

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Hugir needed a miselimination here in order to win. Malediction probably did as well, cause I think Flavor now knows who they are, and has likely shared info with The Keeper privately already.

Fixed wording ~Narration

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Yeahhh

Unfortunately if you think about it it is... really obvious from the setup.
This game was a game for scum to fake claim.

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Is Issac good and lamb bad? Or the reverse

i think reverse? Keeper told me in PT that they thought that Feysal was scum.

That actually kind of tracks based on my understanding of TBoI. But... it wouldn't be immediately obvious which way around it is for someone not familiar with that game. So I think Keeper is intentionally being obscure about their read to get a reaction from Feysal and Furtive.

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Every ability the scum have had, have had a counterpart

So, so very close.

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Propagation would give confirmation.

Hmmm wasn't there an actual role with the name Confirmation?
Anyways I'm kind of rooting for invocation here but wow. This is just... hard to watch.

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I am aware, was meant to be a bit of a joke.

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Propagation, looking back at the PM... actually... hmmm...

Hmmm indeed

Like are you just trying to get furtive to come to the conclusion on his own or what

I feel like this F3 is really difficult. I hope spec chat isn't yelling about how obvious it is

Those of us who are spoilered kind of are.

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I mean I'm rooting for town
But that might be a consequence of me having been in town mindset for all of my time alive in this game

I will say Malediction played a good game. Still annoyed about them selling Hugir out but. It kind of made sense to do.

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Oh welp that's game as soon as Feysal returns.

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Keeper why did you focus on Furtive aaaaaa

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I mean I lost either way, so.

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Welp. Cross vote by town. Only chance left would have been for Keeper to vote Feysal there and maybe convince Furtive. Good game Malediction.