Team Mafia 2023 Open: Neighborhood

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I FUCKIN KNEW YOU WERE GONNA PICK NEIGHBOURISER

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I nearly went for it myself but i picked JK in the end

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What are you thinking with the townflips? One thing we talked about overnight was that imag might be town too bc of the wagon comp being basically the same as rad

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But we didn’t discuss the staeg townflip yet, and the ceph townflip is kinda immaterial here — well maybe not, I need to look at his reads, but I suspect that was a vig shot

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I FUCKIN KNEW YOU WERE GONNA PICK NEIGHBOURISER

i opened this hood like first thing as i woke up (yes it's almost noon shut up) and my first thought was "wait... i'm the neighbourizer...?"

before realising that it is just my good friend mena trolling me

DATISI IT WAS A GAMBIT WHY DID YOU NOT GO WITH IT

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Jingle told me to claim JK or something to you here and then I was gonna add someone scummy on N2 and then potentially CC a scummy JK claim where you could then back me up that I was neighbouriser

Idk, I’m not 100% sure how it was meant to work, but it sounded both cool and fun when jingle was describing it lol

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Also did you not notice the crumbs where I was telling you I was gonna neighbourise you

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Mmm, i was assuming that staeg was a vig shot bc he was being wagoned so much but now I’m having doubts bc of draft order

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oh my god i forgot, implo changed the pyp neighbours to be like the normal variant so now a gambit actually makes sense

i'm so stupid sorry

lol ur okay it’s fine im not crying because I couldn’t do my gambit it’s just raining indoors

Also did you not notice the crumbs where I was telling you I was gonna neighbourise you

is it all "hurr durr i'll tell you later"? i wasn't thinking about neighbourizer crumbs bc why would anyone crumb that lol

Well, no, but that was what I was alluding to there — the bit where I was talking about 892 was basically me trying to tell you not to PGO me if you had that lmao

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I also just woke up lmao

I guess my initial thought was that it was ceph bc he was v much in my nullscum reads and that’s where a good vig should shoot

And then I remembered that staeg had been wagoned and figured that was the vig shot but didn’t write that bit down

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Also no spam tf out of it I wouldn’t expect anything less

Ps i May not be around that much until weds, parents are visiting me and so idk when I’ll have time to play or not

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I think we should keep hood hidden for now tbh, yea

Idk who to add tomorrow night but wanted to talk about that with you, my team, and to hear what your team thinks too

I like to solve in hood bc it lets me run ideas off someone without influencing their main thread behaviour if that makes sense?

So for example I’m actually a bit paranoid about Bella atm but don’t wanna bring it up in thread yet in case she then modified her behaviour

But I need to consider what, if anything, the staeg townflip changes alongside the rad townflip

I thought bella’s reasons for staeg > imag were really p weak and I didn’t like one of the posts where she was responding to my questions

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Money is nice but I feel you on the introvert time

My parents being here visiting is great but also man I kinda wish I could have had a day to just be on my own in the last like month lol

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My team is still thinking ali is basically town for sure

PB isn’t able to follow as closely and I’d put a lot of weight on his opinion

But yeah, Bella is to look at

Have you played with gimli before? What do you think of him?

Also current take on Mith?

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cursory glance at vote counts - assuming i'm not wrong on you (i'm not wrong on you, right?? right?????)

This is encouraging, your lack of any paranoia was starting to make me a bit paranoid lol

I know this is mostly joke-y too tho, I think, I think I’m unfortunately a lot more polarised than I used to be between town and scum, I just struggle so hard to sustain effort as scum

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Koba specifically thinks that the EoD for ali is really clearing from how e reacted to ythan

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I could see mara maybe being scum, the huge lack of activity does worry me

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Or like mara being scum if imag scum, I mean

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cursory glance at vote counts - assuming i'm not wrong on you (i'm not wrong on you, right?? right?????)

This is encouraging, your lack of any paranoia was starting to make me a bit paranoid lol

I know this is mostly joke-y too tho, I think, I think I’m unfortunately a lot more polarised than I used to be between town and scum, I just struggle so hard to sustain effort as scum

it's kinda jokey because like. i dunno. my thoughts on this game are very scrambled right now, and my current ways of reading you are gonna be reading how much effort/thought you put in the main thread, and how nuanced your thoughts are gonna be here.

so i think i'm just gonna be taking everything you say here at face value and seeing where it leads us. that's how i played when i was lover with guiltylion in a dance game, and i managed to get to a correct read on him, so

I think I’m just going to be trying to trust my initial read as valid and not get too paranoid lol

Although in elo, if we get there, I guess I’ll have to do my due diligence on everyone as always

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Koba specifically thinks that the EoD for ali is really clearing from how e reacted to ythan

did they say why? i don't see what's supposed to be Really Clearing there

Thinks that e reacted as e would more as someone who genuinely believes that ythan is throwing than as someone faking that

Thinks that the claim of what e went for was also towny worried about dying vibes and not having got/given any good info for town to continue to work off

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I’m personally less convinced by the first point (I think that’s within Ali’s scumrange) but I think the second point is actually quite convincing

Plus my entire team is telling me that ali is super polarised between town and scum and all three think this is more like er towngame

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I think ceph and rad might’ve lol

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I’ll have to go back and look

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Ali was down for it over imag or rad too I think

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Nah, i think Mith is town and there’s nothing that’s really made me change my mind on that, I’m very solid on that read and think he’s basically part of my locktown group today (you, ali, mith)

I’d quite happily kill gimli and I kinda think he’s scumposting today but haven’t been able to fully concentrate on what he’s been saying today yet

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I might vote imag but koba is really pushing for gimli in our teamchat

Is your team following the game btw?

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Btw we think we know what role than is, but do you have an idea on that?

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I’d quite happily kill gimli and I kinda think he’s scumposting today but haven’t been able to fully concentrate on what he’s been saying today yet

i utterly hate the shit he's saying today but i'm like, unsure if it's because it's just objectively trash or because i'm an omgusser

if you wanna wagon gimli with me, i am happy to vote there

Koba and jingle have actually swung back to lld being the best option for today, idk what you think about that

I think our second choice would be gimli yeah

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I might vote imag but koba is really pushing for gimli in our teamchat

Is your team following the game btw?

they haven't said much other than when i asked them for some specifics

i can ask for their thoughts if you're interested

I was just curious, I feel like not many people in our game seem to be using the team aspect a lot besides me who is maybe overusing it lol

Like the only person who really comes to mind is Bella who’s using klick

Btw we think we know what role than is, but do you have an idea on that?

i have An Idea, yes

Okay well we think he’s cop, is that the same idea you had? I can explain why but as I gave our guess first I think it’s fair if you share logic first

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ooooooof, i still think she's town, why?

also slow replies about to play phasmo

About to take dog to vet so uh

Similar sitch yeah

It’s related to the thinking ythan is cop thing, from my understanding of what they’re saying

Ive been in company of parents and still am so haven’t been able to properly concentrated just skimmed what they’ve said in discord

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lol yeah, i was thinking cop too, but mostly bc cop seemed like the role that's most likely to get grabbed early twice, like i know a game of pypss that i modded where that happened

Okay so our logic is that staeg was refusing to claim, and that makes sense if he picked ascetic cop and knew that if he outed as VT then scum would potentially know that ythan was not only PR but also couldn’t be doc’d if staeg could be pinned down on what he went for

They’re actually thinking that it’s actually plausible that both lld and ythan are scum

I’m not sure I fully understand why yet myself lol so you’re gonna have to give me a sec before I report back with more details

But I remember jingle going on about how lld is terrified of mech guilties/clears and so if ythan were selecting for scum then she’d probably be pressured by lld to go for something like that to deny it to town

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Jingle’s latest suggestion was lld -> imag if imag doesn’t save again tomorrow night and also doesn’t die

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Prob will be around tonight btw but doing daytrip with my fam

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day trip was really nice, thank! we went to a small city called Segovia and wandered around and looked at things and I ate a delicious strawberry tart and then delicious arepas

successful day

what's the bad vibes on Ali v mith? actually don't tell me yet, I wanna read myself and see if we're seeing the same thing

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what were jingle's d1 townreads, i can't find them

I will grab these from discord shortly once I can turn off the zoom call I have up for my class

bella stonks are dropping

does this mean she's going up or down in reads?

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But I remember jingle going on about how lld is terrified of mech guilties/clears and so if ythan were selecting for scum then she’d probably be pressured by lld to go for something like that to deny it to town

ehhh, i believe lld is scared of mech results, but i don't think she's the only one. like i think most scum players who have a teammate in the first spot would at least have a thought about how their buddy should maybe take the cop to deny it to town, i don't think that'd be especially unique to scum-lld

okay, I mean any mech results can be scary as scum, but I think there's no player in this game who believes as much in their scumgame's social side as much as lld does, and therefore it makes sense that she's more afraid of being guilted by someone in a way that ends her definitively than she is of going to war with anyone who's trying to case or wagon her. I think this is the idea behind what jingle was getting at and that for that reason she's comparatively more likely to prioritise killing town!PRs and less likely to kill players for thread control (whereas I would normally do reverse, I'm less scared of being caught by a PR normally vs having to spend days in a war against someone who's going to be a huge pain in the ass when I'm scum)

now i'm thinking, and assuming we're correct about ythan being cop...

ythan does not seem like she's trying to soft any sort of results?

obviously i'm not gonna say this in thread because lmao if i'm wrong about it, but it is A Bit Odd

yeah, especially bc if she had been RB'd then she should be yelling about imag being scum, and.. isn't

only other possibility is I think if she was JK'd? which, I guess maybe? but potentially blocking the top PR slot is also bad play from a JK which seems unlikely to happen here given that teams would advise on the PR use and it wouldn't be possible (or way less likely) for one bad decision to get through

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dats i stg if you're scum after the posts on page 109 or 110 I'm gonna kill u

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I'm like halfway through page 110 on catchup

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Jingle reads from the 20th of April:

Ali
Ythan
Bella
Dats
Rad

Staeg
Mara

Lld
Gimli
Imag

Null on ceph and Mith

Then on the 21st he gave this:

Ythan
Ali

Bella
Mith
Ceph

Dats
Mara

Staeg
Lld
Rad

Gimli

Imag

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ythan can't have been blocked or jked as cop bc cop is ascetic

also i just woke up and i'm skipping class again wee, time to have the first coffee of the day

Oh shit yeh good point I forgot ascetic isn’t only for doc

Did I just townslip, wow

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dats i stg if you're scum after the posts on page 109 or 110 I'm gonna kill u

all my posts are amazing obv, but which ones do you have in mind here

The bits where you’re talking about how murdering BP claims is a good idea bc town should obviously choose cop and also the bit where you point out how the Mith language thing is probably indicative of Mith town if anything at all bc of how unconvincing it is to anyone

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talking about how murdering BP claims is a good idea bc town should obviously choose cop

why is this town-indicative for me in your humble opinion

Because I am town and I was mindmelding with it

does this mean she's going up or down in reads?

that meant she was going down

i think it was about her "ythan is scum bc no active scum bc staeg didn't go through" which i found to be backwards thinking as i have explained in thread like 3 times at this point

Yah but I didn’t get to that bit properly yet so be patient w me

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I’m just a lil guy

I’m just a tired lil birthday guy

You wouldn’t bully me for asking redundant questions on my birthday would u

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Okay hear me out here

Imag/bella + 1

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Okay so i want to the only thing that’s holding me back is that did imag just townslip or is that really easy to fake and I’m reading too much into it??

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I also think that Bella was one of the people resistant to imag yesterday but open to rad which is potentially scummy and partner indicative but we need to flip imag to know that

If imag is town too then we’ve been hard wrong since D1 and the game needs a big re-eval

If imag is scum then I think someone who was resisting the wagon on him but okay with either staeg or rad is scum too and that puts us in a good spot

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Incidentally koba now thinks you may have been right on klick all along lmao

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Koba thinks that imag/bella/ythan a possibility maybe subbing in gimli for one

But I kinda think ythan’s approach to this is town? Idk, I believe the way she’s approaching the game and being pissed off and burned out after a fight and just being like “fuck you I’m gonna play how I want” is mostly a town reaction?

So I’m actually wondering about like imag/bella/mara where maybe gimli could go in if I’m wrong

Gimli im personally undecided on and koba and jingle disagree, jingle thinks prob town koba thinks good odds of scum but not top pick

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Okay so i want to the only thing that’s holding me back is that did imag just townslip or is that really easy to fake and I’m reading too much into it??

where

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what was i gonna say

oh yeah, who were the people that voted not-imag, marashu and alisae...

i think if imag!scum, there's 1-2 scum in bella/mara (easy mode), maybe scum in mith/ali (hard mode), alternatively someone i'm missing rn but hopefully game levels out via prs or something? what are ythan/gimli associates with imag? meh we do that after flip

And Bella! She didn’t vote rad but she unvoted and was previously on staeg

Idk I’m starting to think a poe of (imag/Bella/mara/gimli) is very possibly winning

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But I kinda think ythan’s approach to this is town? Idk, I believe the way she’s approaching the game and being pissed off and burned out after a fight and just being like “fuck you I’m gonna play how I want” is mostly a town reaction?

maybe, i am definitely not confident on her being scum or anytihng (reminder that i still have to check some games but it's 2:17 i'm studying for 2 tests at the same time it's not happening now - to my vague memory she was pretty useless there as scum)

Like I think the votes on her are more from not playing than from actually being scummy?

I don’t think it’s impossible she’s scum but also like… idk if she’s invested enough in mafia overall anyway as a past time to fight lld like that on d1 when they’re RL friends when she’s scum

I sorta think they both need to be or neither is

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Okay so i want to the only thing that’s holding me back is that did imag just townslip or is that really easy to fake and I’m reading too much into it??

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out of all things that aren't townslips, this one isn't a townslip the most

Okay I’m down to vote imag then

Most recently I hate the mass claim suggestion

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Lmao I’m sure nobody would have noticed that

Uh

Should we be talking in the main thread tho? Idk I like talking here I’m kinda sad we have to add someone tomorrow

I mean I guess technically not but kinda

Who would you want atp btw? I know I technically have final say but I view it as a collaborative process and I’d like to add someone we could both vibe with

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I was wondering about Mith tbh

I had considered ali but I sorta think given Ali’s read on me this game I don’t really want this thread to become er demanding I convince em I’m town

And I also figured you might not be keen after the interactions from D1

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Maybe run it by your team too? I’m gonna ask jingle and koba their ideas as well

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I’m going to say now that I’m not adding anyone you expressly don’t want me to add because I want to win but I also want to have fun and honestly despite how busy I am having a PT with you is easily like tripling the fun of the game

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And that’s playing to wincon bc it keeps me engaged yadda yadda cannot-ban-me-for-my-previous-statement-disclaimer

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Essentially — we’re choosing anyone else we add (kinda want to add someone as a hedge on one of us dying if nothing else) together and you have a veto on anyone you really don’t want here

Cool?

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I’m going to say now that I’m not adding anyone you expressly don’t want me to add because I want to win but I also want to have fun and honestly despite how busy I am having a PT with you is easily like tripling the fun of the game

awww

but yeah agreed, if it weren't for this pt i think i would've said mean words in this game already

Am v glad to hear that the hood has also been positive experience for you and that has helped a bit with some of the general mafia frustrations

Honestly feel that we’ve kinda been slacking given we’re not at like 15 pages yet

Essentially — we’re choosing anyone else we add (kinda want to add someone as a hedge on one of us dying if nothing else) together and you have a veto on anyone you really don’t want here

Cool?

i'm not too worried about one of us dying and thus the hood being unproven because it's not like the hood means anything (alignment wise) in the first place

but yeah i agree with that

I could see one of us dying if imag scum? But also the nice thing is that if there’s doubt on either of us and the other has died then if there’s a third person they could corroborate any reads given by the one who died during the night post-flip

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I wonder if there’s any cool non-cryptographic code shit we could do

Idk if it would be that helpful but could be kinda fun

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idk i think we could just point at how little we've been talking w each other on d2

I was gonna explain that by saying we finally got the telepathic link working and so we didn’t need to bc we merged consciousnesses

Also koba independently brought up Mith as a good add lol but I’m okay to also keep it to the two of us if you prefer that

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I was gonna explain that by saying we finally got the telepathic link working and so we didn’t need to bc we merged consciousnesses

only took us what, 4 years?

Honestly that’s pretty good when you think about it?

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“as much fun as it is to shitpost with you, a dog never howls at the same moon twice”

I have no idea what it means either, but it feels right (did I mention it’s also 3am here)

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okay hear me out here

I think I'm gonna give reads where Bella is still high in my list bc idk what gimli/ythan are gonna do (if they're town) and we need votes to get imag through

so I think the easiest way to do that is to try and make Bella bus by getting her to think she's the deepwolf who needs to stay in the towncore -- so we "sell" her on voting imag for instance and then tomorrow we can either go for mara (if you agree mara!scum -- my team aren't totally convinced, koba still thinks towny bc "pure" and jingle thinks absolutely PoE but not sold that mara!scum either) or Bella if she seems like the best option

but I think today is easier fi she still believes she's in the townbloc

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lmk when you see this bestie

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Huh weird this wouldn’t load on my laptop earlier

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1 2788 and 2806 are that.

Specifically, because the three wagons are all town the only point scum were at risk was when it was nearing deadline and people started mooting flashwagons on LLD, Gimli, mith, Cephrir, Menalque, Rad.

So that's where I think scum were most likely to have been directive to make sure it ended up on Rad rather than someone else who's scum.

2 And as mentioned, based on that I feel mith, Menalque, LLD, Datisi contains probably at least 2 of the three scum.

(1) that was it?

(2) ooh wait I have something for this!

the links are imag doing tvtvt analysis

i think i've already explained in thread why they're bullshit, because they're bullshit, but here is link if you wanna read yourself

I’m planning to take a look but uh, yeah I felt like those were pretty thin on the ground as analysis anyways and also if you’re looking down the barrel of a gun I just feel like you do… more… than that?

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I think I’m gonna float an imag/mara/gimli!slot team to keep Bella on side

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Huh weird it works on my phone but is broken on my laptop

Is there anything more to do this day? Like I don’t wanna rush but I’m also bored and I wanna kill imag

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Oh, right, replacement, I remembered literally immediately after hitting submit lol

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Yeah but I’d like to get their take bc gimli is a very unclear slot atm I think

So if they do good posting that would help a lot

If they do bad posting that would also help a lot esp if we are in a world where imag flips town

The whole point he’s making about giving him an extra day is vullshit right? Like that isn’t just me? Nobody else commented when I asked in main thread :’(

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You wanna make non-rule breaking bets on who’ll take the slot?

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Fair take

So… gambling?

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That seems unfair in a betting contest but I’m still kinda willing to roll with it

Also I probably need to read the rules on betting again first real quick lol

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Juuuuust to be safe

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Do you think anyone remembers that copy pasta?

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I think it’s time to bring copypastas back to mafiascum(dot)net

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Okay so I think so long as said bet isn’t game related we’re good because we’re just predicting who takes a slot

So the outcome wouldn’t actually impact our play within the game if that makes sense

Probably we could run it past implo to be safe

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oooh i see very good

Thank u

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Would it be too much to also ask thread how do we solve this game?

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i was checking this chat while playing phasmo and hiding in the closet, and the fucking ghost started hunting and opened the closet doors bc i wasn't holding them bc i was reading this chat and i almost died

wow that sounds bad dude I wouldn’t die to a ghost sounds no bueno

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anyway idk what kinda bet we'd be making and i don't have any ideas sowwy :<

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Okay what would you want in exchange for a stake of you drawing something?

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But who takes the slot is so like immaterial to the rest of the game

implo, if you read this, can you confirm?

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Now I shall eat my pizza in sadness

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My pizza is delicious and I’m just playing

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I’m also kinda high to be totally honest with you

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Coffee would have been a terrible idea yes

Also I feel like the correct answer was the latter but I feel like the answer that happened in reality may have been the former

I fell asleep because I was so tired lol

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okay good thing we didn't take bets because i would've lost LMAO, i didn't think andante reps in when graduation stuff

(out of curiosity, what kind of drawing did you have in mind for me losing the bet)

andante is... a player, definitely. i did read her correctly in the last game i played with her, but god knows i cannot work with her at all so we'll see i guess?

Lmao me too I thought it would be patch

Hmmm, honestly I didn’t have a concrete thing in mind re: the drawing, was probably gonna leave it up to you

Well it looks like if imag is scum andy is too as koba confirmed that she’ll pretty much never bus so her angling against Mith is terrible if imag is scum

I also find it hard to work with her as town, I think that we’ve played 2 games and she either tunnelled me in both or she tunnelled me as town and TR me when I was scum so, also don’t have the greatest faith in town!her’s ability to read me

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hey mena pls tell me this was a bus this was a bus right haha right andante would hammer a buddy right?

town andante would also hammer there right?

i don't feel well

Koba says that andy town if imag flips scum but I don’t want to totally discount the possibility of a bud bc of team mafia and how definitely dead imag seemed

Her team might have told her to break meta and bus there bc nobody would expect it and imag was unsaveable

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Imag writing a song instead of doing other shit seems like it could be +scum? But also felt like he’d just stop posting if scum so honestly no idea what to think until flip

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but why the fuck would scum andante enter the game saying "mith is scummy imag is doc claim i'm not killing doc claim" to then hammer a doc claim?

Koba knows andante well bc they’re both from the same community and she has bussed exactly once before apparently, when people were familiar with her meta and it was a deliberate break

So it’s not impossible but it is highly likely that she’s town if imag is scum

Idk mafia is hard lol

Probably I’d like to kill Bella next anyway and see what happens with ythan

It’s possible if imag scum that andy really is town and it’s just Bella +Maru or ythan

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Also koba thinks that if imag town then Andy is basically conf scum but I think if imag is town as well that means the whole game needs to be looked at again closely bc then all 3 wagons were on town d1 AND d2 we had a town wagon just sitting there all day

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nobody would expect

idk if anyone here was aware of "andante never busses" meta, especially considering mith started calling her scum for that hammer immediately

Tbf that team would never know

But koba obviously does and you seemingly do, so it’s if her team would know that the people on our teams would know and it all becomes a big horrible WIFOM thing

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*me staring at the name "implosion" at the bottom of index page*

Well, it’s locked now at least

I’m nearly arriving at a friend’s place to hang now btw but I’ll prob be on again later or if not then tomorrow

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The promise of flip is a siren song that will pull me back

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you seemingly do

i've seen scum!andante twice, one of those games i replaced out of 2 days after it started, so i don't know her bussing meta

Any of your team know?

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That’s what koba said tbf

They said that andy hammering like that is a scumclaim for her

Admittedly my trust in my teammates is a little lower now

Jingle is still insisting that imag is scum and implo has made a mistake lol

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uhh I'll see but not sure

think I'm seeing my gf after I finish work and how much time I have between classes is kinda dependent on how efficient I am at cleaning my room/the living room + terrace

do you have times when you're specifically free/not free?

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also leaning adding mith still probably if we add someone, idk if you have up to date thoughts on that

also thank u for the Andy!meta check from ur team

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Sup, I like the ythan plan, i think im gonna submit that

I am around-ish now as I take the metro home

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Okay I ran it past the team and they’re okay with it too

The idea is that if ythan joins us it’s a guilty, if not then it’s still not clearing but it’s at least a bit confused

Jingle says you should claim the result apparently

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Bc then if jk claims to have targeted you

We get two for free

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(We are assuming jk in team chat bc the rb slot was taken by town)

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Jingle says you should claim the result apparently

sorry can i get this more explicitly (i am v tired rn)

should i claim the guilty if she gets added? do i claim to be the neighbourizer or just that the hood exists and leave the neighoburizer part ambiguous?

on second thought, not sure if it matters since if ythan gets in here then she'll (and by extension the rest of the scumteam) will already know you're the neighbouri--

oh it just clicked what "if jk claims to have targeted you", if jk is scum and tries to save ythan!buddy from death by claiming to have blocked me--

wait no it didn't click that doesn't make sense if the hooding succeeds

what do you want me to do

Only if she doesn’t get added

You claim that you targeted ythan and she’s confirmed ascetic cop, whether that’s clearing or not is still up for debate (don’t even necessarily need to claim it immediately)

But then if someone says “oh but you couldn’t have added her anyway because I used my JK on you and that’s why she didn’t get added” then we can be like You Just Activated My Trap Card and boom

Ofc if she gets added scum have everything in the hood but so be it, I don’t think we have anything that helpful other than it reveals that I’m considering a Bella team which I was gonna out today anyway

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I am around-ish now as I take the metro home

i am around as well but i'm "attempting" to "study" and also have been sleeping very poorly the last two days (ever had a water pump break at 3 am and flood half of your utility room? not fun)

Oh my god no what??? That sounds awful I hope it’s all fixed now?

I have class v shortly but might be around again after bjj tonight if I’m not tired/decide to not get stoned

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Checked with implo and it’s up to date

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Okay don’t claim anything yet, koba thinks ythan is softing a guilty on andy

Which means, I think, probably exactly one scum between them?

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Koba has a PoE solve

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Can you guess?

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i'll be around at daystart, and since we're likely gonna be in MeLo, might be a good idea to do a massclaim anyway

i love claimswaps very fun

Dats jingle says we should still claimswap here

What role are you?

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Yes, gotcha

Ahhh im gonna say doctor because saying I went for RB would sound so scummy in main thread lmao

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Also yes, me N1, attempted ythan N2 but maybe don’t claim N2?

Let me check with jingle lol

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you're a coward

(<3)

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WAIT THEY DONT DO THE SHIFTY THING SNYMOFE

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Oh wait, saying that

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Okay, so jingle is saying not to claim the actions immediately

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Also r u not gonna guess at koba’s PoE solve

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Okay jingle now says to claim the targets but not whether they were successful or not

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Lol no lmao

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Wow u got like 1/3

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It’s Andy/Bella/Mith, koba isn’t a crazy person

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Idk what the fuck Ali’s problem is tbh

Lld i have been chill towards the entire game so if she wants to start this shit she can

I probably shouldn’t bite but it’s annoying af

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I’ve been saying I can see ali scum but koba is insisting ali is town and jingle and PB both say they’re out of date on the read but that e was town last time they looked

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ok phasmo time gl with the thread lole

Oh, I’m dipping too lol, fuck getting drawn into this

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One day you’ll want to play a game I can download

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<3 bestie

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mfw lld thinks you're not an effective choice, how fucking rude is that

also idg what her problem is with hooding ythan, like she strongly agreed with "whoever claims to take bp over cop is scum" like

lld is delusional so she can think whatever she likes

I feel like I have a handle on the type of person she is post-previous interaction and I no longer give any sort of fuck about her

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honestly I would be down to lim there or to lim Ali if my team weren't telling me that I'm wrong on those and I'm listening to them bc I know I have no idea how to read Ali, and idk if I can read lld or not bc we've barely ever played together (this is maybe our second game ever I think)

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<3 bestie

you motherfucker what does this mean

o I was just trolling you in main thread bc obviously we are aware this is untrue but you have to pretend like it might be true in main thread or we give the claimswap away teehee

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datisi are you paranoid about me at all here or not

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homie i was about to quote the high as balls post and ask whether you were still planning to do yout "in yeetlo i reeval everyone" but i wanted to read the rest of the thread first

is that a yes I'm currently kinda on my way to high as balls

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also lmao at claiming my RB pick

I couldn't help myself, it just felt wrong as I was writing in "doc" ya know

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homie i was about to quote the high as balls post and ask whether you were still planning to do yout "in yeetlo i reeval everyone" but i wanted to read the rest of the thread first

is that a yes I'm currently kinda on my way to high as balls

it's more of a question about what happened to that claim of re-evaling

oh, I did a logic

I figure the way you've played this game, if it were from scum you, I think would have been significantly played around me with the idea in mind to pocket me because I just really feel like we've been vibin in a way I think would be hard for either of us to sustain if scum and having to maintain a level of fakery all the time

so. maaaaaybe you could do that if you were really determined to, it doesn't auto-clear you but then my question becomes -- why? is the utility of scum!you pocketing me really worth all the additional effort/energy it would require vs just not doing that and having me probably townread you anyway or maybe scumread you but still unlikely to be confident enough to reaaaalllllly push you

with all that and then thinking Occam's, it seems a lot easier to me to say that the vibe comes from being chill and both just interacting normally and I think that makes you town

now I really hope that makes sense and doesn't only make sense to high me because I feel like I spent forever writing it

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full disclosure that did cross my mind while I was writing it and I almost tried to edit it because I was worried you would feel pretty much exactly the way you just said you did

but then I was high and was doubtful of my capacity to both edit and remain coherent

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my thing I hate is that I feel like you've been super chill and not paranoid at all really, and I definitely remember a time (mb even last time?) you absolutely duped me and that in

that

game I also had the thought "wow datisi is super chill and not paranoid this game hey. should I be paranoid about that? nah, I'm sure it's fiiiiiine *dies*"

so I'm just going with it the game

but so help me god if you're scum and you're EVER not paranoid toward me again in the future then you are BUSTED mister

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it's kind of hard to be paranoid of you nowdays when like... um no offense but have you seen your scumgame recently >_>

WUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH DATISI

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY THAT, I AM A SCUM GOD

A GOD OF SCUM

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Jesus I was not expecting to get this fuckin ripped tonight holy fuckballs

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lld, now you, what is going ooooooooooooon

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no tbf in the long explanation I left out I did put as an addendum to my team that "because there is no way datisi bothers to try to pocket me here as scum

and as town he isn't worried enough about my scumgame to be paranoid of me

2 years ago maaaaaaybe? but now no way" <-- paraphrased but you get the idea

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nooooooo i was joking!!

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don't feel bad!

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unless ur also fucking with me rn >.>

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no 252 was serious ahhhhh I'm confused too!!

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like I'm aware of how bad my scumgame is rn lol

I'm hoping I will find a way to not make it just super horrible and demotivating but for now it very much still is and I just don't think that even for TM I would've managed to be this consistent, especially not here and in main thread at the same time

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if you were scum with me here how scared would my avatar make you

like

it depends

tbh i do kinda think scum-you doesn't grab neighbourizer bc it's like

you either have to deal with me here

or you have to deal with me in the main thread for not adding me

this is actually a very good point. I think that in general (according to jingle) neighbouriser is a scummier role than 1shot voyeur bc the voyeur can give an actual mechanical result

but I think you're right that scum!me knowing I'd have to deal with you in one of those two ways definitely would pick voyeur

and so that for me, or at least specifically in a game with you, voyeur would be kind of a scumclaim lol

which is obv not saying that neighbouriser is clearing for me. just that I don't think I really ever take voyeur>neighbouriser as town

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but what if that's what you wANT ME TO THINK

ok i stop i go study a bit and then slepp pls yell at me if i post here again tonight

well I bet my last post was reaaaaal helpful for that!

go and just sleep and then study tomorrow! but if you do study then sleep that's cool too, you do you homie

also don't post here more, go, do one of those two above options! do it! grrr

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datisi! sleep!

or study -> sleep! but one!

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I am so proud, you did amazing

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I think they're just playing bad

lld could be scum still I think but after recent interactions that's clouded my read on her pretty heavily

what do you think of lld objectively? we now know that she was defending town!mara on D1 but she's been so low impact ever since idk what to think

problem is if either one is scum they have the other one deep pocketed

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I have no idea what to think of Andy's play from last night lol

I read that while I was waking up in bed and just spent the whole time being like "what the fuck, what the fuck is going on"

...is it possible to disable pedits? and she just genuinely wasn't seeing the comments about claiming?

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and then she reps out and can't explain lmao

I feel like the % play has probably gotta be limming Andy right?

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lld's been on my need to reeval list for a bit, bc like, defending mara was good ig esp with mara flipping green, but all the "these people aren't scum with lld" people have flipped green and that is somewhat of a problem for my read of lld you feel

we talked about this in our team chat but I think consensus was that mara!green was actually worse for lld than mara!red, but I need to check

I think the idea was that mara!green could be a white knight for lld to save for later if needed whereas if mara!red lld almost certainly would've hard bussed for the cred as she loves bussing apparently (or at least loves bussing if she perceives the buddy as weak or likely to die anyway)

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all the "these people aren't scum with lld" people have flipped green and that is somewhat of a problem for my read of lld you feel

not entirely tbh, I don't necessarily see the connection -- you mean from a team solving perspective, you had her as town bc you thought she couldn't be teamed with any of the people you thought were scum on previous days who then flipped town?

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it's not possible to disable pedits without a script, but ik some people click through them

i'm not sure andantes behaviour is AI for two reasons

i think if she's scum, she's either trueclaiming or there's been an extensive talk in the scum pt about what she should fakeclaim, in either case i don't see the stalling as a tactic that helps her

i think she's prone to replaceouts as either alignment if she's annoyed, i vaguely recall sntagonizing town!her as scum once and having her replace out of the game, tho o don't remember rn when that was

but i kind of think she's prob scum despite all that so lmao

why do you still think she's scum in spite of all that?

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but yeah, I agree it's prob not AI provided there's a reason that she could do it as scum and not only as town that's reasonably plausible

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all the "these people aren't scum with lld" people have flipped green and that is somewhat of a problem for my read of lld you feel

not entirely tbh, I don't necessarily see the connection -- you mean from a team solving perspective, you had her as town bc you thought she couldn't be teamed with any of the people you thought were scum on previous days who then flipped town?

yeah

i dread having to sort lld by her play in a vacuum

I feel like I have a handle on the kind of player she is (super ego driven, very controlling, willing to cross what I would consider lines of emotional manipulation to win) but the problem is that idk how to distinguish between any differences that exist in her townplay vs scumplay

team assured me on D1 that she is readable, they thought she'd bus but her having not been around (and sure, surgery, I get why) makes that much harder to use as a metric for reading her

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bc her hammer on the doc made no fucking sense and i think town andante would've had like SOME sort of coherent thought process there

also her posting today (other than claim bs) seemed like just pointless comments instead of like, any alignment takes at all

I feel like if we don't lim there and the slot is scum then we threw

even if the slot is somehow town I feel like it's similar to poker? like if you have a hand that you know wins 75% of the time vs what your opponent could have, the correct play is to always go all-in there even if you lose 25% of the time

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of course it's not as easy here to work out the actual probabilities but you get what I mean

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uh

I sorta stole your case in case Ali will listen to me

but I will obv give you credit once the neighbourhood is outed if you want

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we think there probably is a scum JK btw

I think mith probably should be limmed today if he's on balance more likely scum, unless there is a hard guilty on Andy

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because scum getting the extra kill if he is N3 vig is baaaaaad

I think we thought venge was better for scum, but mith is out of date enough to choose the vig option anyway

I don't think he's played like a venge though, I think he would've been more chilled about being limmed or played up being scummy a bit more if he were venge

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did I tell you that sometimes if I want a little chuckle I go through and read the flavour for your micro/mini normals

nah it's cool I'm gonna play a lil bit of Stardew Valley and then I have work stuff I should sort today so that tomorrow is easier

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because scum getting the extra kill if he is N3 vig is baaaaaad

i kind of don't really care about this if we flip scum today because it's probably good info?

but if we flip town then yeah LMAO

it's just GG unless there is a town JK who isn't claiming it in the massclaim

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it's not gg if we flip scum today i think?

I meant if we flip town it's gg, if we flip scum then even if they get two shots then it's 5p Elo -> 3p elo

did I tell you that sometimes if I want a little chuckle I go through and read the flavour for your micro/mini normals

nah it's cool I'm gonna play a lil bit of Stardew Valley and then I have work stuff I should sort today so that tomorrow is easier

i will let georgebailey know (once TM is over obv)

I would have expected nothing less

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Yo today is v v busy for me but I’ll try to talk here when possible

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How did the coming out go? I am hoping good!

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Apparently ythan is claiming clear on lld, or that’s what I heard from my team

And guilty on andy!slot

So that pretty definitely means either lld and ythan BOTH scum or neither is scum

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Also ythan apparently thinks the neighbouriser shots were ascetic fishing which kinda yes, I guess? But koba had a response that they wanted me to use but uh, I guess is for you seeing as you’re neighbouriser

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what were they

amd also uh at which point are we coming clean about the hood stuff

will try to find it in a second, hang on

also uh, never? the upside of the claimswap is that if someone outs as JK (unlikely atp) to claim having blocked you then we out it and boom, free scum

admittedly I'm not too sure what the utility is beyond that and probably now massclaim is over it's gone down a lot, but I don't really see the plus in outing it

let me check with jingle if there's any reason to continue to keep it quiet

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How did the coming out go? I am hoping good!

lol yeah it went great

i wasn't the first one and half the people kinda suspected it but yeah it was very good lmao

also -- good, I'm glad!!

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but lld can't be scum without Ythan which is depressing me because it means that her play both today and in general is from town

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that's probably the big question tbh

if Ythan/lld are scum together or not

Ythan has just felt super fucking towny all game (to me, team disagreed heavily at points) and has played cop... p much as I'd expect her to? like, low profile, changes approach towards lld totally after N1 (post-clear), then softs guilty on Andy!slot which was a good check for a cop to make on N2

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maybe it is just PoE of Bella/mith/jjh

my team are insisting that Ali is town

I'm locked on you being town

if Ythan + lld town then scum must be Bella/mith/jjh ??

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if Bella is the clear then actually lld/mith/jjh makes sense I think?

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i'm mulling it over

we know that ythan is 100% an ascetic cop and not BP

but like, what i just wrote in thread, lld said we're insta killing any BP and then she yelled at me for trying to find out if ythan is ascetic???

yes

wait, did ythan not yet confirm who's the clear?

also apparently not, I think when PB commented in discord it must've been his guesses to Ythan's question

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let's assume that ythan and lld are scum together

could this potentially be a gambit? i know you did it with your team in that schadd pyp

assuming it's not, then - if jjh does go down today, it's 3 scum 4 town going into night. BUT mith has a bullet and ythan is confscum. so mith always shoots ythan and scum always shoots mith

so it'd be final 5 of me/you/lld/ali/bella

which, hm, i'm not actually sure how that plays out

of course, if mith is scum n3 gun then they just win outright if they yeet jjh

brain is sieve, I honestly don't remember what we did in that schadd PyP - did I rep out of that one halfway? I know there's one where I was scum and enchant repped into my slot

don't we just lose either way if we lim jjh and jjh is town? 3 scum 4 town into night, 2 scum 3 town into day -- oh cool, we don't lose so long as mith is town there which I'm not sold on

I also don't think that scum HAS to kill mith there if they think he's wrong on reads or something

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i don't think ythan is townie at all

talk me through this? also I think it's possible that jjh could be tracker/JK slot and scum successfully guessed that Ythan was cop from the soft guilty

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no, it's because

if we misyeet today, then EITHER mith is town and shoots correctly, OR mafia wins

which means that if we end up living another day, it MUST mean that mith is town who shot scum, thus conftown, thus why would he be alive

(alternatively, there's a galaxy brain town jailkeeper but i doubt it)

I would keep conftown with bad reads alive over non-conftown with good reads going into 5p Elo

I think there are enough people like me that even a then-to-be conftown mith isn't a guaranteed shot from scum

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i don't think ythan is townie at all

talk me through this? also I think it's possible that jjh could be tracker/JK slot and scum successfully guessed that Ythan was cop from the soft guilty

she wasn't softing the lld result at all on d2
and she was playing the way where she was saying "lol kill me if you don't like how i'm playing"
claiming a guilty in yeetlo is risky because everyone would generally be thinking "what if this is the final gambit" so you gotta try to at least get some amount of towncred for people to actually believe you

and she was like, doing none of that? the only time she was actually engaging with the game was through titus

I think she softed it by the change in the interaction pattern but I'd need to look back

from how combative she was with her on D1, by D2 she's all support and trying to talk/engage etc, to me that fits a pattern of getting a clear. but like I say I need to check

I think there's something to that, but also I think sometimes town can get overly confident on their PR saving them? I can't remember which game it was but there was a game not toooooo long ago where I had a PR (think it was a large) and was counting on that to clear me especially as I'd crumbed it. it didn't, but I was expecting it to, so I didn't worry about not looking that townie up until the claim

so I can see her doing that too

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oh she did claim the result lol

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which also makes me think why the fuck is titus playing this "guess our results" game

I would like this answered tbf

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dats, what do you think of my latest thought in thread?

that it's either exactly mith/Bella/jjh

or exactly mith/lld/ythan

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okay so I had an overnight bus ride and I'm so tired that my brain is essentially not working

Koba's recent hype is that instead of it being mith, it's ythan/jjh/Bella but I still think that ythan claiming a guilty on a buddy and promptly not dying the next night is just really insanely dumb play for ythan!scum soooo

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if I have a bit of time later this afternoon before going out then I'll try to be on a bit but no guarantees

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it is my birthday i will likely not be on much today

Oh fuck belated happy birthday!!

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hey mena i know you have like, a life or whatever, which like i think is very cool and all

but pls come back at some point lmao i hate opening this game because it feels like whatever post i make gets ignored by literally everyone :3

I’ll be back post-holiday which is ending tomo!

Quoting this so u can see it

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Hi dats

My team thinks ali is scum with Bella and jjh lol

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mena can you pls read the interactions i had with lld and how she concluded i was scum and tell me whaz you think :3

I will, but the last post I had on lld recently was “she’s so wrong about literally everything that she must be town” lol (paraphrased despite quote marks)

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hey so about that coming back

I missed my bus lmaooooo

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Also, I’m gonna out the claimswap to see how lld reacts to it

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ok but have you considered that she's instead scum

I think this is possible-ish but overall I don't know her that well and so I'm deferring to my team's read who all have more experience and who are telling me she's town

like, to the point that Jingle wanted me to hood her and I told him there was no way in fucking hell I was doing that

now that there is one (1) person in the thread that doesn't constantly yell at me and call me scum i might even have some willingness to play the game

yay! but also -- bleak, sorry it's been that unpleasant the last few days :/

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okay, I'll grant you -- 3912, 3913, 3916 are terrible posts from lld as I'm catching up

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let me forward that to team and see if it makes any difference to their read

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oh, but maybe she means on N1 targeting me was to say a different thing after deciding a BP pick was a scumclaim? but it was only obvious ythan was cop after D2 started... so how would "checking" make sense there when she could have been any role

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I come back and then everyone disappears

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also i'm v proud of you for using affirming the consequent correctly

Thank u

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oh, but maybe she means on N1 targeting me was to say a different thing after deciding a BP pick was a scumclaim? but it was only obvious ythan was cop after D2 started... so how would "checking" make sense there when she could have been any role

i understand all these words separately

but in this order?

So as in — if she thought that the BP check thing should have been done N1 as a priority > hooding me

But it wasn’t clear if that was a good check to make because going into N1 there was no clear indication of what Ythan’s role was, it only became obv she was cop after staeg flipped at start of D2

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"hey if jjh flips green don't shoot the cop that guiltied him shoot the person that proved the cop's not ascetic"

also she has not commented at all about the roleswap weeeee

I think she did but somehow it makes you more scum > me?

But idk what her plan is for not being consistent there with saying I’m scum for targeting you

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okay, I'll grant you -- 3912, 3913, 3916 are terrible posts from lld as I'm catching up

do you see what i mean!! it's like she decided i was scum and then all of what i say is scum no matter what. even at one point where i said "ok but this makes sense from my pov" she was like "i agree but i don't care about your pov" but you just said it makes me scum what the fuuuuuuuck

I’m talking about this with my team but I still think jjh is just the correct flip for today matter what

Haven’t voted yet bc he might self hammer to cut off discussion if he is scum