Mini Normal 2303: Mafia PT

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Confirm Mafia Odd Neapolitan Even Alien

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What’s up Fire! How are you?

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Hopefully Katy is an alt.

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Because of Fire’s role am i not able to multitask?

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What’s up Fire! How are you?

excited to play mafia!!!!!!!!! hbu

Same. I’ve been gone for like over a year, but just recently came back for TM and decided to sign up for another one.

[ItalianoVD]

Have we played together before? I know your name but not sure if I’ve ever actually played with you.

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Gotcha. Yeah mechanics is definitely a weakness of mine, sorry lol

[ItalianoVD]

Have we played together before? I know your name but not sure if I’ve ever actually played with you.

ive read a few games that you've been in but we did play very briefly together in chromavalon

Oh okay, I just reread that game and it was kind of a weird game for me replacing into, I didn’t really have to do much since Nancy solved it I think Day 1.

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Gotcha. Yeah mechanics is definitely a weakness of mine, sorry lol

maybe katy is a mechanics prodigy

Let’s hope so.

[ItalianoVD]

im definitely planning to endgame here especially bc of my role

Is that common for you? Endgaming? If so, we should/could set you up to get a guilty on me to fully clear you, etc.

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I’m saying that because I do not endgame lol, so I will probably get limmed sooner rather than later.

[ItalianoVD]

Hey, I'm new to forum mafia but I played on sites like epicmafia as well as in person. I am having a little trouble parsing y'alls roles, but thankfully I am a lowly mafia goon.

As of right now if I understand it correctly you and Fire are pretty much goons, unless I die, in which Fire inherits my powers. I’m also a power role finder, so to speak, because if I target someone and they don’t return as “vanilla townie” then they have a power role of some sort.

Please correct me if this is wrong.

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katy since you're new here people are gonna be super forgiving as long as you can like vibe in the thread and post basic content. don't worry about roles or anything just pretend you're vanilla town

also get a pfp it makes you instantly cooler and more likeable and less likely to be eliminated by 12% scientifically proven

Facts. Especially if an anime girl. The cuter the better.

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Ah, I finally saw the word "backup" in your role Italiano.

I guess I'll talk to y'all a little about how I try to play mafia (I will probably send a similar message in the main thread later). Definitely it's going to be different in a slower game, but I try to avoid heuristics related to things like "Oh, this is scummy because town does this, or this is towny because of these interactions tend to go that way" simply because I don't have enough experience to say if something is scummy or towny? I guess this means sometimes I'm going with my gut or flying blind when trying to figure out who is town vs scum.

Thankfully, I don't have to do that this game. Generally as mafia I don't really try any crazy gambits or anything I just try to think like I am town and what I would do if I were town.

Looking forward to playing with y'all!

Same here. Always happy to play with new players and always hope the experience is great for them.

As for your play, that’s perfect, just be you and have fun.

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im bad at setup spec and rolehunting honestly, i only really focus on dayplay

Then we wil and are vibing because it’s the same for me. Personally I think dayplay trumps mechanics anyday. Mechgods would disagree but…

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Yeah. For balance I’d assume there is also an investigative and protective. You think?

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The more I think about it the more I think clearing you via guiltying me Fire is probably the best play to assure you endgame.

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How often do or have scum claimed masons together in game and has it worked? Just thinking out loud.

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Okay gotcha. I just wanna make sure you guys are setup to win because as I said I won’t endgame.

Yeah now that you mention I agree that the claim part might mess things up especially with Something_Smart playing. They’re a mech player.

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Of course. And I'm going to chill a bit to let the town catchup. Me being the top poster is weird and i don't like it lol.

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So I think I’ve successfully gated myself to Invisibility, so if/when I get faded, they will look at that slot very suspiciously.

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I guess we should talk about who to kill tonight. Who are you guys thinking?

My vote is for Hu Tao, Something Smart, or T3

I can Neapolitan Ausuka or Asri

Thoughts?

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I’m also not gonna interact with Ausuka at all, this way she will look more like my partner.

She’s been defending me all game, which is good for me and bad for her.

Asri posted a team of Ausuka/myself/Iamveryhappy as a possible scumteam.

Iamveryhappy thinks me and Invis are scum so that’s good. I’ve established at least two miselims for you guys should I get faded.

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Well not actually two because once they get the first miselim, if they do, they probably won’t keep going, but at least it’s in the gamestate.

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70

Sounds good

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You’ll both eventually have to turn on me. We’ll Fire has already shown to be able to scumread/vote for me, but Katy will have to do it more gradual and more realistic. Meaning you may have to townread me for a little bit and then have someone (Fire) guide you to scumread/vote for me.

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This is of course if the gamestate calls for it. If I can survive the day then who knows.

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I’m dead tired and will be back later.

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We should probably kill Asri tonight. Night kill analysis wouldnt point to any of us and it’s a good chance she is a pr.

I can Neapolitan on Ausuka or on someone you guys think is better.

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asri is a decent choice yea

i think they're currently an ally which i usually would like to keep around for a bit, but they are pretty townread and unlikely to be limmed at the moment

You make a good point about them being an ally so who do you think is a better choice?

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81 is great post and makes sense.

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a possible point of suspicion someone could use (i thought ausuka would call it out but if y'all want to first it'll get you townpoints for being insightful), katy feel free if you want to

is to say it feels a little scummy the way that i defended cook and called out ausuka in 684 right after black votes ausuka. you could argue that the timing seems convenient and it feels like im positioning myself on one side of the argument, especially after agreeing with black's suspicion of ausuka earlier. it's suspicious because i didn't directly push on ausuka until it had other people's support and that feels opportunistic

i think it would help you look town + distance us pretty well + give me some more room to work with in the game if i have more people scumreading me

I think Katy should do it, I’m pretty townread atm. Don’t want too much townie points though then they’ll ask why I’m not getting killed.

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I do still want some scummy mystery to me so I can last longer.

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i was just considering pivoting to you now that the pressure has died down lol

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ok this is great

italiano you have trajectory to continue on the side of asri since you liked their point about cook and black earlier

id say you should continue down that path

Yup. About to get home from work and will get on.

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What the fuck is going on right now? Asri is being really chaotic.

Yeah, they're even talking about policy limming them. I gotta defend that crazy lol.

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Sorry peeps, it's not a ploy or anything, work has really been taking a lot out of me and I can't really immerse myself the way I need to need to chill for a bit.

[ItalianoVD]

Good morning my peeps. How’s it going? Hope all is well with you guys. Appreciate you guys being patient with me.

It was a hectic workweek. So happy to be off for the next two days. I’ve rested, refreshed myself and pretty much back to normal. I’ve been keeping track off and on, but is there anything crucial I should know? Or how I should come in etc.

[ItalianoVD]

could be good to have some slightly spicy or outside the box takes here, so you feel independent and like you're proactively pushing your own reads and thoughts

Hmm sounds good. I was thinking that and trying to see what and/or how it could be received as coming natural. I’ll think if something.

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a possible point of suspicion someone could use (i thought ausuka would call it out but if y'all want to first it'll get you townpoints for being insightful), katy feel free if you want to

is to say it feels a little scummy the way that i defended cook and called out ausuka in 684 right after black votes ausuka. you could argue that the timing seems convenient and it feels like im positioning myself on one side of the argument, especially after agreeing with black's suspicion of ausuka earlier. it's suspicious because i didn't directly push on ausuka until it had other people's support and that feels opportunistic

i think it would help you look town + distance us pretty well + give me some more room to work with in the game if i have more people scumreading me

I think Katy should do it, I’m pretty townread atm. Don’t want too much townie points though then they’ll ask why I’m not getting killed.

Did Katy do this yet? If not, I'll do it. Need something to say about you Fire lol.

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Cool, cool. Yeah I was hoping it was decent enough.

And no doubt on the lurk. I feel that.

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This Cook claim is real, right?

More likely than not. She wouldn’t claim something so specific.

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it is super okay for us to lim cook today and lim italiano tomorrow btw so good job on this italiano

I try lol. But yeah we need to make sure Cook is the lim. Not good that Invis is voting me.

Maybe I can throw out the “vote Cook and if she isn’t scum then vote me out tomorrow.”

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Lol.

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Yeah probably, but sometimes I don’t trust town and votes can happen in succession very quickly and without explanation so…

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Is there a world where we lim cook and then keep Italiano around through D2? That would be awesome

Well logically (from the town’s perspective) I shouldn’t be limmed before Ausuka and Cook given that my claim looks more townie than theirs, so according to them I “should” be the last one to get limmed, which is good because two townies for the price of one scum is always a good trade.

That would put us at a 2/5 ratio with both of you setup really well for the endgame.

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i think no matter how this day goes we're in a good place for the rest of the game but the ideal is that ausuka or cook gets limmed here

Remember we still have all of our votes (3). Fire, you unvoting me gives you room to vote for Ausuka. Katy can use the “I’m sheeping Black” excuse. I’m already there.

I’m saying, we have the power to push it through so let’s not allow the town to dictate how it things go. There is still time, but if town is hemming and hawing then we need to be proactive.

Also for some reason people don’t believe scum would all vote on the same, especially for a townie and especially on Day 1. The general consensus is that it’s one on the main wagon and two off, so you guys should also be semi-cleared once I flip.

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Remember we still have all of our votes (3). Fire, you unvoting me gives you room to vote for Ausuka. Katy can use the “I’m sheeping Black” excuse. I’m already there.

We just need another townie to vote since I believe it’s only myself and Black voting there right now since Asri unvoted.

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Really reluctant to vote you here Italiano. Any ideas to make it convincing for me to vote for cook or ausuka?

I haven’t read the thread. What has happened regarding you. What have you said in regards to sheeting Black?

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*Sheeping. Stupid phone.

[ItalianoVD]

You don’t

have

to vote me. You can ask a couple more clarifying questions to Black and then “reluctantly” vote for Ausuka and say you are trusting Black.

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You especially don’t wanna vote me after your #1616 post where you say “you trust me more than Cook.”

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Lol oh wow we were thinking the same. I hadn’t even logged into this pt yet.

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with my vote sitting on hu tao i think italiano is less likely to happen, getting 7 there was barely viable anyway, which is why i was willing to let it get so close

Yeah it was perfectly executed.

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Wondering if there's a good way for me to push on Asri here.

Probably not today. You should keep it for tomorrow. If you do and I’m alive, I may join you on that.

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i have like 2 mins but just reminder that lim priority is cook > ausuka > hu tao

if cook lives we have to hope she doesn't check italiano bc he didn't trueclaim (or me lmao bc my role is 100% not a town role)

and if ausuka + cook live then cook may check ausuka and its harder to lim ausuka if her role is confirmed bc its a weird role for scum to have

Yeah I believe the gamestate will make Ausuka a reality.

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Nice nice. I was about to come back in and I saw it was hammer lol.

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that was wild

would've been cool if it landed on ausuka at the end there but we'll take it

really good d1 y'all, we created such a good gamestate for people to build false conclusions off of. you both played great

Yeah I agree. Very intense And very good day from all of us.

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I assume if Cook targets me she will get my full role correct?

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now to think about actions

ill be around later today to talk about thoughts on that

My thought is we kill Asri and Neapolitan Black.

I wonder what SS and Flower are thinking. Flower locktowned me for my claim, SS scumread me for it lol.

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That was a lot. I’m gonna use every bit of this night phase to refresh.

[ItalianoVD]

What’s up Sheep. This will be our official night actions submission if none of us get back. It may nor may not change.

Katy kill on Asri
Italiano Neapolitan on Black

I figured it’d be better to have Katy do the kill since Fire was more suspicious than he was so could potentially be watched or tracked, etc.

[ItalianoVD]

i think you probably claim blocked here tbh?

You think? Thoughts on how that could potentially go during the day.

[ItalianoVD]

Hold on hold on. What if we kill Black?

That could confuse right. It probably won’t do anything for Ausuka sus-wise (since it’d be too obvious) but it could maybe look bad for Cook or possibly Flower.

I don’t think a Black kill could/would point to us. What do you think? I just had the thought and was like huh. I wonder??

I don’t know if an Asri kill would point to anybody and it’d be too obvious for Invis so it’d be just a kill with little to no nka imo.

[ItalianoVD]

What’s up Sheep. This will be our official night actions submission if none of us get back. It may nor may not change.

Katy kill on Asri
Italiano Neapolitan on Black

I figured it’d be better to have Katy do the kill since Fire was more suspicious than he was so could potentially be watched or tracked, etc.

received that Katy kills asri + Italian nea's black

feel free to keep changing, bold would be helpful but is not necessary

Got it on the bold.

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When you guys get back let me know what you think about killing Black and Neapolitaning Something_Smart.

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mmm i don't really want to kill black bc dayplay wise ive been planning on having her around later in the game

Okay perfect say no more. So do we agree that Asri is the kill or do we still wanna go somewhere else?

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i think that it's believable scum has a roleblocker (you're prob gonna alien cook tomorrow, which extra proves it), and that they would block you since your result is a potential clear

Okay. Makes sense.

i think it is fairly possible that you get limmed today or tomorrow, and so it also probably isn't worth faking a clear when i don't think it will get you that much cred anyway and it will hurt our options for who is pushable

Yeah I most definitely will, so I’m with you there. We just have to make sure you guys get the most cred from my elimination. Don’t want it to be Black/Ausuka/Cook because then it’ll be harder to wrestle control from them especially if/once they start clearing each other.

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Just to reiterate what we’re doing Sheep

Katy kills Asri

Italiano neapolitans Black

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what do you think on cook being bulletproof

i sort of think that she isn't? its just such a weird thing to claim it. if you're really bulletproof then there's like very little reason to claim it

Yeah this is true. A town bulletproof is not gonna wanna reveal that part in hopes of getting the night kill. I guess we will have to see what happens.

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do you think it's believable that you'd neapolitan black here as town?

I would say so. I only ever gave a true read on Invis and Cook.

idr what your read was on her, you could argue that you weren't 100% sure on black and wanted to check bc she would be valuable to have as a clear (but then got blocked)

Yeah I think that’ll work especially if there is a watcher and if they watch me go to Black then they can see I’m telling the truth.

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I think it’s important we get ahead of today’s events and we don’t want the town to control everything. As I said before it’s a must that you and Katy get credit for killing me, and I’ve been thinking about it a lot.

What if you really hone in on the “me being blocked” and come up with a reason why you feel it’s a lie. Maybe even say why would I check Black and not you or something. Haven’t thought of the details, but I think it needs to be something. If you and/or Katy can think of something believable that y’all can push. I can then scum it up, etc.

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Maybe even piggyback on Something_Smart at the end of Day 1 where he stated that cop claims are almost always scum (paraphrasing)

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Fact of the matter I don’t think I’m making through the day, unless something outrageous happens.

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yeah we'll see how things develop, you should still push for yourself to live, do whatever you can. towns are fickle and weird and often elim people they shouldn't. but i will be on you early for sure

I was gonna claim that I was blocked, but given my terrible mechanics play, I probably wouldn’t have been able to fake it for that long lol, (not really knowing what’s the optimal setup/roles, etc.)

Flower is tunneled on Cook which is good for us. Happy is on Cook right now as well. If Flower can be the one who helps keep the gamestate on Cook it will definitely be a plus.

We’ll see how it goes, but yeah I think it’s best you are pushing me mechanically as well as what you used in Day 1. Flower may try to persuade you it’s Cook and not me. If he does, I’d say fight it for as long as seems genuinely possible and then reluctantly join the Cook wagon, but keep reiterating how much you think it’s me who is just “caught” scum.

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Gotcha.

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amazing world is if black targeted me, which she might have lol

I think she has as well, which is why I didn’t want you to do the kill.

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most likely we lim cook, shoot black? depends if there's still a watcher out there ig

but we probably lim you the next day regardless, although if a vig misses then we're in elo. they most likely shoot you tho

Yeah that sounds about right. As I said one scum for the price of two townies is always a great trade off.

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Hmm, maybe, maybe not. Should

I

be the one to combat you on Cook or wait for Flower to possibly do it.

And if so, what’s a good mech argument I could/should use?

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im actually sad that ausuka died and black is gonna die

i wanted a fun endgame

at least d1 was fun

Maybe you can run endgame with happy or T3 lol. Or maybe Invis.

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Seeing as we pretty much know what the roles are and what the roles are not, there

should

more than likely be a watcher.

I think it’d be pretty wacky having a backup watcher with no watcher, but I’ve seen weird things before.

I was once a town mailman enabler for a scum mailman so…

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Just throwing out some thoughts at the moment.

I think ratio is 3:7 right now. If we lim Cook and Black that’s 3:5. I likely die making it 2:4.

However if we lim Cook and kill Invis, then that’ll allow Black to still make end game, but it also is gonna put doubt in people’s minds that she might be scum. A point who and Katy could more than likely drive home for the win.

I doubt there’s a protective given we don’t have a Strongman, so I’m good with that.

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Basically if we think the Watcher (if there is one) is gonna be on Black, then the better play would be to not kill her, also for reasons I’ve already stated.

Invis or T3 would be the better play, especially if the vig is within that pool.

Doesn’t block come first before kill in NAR? So shouldn’t Alien outweigh the Vig’s shot should there be one?

So like:
Italiano Aliens Invis
Katy kills Invis

Or do I have that wrong?

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im p sure you can't both alien and kill bc then they're protected

Duh. That’s right. I dumbtelled so I’m town lol.

[ItalianoVD]

So like:
Italiano Aliens Invis
Katy kills Invis

Or do I have that wrong?

Actually it should be:

Alien Invis
Kill T3

[ItalianoVD]

Hey y’all I’ve been busy relaxing and spending time with the fam. Looks like the game has stalled lol.

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I think if we are able to lim Cook then it would make sense for the vig to vig me because if I was a vig I’d wanna make sure all the claimed roles get resolved fully by killing them all.

Again, it’s 3:7 at the moment. If Cook actually becomes a reality and we kill Black or whoever, the ratio is 3:5 and it’s elo. But the Vig will more than likely vig me then it’s 2:5 and not quite elo.

I’d prefer to stay alive at this point of the game at least one more day so once I die it is 2:4 and elo instead of 2:5 and not. In this gamestate I think it’d be much harder getting two miselims then just one imo.

On the flip side I think the only slight downside of keeping Black alive for one more day is that it’s possible you get some heat Fire. But that all gets negated if I’m still alive. If both me and Black survive the night, I can absorb any and all heat you could potentially incur.

This will allow you and Katy to kill me and possibly ride that wave to victory.

I think our concern or least my concern at the moment is the potential watcher. Yes there have been wacky setups but to have a backup watcher with no actual watcher is really the designers giving the game a middle finger imo. And if that is the case then I will say the same thing post game. But I just can’t shake it that there is.

And if there is a watcher as I said before, they could track you or Katy to Black and immediately mess up all our plans. However, if that watcher sees no one target Black, not only would you both be safe, but then I’d assume they get suspicious of Black for being alive especially knowing Cook was town.

There are two threats right now for me. The Watcher and the Vig. I think the Vig is the greater threat and should be dealt with simultaneously with not tipping off the Watcher with our night movements.

I think if we are taking a chance on something it should be not getting potentially watched for killing Black and going for the vig which I think is the greater threat of the two.

I don’t know I’ve been really thinking about vig and it’s been solidifying my mind on this for days now. Is there no one else we feel could logically have vigged Asri besides Invis? If not then good. If so we should reevaluate.

If Invis is the vig, we alien her and kill say T3.

I think we take a chance either way.

But with all that said if you guys feel comfortable as is then scratch all that I just said lol. I just realllyyy want y’all to be set and I wanna remove any and all obstacles that could prevent that.

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I also thought about bringing this up today but felt it would derail where we are and turn the heat unnecessarily to me.

That Flower and Something_Smart are scum partners and trying to elim their greatest threats via myself and Cook. The plan: they decide to take a side in the argument and heavily push that side. Flower for me and Something_Smart for Cook.

In this world me and Cook are town, they lim one and night kill the other. As I said I knew where it would go, but it honestly crossed my mind for a moment. Had I been universally townread, then maybe, but I just lol’d at how my mind legitimately works.

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Noting that I will follow your lead no matter what you decide.

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Hmmm. I really like 3 and in this I'd go for T3 or Invis. Hopefully the vig is here or doesn't scumread me.

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Even if I'm vigged, I really like our chances and I'm happy to have run scum with you both. I believe it was a great team effort and I would run scum with you both anytime. Appreciate the mech help Fire and happy to have set you guys up for the endgame knowing I wasn't gonna make it there. I know it's far from over, but I feel my time here has ended. I had lots of fun.

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Agree on 3. Not alien-ing is pretty good since there's basically no way we can be detected as mafia outside tracking or watching. Wondering the odds that Black gets watched? I think the chances of Black re-tracking fire is basically zero but she could track me since her opinion of me clearly went down last day.

Yup which is why it's so perfect that I do the kill.

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Italiano kills Invis

is in.

[ItalianoVD]

Cool beans. Well we’ll see what happens. If I survive then game will be 3:5. Again we’ll see what happens, but … should we try for the sweep?

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If I survive?

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Then I’ll kill the slot. No need going into the day wary of the replacement.

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I agree.

Aight sheep

Italiano kills Black/Klick

Yeah Klick is good. We don’t want him as an outsider.

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Sorry, not sorry Klick! :lol

[ItalianoVD]

?????????

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Vig ain’t doing there job.

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*their

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Let me know what you guys think about this?

Ugh, I really thought Cook was scum here. When I hit that spoiler button and saw green I just sunk my head and closed my browser. That sucked. I also was certain I was the vig shot because if I was the vig I would’ve definitely shot within the claimed players only. Even if the vig saw me as town, I still think I was the best shot.

But no one quick vote anyone please. Scum can coordinate a vote run up. I think we can salvage this. I said I was suspicious of Something_Smart for how he came at me with “odd night cop claims are never real” etc. What am I supposed to say to that, “yes they are.” I mean he already made up his mind. I thought for a little bit that he and Cook were partners then I realized it didn’t reallyy make sense, but now that I know Cook is town it makes sense that he was the potential scum in that pairing.

I don’t know for sure and I’m bummed that I was wrong about Cook, but that’s where I think I’ll be voting.

Tweaks?? Etc.

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I’m ready to be today’s lim, but I guess we will see what happy and Invis have to say.

3:4 instead of 3:5 is major advantage for us that we didn’t see coming at all.

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As a matter of fact no use in trying to salvage what I don’t have. Mechanically I’m caught, but I think I did pretty well on dayplay. It’s been real my peeps, as I said been great playing with y’all. Go get ‘em.

[ItalianoVD]

happy trusts you! for some reason

i think it wouldn't hurt to try to sow some doubt

I knew he didn’t “actually” trust me.

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you're not actually caught at all, the only case is that there's too many investigatives but that's pretty weak tbh

Eh, a purposeless fight imo. It would have taken more energy to keep up the charade. It’s okay.

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It's ok. I think we could have tried to sweep but maybe we would have given something away. I wonder if I should comment that there's probably another fake town PR besides italiano??

I agree. This game was heavily mechanical and the gamestate wouldn’t have allowed for me to pull the “the setup is wrong, I’m town really!” play successfully. I rethought and rethought multiple times about different scenarios, there just wasn’t a way for it to have been done.

Good thing is no spew. Fire was essentially cleared by Black and Katy has played well enough to not be looked at, especially if you both vote for me.

The culprits: Something_Smart, happy, Invis can be looked at as my “partners”.

We would have to decide who is the better one to keep in elo. Who would I be the most comfortable with ending the game for me: Something_Smart and Invis makes the most sense, but not sure what happy would say or what Invis would say about S_S or happy. It’s kinda tricky but we knew it wasn’t gonna be a complete sweep and massacre. There still is work to be done, but I am confident in you guys to get it done. It’s not official yet so I stay here as long as I can until I die to discuss plans with y’all.

[ItalianoVD]

Perfect. Invis did exactly what I was hoping they’d do.

I’ve hammered. It’s kinda weak but the timing between me and Invis voting looks coordinated.

Looks like Flower has planted the seed that they were “wrong” about you Katy. You guys can run with that tomorrow. Give the town what they want.

[ItalianoVD]

o7 well done this game italiano. We'll try to take it from here

I have no doubts.

Don’t wanna beat a dead horse lol but this is possibly one of my best experiences on a wolf team on site. We flowed very well and played off each other great. Look forward to see how it all plays out. Ciao. Italiano out.

[ItalianoVD]

Sorry I’m back lol.

I think we just go for happy here. Don’t want any shenanigans between Flower, S_S and a potential Watcher ruining everything. And Flower feels happy is the towniest between the three of Invis, Katy, happy so it tracks.

The town has locked you in as town Fire which is great.

It’d be between Katy and Invis and obviously going for Invis is the play.

[ItalianoVD]

It just doesn’t make sense why I wouldn’t have been the vig hit, especially since the sus was there from Day 1. Head scratcher.

[ItalianoVD]

happy is probably our lim we can't shoot him

invis is probably vig

Are you comfortable pushing there? I figured in a 2:3 happy would be harder to push than Invis.

[ItalianoVD]

No redactions here. All good.