[Purgatory] Weird Dreams Mafia

[Abnegation]

hi, are you scum?

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if you're town, then i don't think this should be too complicated. other than the whole game being complicated.
if you're scum, a thought popped into my head that we should probably approach this game like we're an informed 3p faction and go for the lover win. not that i know how to do that though.

[Abnegation]

Hi Alianna!
I understand you are a voidfiend, rightl? Is that like a mason?
Does your role PM flavor not aay what ny role is?

BTW, love the flavor image, Kori!

well it does, just wanted to see how you’d respond.
i’m not currently in a masonry, but i can be recruited into one.

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how bad of an idea is it to say "i hardclaim traitor" as my first post?

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well basically i'm the masonry equivalent of a traitor.

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how bad of an idea is it to say "i hardclaim traitor" as my first post?

Very bad cause scum might kill you. However you can hardclaim mason.

they don't know your role pm and that you have a lover?

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oh are you a traitor too?

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well basically i'm the masonry equivalent of a traitor.

That makes no sense to me, unless you mean you are recruitable, and know who the masons are?

yep.

[Abnegation]

I keep trying to post something about mech and keep getting ninja'd so I just gave up. Let's do something game advancing.

There's not much right now but I am getting town vibes from Aureal, and slight townleans from Python and Titus. Not so much on std and Abnegation. I'm still trying to understand Abnegation's claim though.
VOTE: Abnegation
Do you wanna explain the rationale behind the claim?

what was the point of this?

[Abnegation]

you mind me asking why you're assuming there's a rationale? that's probably what i'd do if i didn't know your alignment.

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I keep trying to post something about mech and keep getting ninja'd so I just gave up. Let's do something game advancing.

There's not much right now but I am getting town vibes from Aureal, and slight townleans from Python and Titus. Not so much on std and Abnegation. I'm still trying to understand Abnegation's claim though.
VOTE: Abnegation
Do you wanna explain the rationale behind the claim?

what was the point of this?

To generate discussion mainly. I'm gonna unvote the second there's some sort of discussion.

kk.
i generally don't throw out townreads for doing that, but generating discussion and advancing the game does tend to get townread, so it's probably a good play for you.

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i just meme and do silly stuff and sometimes vote myself. some playerlists townread me for it, some scumread me for it.

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Yeah me neither. Idk if it was the most natural play here, but I don't think it was the worst play ever. I'll be honest, I am not very good at RVS. Most games, even when town, I either join the game after RVS has finished or get massively scumread in RVS.

that's helpful to know though. it might be good to link some games where you did similar things in rvs as town so i can point at them if you get scumread for it.

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i probably would meta someone for that kind of thing, but if it comes up and you want to do it the other way, that's fine.

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you know who the scum are, right?

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@Mod would we be able to use both of our shots of Lover's Wrath on the same night, or must it be done on separate nights? Because if we can do it on the same night then 2 lovers v 3 other players is basically a guaranteed win as long as we don't get vigged.

i asked some further questions about this and found something else out.
if a player has access to multiple factional actions, they can only commit one. so if you're recruited, you can't do the maf kill and the lover kill at the same time.

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hmm, let me read.

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well, you have 2 votes on you right now. one is ranger's vote from page 2 with no reason other than "this entrance is scum." that might be a problem if she maintains that read, but i wouldn't press her on it or anything right now. the other vote is this, which i don't think you need to worry about either. you're really not under that much suspicion and you can probably get out of it by just making some towny-looking posts.
what i'd do is look at the new content and see what kinds of reads you can make out of that. it's probably fine if you don't have any scumreads at this point since it's mostly mech, but be on the lookout.

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idk how active i'll be able to be today. i'm just glad i didn't wake up to 20 more pages.

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Hmm so I was planning to suggest to you to make up some scumreads and townreads, but since you are actually uninformed then I guess you can just get some real reads instead. Either way my plan is to form a townblock with me, you, usesPython, Kyoko and one other person who looks townie but that won't SR either of us two. If we di that it would be easy-peasy not to get eliminated before D4. So if you can somehow manipulate your reads into fitting in with this plan it would be great.
But also just have natural towbie reads which I am sure you have because you actually don't know who's yown and who's scum.

i like your plan.
i 100% get recruited into the masonry tonight btw. debating if i should tell you who they are.

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i think my softclaim worked, so i should already have the masons on my side.

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if i were you, i wouldn't ask people who scumread me why they scumread me unless not doing so would be weird you think you can defeat whatever the reasoning might be. if you ask and then their reasons are good, there now exists an actual case for scum!me when previously it was just "abnegation sus." just hope they forget about it and move on to better wagons.

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if i were you, i wouldn't ask people who scumread me why they scumread me unless not doing so would be weird or if you think you can defeat whatever the reasoning might be. if you ask and then their reasons are good, there now exists an actual case for scum!me when previously it was just "abnegation sus." just hope they forget about it and move on to better wagons.

ebwop.

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if i were you, i wouldn't ask people who scumread me why they scumread me unless not doing so would be weird you think you can defeat whatever the reasoning might be. if you ask and then their reasons are good, there now exists an actual case for scum!me when previously it was just "abnegation sus." just hope they forget about it and move on to better wagons.

Oh okay sorry about that. I have a feeling they don't actually have good reasons to SR you though. They'll probably say "vibes" or something.

it's probably fine.

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i'll be honest, i really don't feel like playing this game today, but i'll see what i can do. what would be making you sr me and what could i do to make you tr me, according to your meta?

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i do, however, think that's a really oddly specific thing to meta-analyze someone for and i don't think anyone realistically will.

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Oh I forgot to say, and maybe you already did it since I'm not fully caught up, but could you please make some posts for me to townread?
Just because right now it feels like I should be developing a scumread on you based on my meta and I feel if someone meta analyzes me they'll suspect the fact that I am not, but if I tr you for something it shouldn't be a problem.

just going to quote you in case you're not subscribed to the thread.

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i'll be honest, i really don't feel like playing this game today, but i'll see what i can do. what would be making you sr me and what could i do to make you tr me, according to your meta?

I would sr you for not havong solid scumreads I guess? And if you point out someone as scummy with a reason given I would tr you.

But please do not do it if you don't feel like playing, I think right now the focus just isn't on us.

me having solid scumreads on d1 is a rare occurrence.

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Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

i am the void.

perfect opportunity to soft my role.

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sorry i called ranger town for scumreading you, but it is just a gut ping so i don't think it's going to be a problem.

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Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

i am the void.

perfect opportunity to soft my role.

now that i looked back at the previous game, i think this may have been way too obvious and i really hope we have a doctor that notices it.

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did you put drew in the nightmare?

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did you put drew in the nightmare?

I voted for Python's proposal, don't think it included him.

sorry i called ranger town for scumreading you, but it is just a gut ping so i don't think it's going to be a problem.

Not a problem. Are you town or scumreading me though, in thread?

someone put him in there via day ability. i'll assume you didn't since you don't seem to know what i'm talking about. i wouldn't out it if you did though.

tring you, i've been voting for proposals with you in them and will probably vote rat's new proposal tomorrow.

[Abnegation]

idk why you're getting voted but you're getting voted.
it's almost 3 am and i really have to go to bed but i will try to find stuff to tr you for when you pick up your prod.

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i don’t know if ranger is mislimmable today.

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if we really need her dead, we can shoot her, but i do kind of want to save those.

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i don’t exactly know what you should do. i don’t know what we’re doing in general.

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Everything DragonEater70 posts demonstrates good, thoughtful analysis. Though such contributions can come from scum, the level of effort required is unnecessary. I need to weigh my gut scumread versus the doubts born from his play.

whatever you did, it worked.

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I actually hate my last post, blergh.
Also I definitely think we should have some sort of a plan. I did a bit of math and I don't think we should try to lim scum until D4, unless there are A LOT of nightkills, because that way we can finish killing all the scum on maybe D6-D7, and win:
Assuming an average of 1.5 deaths per night before that, it would be 9 nightkills and 6 lims at the end of D7, leaving us with 4 leaving player, and we'll need our night kill to get a majority.
Whereas if we lim all the scum early, there will quite a few nights with no nightkill so it will be harder to win.

definitely need a plan.
don't you also get endgamed if the scum all die and you aren't recruited?

[Abnegation]

thankfully, i'm pretty good at being wrong so avoiding scum executions should not be difficult for me.

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we should probably be planning our other night actions as well.
in addition to the stuff i told you about, i have 2 shots of rolecop. it's more like a flavour cop though, it tells you the name of the role (for example, mine is "voidfiend traitor") but not necessarily what abilities it has.

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we should probably be planning our other night actions as well.
in addition to the stuff i told you about, i have 2 shots of rolecop. it's more like a flavour cop though, it tells you the name of the role (for example, mine is "voidfiend traitor") but not necessarily what abilities it has.

Oh cool. Mine is basically the Falsely Prophetic Fridge from the first game (if you aren't sure what that is, I'll try to explain later).

i read the role pm from the old game so i get what it does. is it the exact same ability or are there some changes?

[Abnegation]

can you vote for ranger's nightmare proposal?

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can you vote for ranger's nightmare proposal?

Could you ask me (and maybe another player you townread) to do it in the game thread? I think it would look weird if I just randomly voted for it.

i can later today. i think it goes through by plurality anyway though.

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I actually hate my last post, blergh.
Also I definitely think we should have some sort of a plan. I did a bit of math and I don't think we should try to lim scum until D4, unless there are A LOT of nightkills, because that way we can finish killing all the scum on maybe D6-D7, and win:
Assuming an average of 1.5 deaths per night before that, it would be 9 nightkills and 6 lims at the end of D7, leaving us with 4 leaving player, and we'll need our night kill to get a majority.
Whereas if we lim all the scum early, there will quite a few nights with no nightkill so it will be harder to win.

i thought back to this. i've only done very rough math, but this feels like it's cutting it close. depending on the number of scum and the number of nightkills, we could very well be in elo/melo by d4. i agree yeeting all the scum early is bad for us, but i don't want to end up in a situation where it's too late if we can't get the executions through that we want.

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i don't have 5 scumreads but this list is still mostly accurate.

idk what to do so i guess i'll make the lowest-effort readslist ever. the reason for most of these is "idk, it's a vibe."

people i don't want to yeet: radical rat, usespython, aureal, dragoneater70, doctor drew
people i maybe don't want to yeet: titus, save the dragons, sheepsaysmeep, morning tweet, camelcasedsnivy
people i could be persuaded on: ranger, kyoko kirigiri, random nurse, rautherdir, katykimfanclub
people i'm okay with yeeting: whemestar, merlyn, flea the magician

for what it's worth, i do think cat is overall townier than merlyn was.

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Okay fine.

I have a question though:
Can you give me a list of your like top 5 scumreads?
I will explain why after you answer.

feel free to show me your math if you think mine is wrong.
i just think this plan is unnecessarily risky.

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i don't have 5 scumreads but this list is still mostly accurate.

idk what to do so i guess i'll make the lowest-effort readslist ever. the reason for most of these is "idk, it's a vibe."

people i don't want to yeet: radical rat, usespython, aureal, dragoneater70, doctor drew
people i maybe don't want to yeet: titus, save the dragons, sheepsaysmeep, morning tweet, camelcasedsnivy
people i could be persuaded on: ranger, kyoko kirigiri, random nurse, rautherdir, katykimfanclub
people i'm okay with yeeting: whemestar, merlyn, flea the magician

for what it's worth, i do think cat is overall townier than merlyn was.

maybe ranger and kyoko go up too, katy goes down, snivy and dragons are now null.

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meh, maybe not townread, just not interested in voting there today. i forget what gave me that vibe yesterday, but i also think they'd be an alright candidate for the ic.

[Abnegation]

Okay fine.

I have a question though:
Can you give me a list of your like top 5 scumreads?
I will explain why after you answer.

so why did you want my list?

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oh ok lol.
wheme claimed in a way that looked really town and camel did some rolefishy stuff so things have definitely changed since then.

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idk if you've read the thread yet.

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how much info do you want re: nightmare?

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all the juicy info:
- masons are aureal and radical rat.
- ranger claimed innocent child that can reveal any day after d2. she is also immune to role and alignment changes, meaning we are very likely to be dealing with a cult.
- bp ic has been deemed a bad plan because using the ic means you are no longer bp.

idk who i'm investigating yet.

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how many maf?

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and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

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Btw did RR and Aureal reveal their masonness in the Nightmare thread?

no.

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and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

I'm thinking to reveal that Radical Rat's role grants them access to a PT. That way we can soft-force a kill by scum.

wasn't this role's info all false last game? scum may assume it's false again this game.

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and what are you planning to do with the fridge?

I'm thinking to reveal that Radical Rat's role grants them access to a PT. That way we can soft-force a kill by scum.

wasn't this role's info all false last game? scum may assume it's false again this game.

That is a very good point. Should I make it give false info?

that's what i would do.

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if the masonry has my role pm, this might not go over very well lol.

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yeah, the wifom aspect does make this harder lol.

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i guess my biggest concern with outing masons in thread is that i might have to claim mason and scum might kill me, which is game over.

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if the masonry has my role pm, this might not go over very well lol.

They don't, I think? You should ask Korina, but for me the knowledge is asymmetrical.

eh, i'll find out tomorrow.

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that was more of a general statement. i guess they probably wouldn't want to out us even if they have to defend themself.
i'm more worried about if the same thing was done with aureal. i feel like my associatives with her are really obvious if she claims or flips mason.

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using the fridge on rat is...probably fine.
they didn't claim mason in the nightmare, but they said masons are likely and suggested the idea of a mason invention, so this may put some suspicion on the nightmare people who might make that inference.

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i think i might rolecop katy.

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update: kirigiri is getting bp masonized, sheep claimed to have a mailman component to his role.
still not sure who to rolecop. i think i want to investigate within {sheep, katy, rauth, ircher}.

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i'm submitting a rolecop on ircher, might change it later.

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update: kirigiri is getting bp masonized, sheep claimed to have a mailman component to his role.
still not sure who to rolecop. i think i want to investigate within {sheep, katy, rauth, ircher}.

Ok, BP masonization is actually really cool. I really wish I was town this game since this strategy rocks

Wait, since when is Ircher in the game? Also, what are your aijms with the investigation? catching town prs or scum or sorting?

ircher replaced random nurse.
catching town prs doesn't really mean much because it's role madness and i only get the flavour name, not the abilities. my best idea is to use it on someone null/nullscum (ircher is potentially sus after the hammer) to see what info i can get and to verify a claim if needed.

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and yeah, the bp mason strat is great. better than bp ic imo.

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you know who the scum are, right?

how many maf?

i understand why you've completely ignored my questions about the maf, but i just want you to know that i notice when they go unanswered.

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ircher's role is kind of sus.

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ircher's role is kind of sus.

and by that i mean they came up "voidfiend vigilante" which they obviously are not. something tells me that a scum redirector is behind this...

[Abnegation]

anything specifically that you want me to suggest in nightmare? we can't use normal invention again so it's between cop, vig, and fn. people are considering checking/shooting save the dragons.

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we're down to probably 1-3 more maf depending on size of cult and whether you count yourself, and we've still got a 14p game. i think we need to kill some townies lol.
ranger claimed d3+ activated ic so that's another conftown to deal with. i wonder if there's anything you could out about ic.

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"can ranger reveal her alignment at will?" isn't technically alignment-specific but it's pretty obvious that you don't give that to scum so it might not fly.

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oh, maybe it falls under "is x (role specific to one faction)?"
hmm.

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current sus people in nightmare are ircher/snivy/std.

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"can ranger reveal her alignment at will?" isn't technically alignment-specific but it's pretty obvious that you don't give that to scum so it might not fly.

update: this is not legal.

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you could use it to frame someone by asking if a town player possesses a kill and requesting that it give false information. of course, this backfires if used on a vigi, but at least we know who the vigi is if there's somehow another one.
look at me, an innocent townie, searching for all the best ways to frame and sabotage my fellow townies. what have i become?
also sorry for the spamposting, i'm just coming up with ideas.
i am kind of worried about cult. maybe my rolecop could help find them.

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if you're recruitable, you should try to become full maf so you have access to their communications and so you don't get endgamed if they die (if that's what would happen).

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rat's plan right now is to give sheep a cop shot tonight (which will be used n3), create a 5-player nightmare tomorrow with just the towncore, and both out the masonry to the nightmare people and vig someone n3. we'll be deliberating both a cop shot and a vigi shot then, so i'd like to either get your input tomorrow or get you in the nightmare somehow. the second option is possible if rat dies and you make yourself look really town.

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anything specifically that you want me to suggest in nightmare? we can't use normal invention again so it's between cop, vig, and fn. people are considering checking/shooting save the dragons.

Sorry for ignoring that, but uh, why weren't you able to use the invention?

Also I'm genuinely surprised Titus was scum.

And also what's up with 2 traffic analysts.

each invention is only usable once.

i'm genuinely surprised that you were genuinely surprised, thought you were informed.

people are theorizing that they're cult cops, but there's also scum and masons and the nightmare and us so idk lol.

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if you're recruitable, you should try to become full maf so you have access to their communications and so you don't get endgamed if they die (if that's what would happen).

Yeah that's my plan, though I gots no faintest clue bout how.

Also we're probably the only 2 players that know that Titus could get a false positive by investigating you. Which is pretty neat.

the masons know this as well.
it would be really funny if the maf or masons could accidentally recruit the wrong traitor, but i think that would break the game lol.

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if both aureal and rat die, you're technically free to claim mason (either both of us claim or as a role swap). that could be useful if you need to eat a nightkill to get recruited or if things go really wrong and you're getting wagoned. that plan probably gets foiled if someone is treestumped though.

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Pagetop! so I guess it's time for a more in depth post:

Which of the following do you think would reflect good, and which do you think will sound really artificial (and this is catch 22 because asking you makes it more artificial but whatever)?
1. Come in and just catch up on posts since beginning of D2. Don't really say anything about the End of D1.
2. Come in and post about how I was away when Wheme was hammered (which is actually true) and try to analyze the hammer / look for scum on the wagon.
3. Come in and basically announce that I will be tryharding from now on and start doing full ISOs of players and making big townie posts with lots of analysis (which is actually something I do often, and especially did in the last version of Weird Dreams Mafia).
4. Something else I probably haven't thought of?

I'll hopefully not get prodded before you have a chance to reply to me, but I really want to know your opinion before I post.

hmm. i don't think i'd read any of those approaches as artificial, depends more on how you execute it.
going full tryhard mode will probably make the most impact on the game and your position in it though.

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who do you think i should rolecop and what's the plan for the fridge?

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anything specifically that you want me to suggest in nightmare? we can't use normal invention again so it's between cop, vig, and fn. people are considering checking/shooting save the dragons.

Sorry for ignoring that, but uh, why weren't you able to use the invention?

Also I'm genuinely surprised Titus was scum.

And also what's up with 2 traffic analysts.

each invention is only usable once.

i'm genuinely surprised that you were genuinely surprised, thought you were informed.

people are theorizing that they're cult cops, but there's also scum and masons and the nightmare and us so idk lol.

*not each invention, each ability, so normal invention can only be used once.

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i'm rolecopping flea.

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i'm rolecopping flea.

never mind, saving the rolecop for later.

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this aureal kill is bad. really bad.

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rat is considering fakeclaiming sheep as part of the masonry.

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i think there may be a world where i can claim you neighbourized me, figured out i was mason, and offered to fakeclaim it in my place, and it might get you recruited.
it would take coordination though, and i'm not sure it's always the right play.
i'm probably not going to post anything in thread or in mason chat until you post here, unless i get in prod range.

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i think there may be a world where i can claim you neighbourized me, figured out i was mason, and offered to fakeclaim it in my place, and it might get you recruited.
it would take coordination though, and i'm not sure it's always the right play.
i'm probably not going to post anything in thread or in mason chat until you post here, unless i get in prod range.

hmm, never mind this post. this plan doesn't vibe right anymore.
the problem is that rat thinks i'll be outed as mason if they include me in their nightmare proposal. i think i'm already outed as mason by interactions, but i don't know what to do to not die here.

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Okay I have this crazy plan of us shooting RR and then we later both claim masons with each other. Do you think this will work?

the issue there is doubling up with scum.

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i think there may be a world where i can claim you neighbourized me, figured out i was mason, and offered to fakeclaim it in my place, and it might get you recruited.
it would take coordination though, and i'm not sure it's always the right play.
i'm probably not going to post anything in thread or in mason chat until you post here, unless i get in prod range.

I love this idea because I would

definitely

neighborize you if I had a chance.

hmm. i’m thinking.

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well that isn’t good.
idk what i’m doing and i don’t know if we can pull off any plans like that.
might be best if i just claim 1-shot instead of 2-shot rolecop mason and play the day kind of lurky in hopes that they’ll shoot a more dangerous conftown.
what do you want to claim? i don’t know that mason will work at this point, but i can back you up on whatever.

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Okay I have this crazy plan of us shooting RR and then we later both claim masons with each other. Do you think this will work?

the issue there is doubling up with scum.

Honestly it seems like maf isn't very interested in shooting the mason for whatever reason.

i don’t think i could live with myself if i shot my own mason buddy and we didn’t get the lover win.

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yes, i’m in the hood, so i can at least try asking.

also doesn’t radical rat go by they/them?

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i feel like neighbourizer might be a sus role in this setup but at least it would be confirmed.
also the neighbourizer would be 1-shot right?

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you might need to claim another ability alongside mason. maybe a stronger investigative.

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i’m just posting ideas. let me know what you think.

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might also want to claim x-shot activated pgo so your cover isn’t blown if you come out as pgo later and you were targeted by town.

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Ooops that's not a pagetop.

But this is a pagetop

here’s a quote.

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Because it wouldn't make any sense fpr me to investigate RR

you definitely shouldn’t be trueclaiming.
one minute.

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might also want to claim x-shot activated pgo so your cover isn’t blown if you come out as pgo later and you were targeted by town.

Well the idea is we kill RR so no cover blows. But you can also tell him I'm a bomb rather than PGO.

bomb plan is better imo.
i’m just doing some math right now to figure out how we win this.

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so we and the following 11 people are alive.

- ircher
- ranger
- rat
- katy
- tweet
- flea
- dragons
- python
- rauth
- snivy
- sheep

we need to get rid of all of them somehow.
assuming 1 execution/day, 1 kill/night, this takes until d8. you have to get recruited and we have 2 kills, so there’s actually a difference of 1 kill, but it still works out to n7 or d8 depending on when we take the other maf out.
that means 5-6 more executions need to happen. ranger, rat, and python are definitely not going to be yeetable. ircher, snivy, flea, and dragons are all relatively yeetable right now, but things are, of course, subject to change.
i think it’s best to hold onto the lover kills until you are recruited and have knowledge and control of the maf kill, and the end is closer so our victory path is clearer.
am i good to post your claim to the masonry?

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oh no, rat mentioned “suspicious neighborhoods.”

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you volunteering to get shot isn’t really a cultist thing though.

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i do wonder, what if the traitor recruit is separate from the kill?
i think it’s a gamble we might have to take though.

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Wait so ddi you ask RR for permission to claim mason? If so, hilarious.

i didn't yet.
i'm going to do it now though if you're okay with that.

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Btw is there even a massclaim going? Or is it only one person pushing for it?

it hasn't started yet if there is, idk, i have to read the thread.

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Wait so ddi you ask RR for permission to claim mason? If so, hilarious.

i drafted a post to put in masonry chat, let me know if this is good or you want anything changed before i post:

sorry i dropped off the face of the earth, but i'm back now. skimmed the thread, but haven't properly read it yet.
anyway, here's the deal. i got neighbourized by dragoneater70, but didn't notice the pm in my inbox until today. he noticed my obvious mason softing and i just confirmed it because it's...obvious. he's claiming bomb with a 1-shot neighbourizer and a 1-shot detective, and he wants to fakeclaim mason detective to bait a nightkill. i'm personally fine with it, but i'm obviously not going to let him go through with something like that if you're not on board. i also see you're planning to fakeclaim sheep, so this plan might conflict with that.
thoughts?

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Wait so ddi you ask RR for permission to claim mason? If so, hilarious.

i drafted a post to put in masonry chat, let me know if this is good or you want anything changed before i post:

sorry i dropped off the face of the earth, but i'm back now. skimmed the thread, but haven't properly read it yet.
anyway, here's the deal. i got neighbourized by dragoneater70, but didn't notice the pm in my inbox until today. he noticed my obvious mason softing and i just confirmed it because it's...obvious. he's claiming bomb with a 1-shot neighbourizer and a 1-shot detective, and he wants to fakeclaim mason detective to bait a nightkill. i'm personally fine with it, but i'm obviously not going to let him go through with something like that if you're not on board. i also see you're planning to fakeclaim sheep, so this plan might conflict with that.
thoughts?

i know you haven't replied, but i'm just going to have to post this in there because i can only wait so long before it's not believable.

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rat questioned me on the name of the hood, i said it was the backrooms.

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rat questioned me on the name of the hood, i said it was the backrooms.

i think i messed up because they now think you are cult.
i thought it was a test so i just looked up real quick if there was a hood last game and grabbed the same name. didn't realize it was cl's hood.

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oh no, this is bad lol.

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sorry, i didn't realize. i hope i didn't screw us over.

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claiming the fridge on rat looks real sus anyway.
god, i am so sorry, i really wasn't trying to screw us over.

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i think i can use your "claim" to get out of it.

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the "bomb claim" is saving you right now.
they say they might want to "try it" and execute/vig you if you don't die.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i'm such an idiot.

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have you "used" the detective shot yet?

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i'm also using the neighbourize being 1-shot as a reason you aren't cult, because it prevents you from fulfilling the alt wincon of adding everyone to the backrooms.

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Okay then we have to kill RR tonight to make sure they don't vig me later.

they're 1-shot and they burned it on csf, but we might have to anyway to ensure no one learns about my botched gambit.

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This is so incredibly funny and stupid and ridiculous and beautiful.
THIS is what I play scum for.

i'm just thinking "oh god how bad are they going to roast me postgame?"

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Spoiler:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This is so incredibly funny and stupid and ridiculous and beautiful.
THIS is what I play scum for.

i'm just thinking "oh god how bad are they going to roast me postgame?"

but yeah, this is absolutely insane lol.
i'm not going to be awake much longer, i'll be around more tomorrow and will actually figure out what i want to post in thread then.

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one last pagetop for the night!

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rat is ok with the fakeclaim plan, but they say if you don’t die tonight and we don’t have a stronger guilty, you get executed. assuming this info isn’t outed to the nightmare, shooting them seems likely.
ok goodnight!

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so massclaim is probably happening and the plan is probably happening.
this will be, uh, interesting.

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so turns out there's another backrooms claim, we're going with "there's two," and rat thinks katy's is scummier.

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i think you're still good to claim mason detective.

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if you haven't read katy's claim yet, it's pretty funny.

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it's ok, i think we can go with it.

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oh god rat is getting rolestopped, that's just great.

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i don't think i'd have been able to not claim mason at this point unfortunately.
i don't think you need to unclaim though.

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i already said in mason chat that you noticed my obvious softing, so it's presumed you pointed that stuff out in the "backrooms."
sorry though, didn't realize what your plan was.

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this is such a mess.

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sorry i didn't see your posts in time, my internet was wonky this afternoon.

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Like having 3 protections after massclaim is just stupidly OP and not balanced at all.

at least, if we're all protected, we both get to live and you don't get executed for being alive tomorrow lol.

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oh right, the recruit. uhhhhhh idk how that's going to work lol.

rat wants to know what you're "thinking" about katy.

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oh right, the recruit. uhhhhhh idk how that's going to work lol.

rat wants to know what you're "thinking" about katy.

If i'm being honest, I'm a bit weirded out. Like it would make sense for Korina to make a decoy backrooms, but two??? Something is weird as heck here. Dayplay wise, I was townreading them somewhat on D1 but on D2 and D3 I don't

really

like their posts, though I don't hate them either. I will have to do an ISO.

are you leaning towards the second backrooms being actual cult or a decoy?

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(like, what should i tell rat?)

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Can you please ask RR what they think of StD? I am townreading StD and thinking the lim should be one of Ircher, Snivy and Rauth (which I am still not townreading but it is possible it's just their playstyle which is naturally scummy).

std got copped by snivy, but could technically be godfather.

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rat wants to abandon the plan of trying to bait the kill on you, get everything on the table, and go for a mechanical solve. how do i respond to that?

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What did you tell him my role was, exactly?

bomb 1-shot detective 1-shot neighbourizer, and the neighbourhood you added me to is called the backrooms lol.
i haven't read the thread yet but let me see how screwed we are.

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I just realized it would've been a whole lot easier for me to fake claim if after saying the backrooms thing, instead of talking about KKFC you'd just told Rat that you made a mistake and I just joked about the backrooms.

unfortunately, i said the pt was named the backrooms.

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i think we can still push kkfc here. your claim is townier than theirs is anyway.
if you want to keep faking mason, though, i need a good reason that i can tell rat.

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*still push kkfc even if you aren't able to keep claiming mason

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

confscum how?

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ugh, i still haven't wrapped my head around all these claims.

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

confscum how?

do you not think we could sell the idea that there are actually two decoy backrooms after a katy green flip? i think we could.
is it a matter of too much conftown?

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i haven’t posted anything yet in masonry.
i think i will have a difficult time convincing them to let you keep claiming mason.
i think the role i said you claimed and the nk-bait plan makes you look non-cult even in the event of a kkfc green flip.
i think it might even make you look like a traitor to maf who are looking for you. neighbourizing a probable mason to ask if you can claim mason detective to bait an nk is definitely a traitor kind of plan. i guess maf may not want to risk the bomb claim though. rat is currently leaning towards not claiming the bomb part, but i could convince them it’s necessary for context if you think it looks better.
however, i’m not going to do any of that without clearance from you, because last time i did that is how we got into this mess in the first place.

p-edit: yeah that is a good point. i thought maybe we could get away with saying “mod is a troll” or something.

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the protective roles are our biggest problem right now imo.

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The thing is after my fake claim is no more, and KKFC is dead, I'm confirmed scum, no?
Tell Rat I want to kill KKFC anyway so I probably won't be protected at night and I still want to be night killed.

confscum how?

do you not think we could sell the idea that there are actually two decoy backrooms after a katy green flip? i think we could.
is it a matter of too much conftown?

Yep there are too many conftown atm and honestly I think this stunt leaves me looking scummy af.

I think you should tell RR I still want to flip Katy, and if Rat still insists that I claim then I'll claim.

ok, i told them this. we'll see what happens.

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i'm just going to hope for your sake that scum isn't exactly ircher/rauth.

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rat is planning to let it go until the nightmare and explain there instead. they figure we should be able to deal with whatever is going on with the cult tomorrow.

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i haven’t posted anything yet in masonry.
i think i will have a difficult time convincing them to let you keep claiming mason.
i think the role i said you claimed and the nk-bait plan makes you look non-cult even in the event of a kkfc green flip.
i think it might even make you look like a traitor to maf who are looking for you. neighbourizing a probable mason to ask if you can claim mason detective to bait an nk is definitely a traitor kind of plan. i guess maf may not want to risk the bomb claim though.

rat is currently leaning towards not claiming the bomb part,

but i could convince them it’s necessary for context if you think it looks better.
however, i’m not going to do any of that without clearance from you, because last time i did that is how we got into this mess in the first place.

p-edit: yeah that is a good point. i thought maybe we could get away with saying “mod is a troll” or something.

So what exactly do they want me to do? Could you give me exactly their thoughts?

Also, I have a VERY important question: to your knowledge, is RR immune to culting? Because if not, I would like to push KKFC saying I don't want them to just cult the masons.

they hadn't quite made up their mind, i can ask more questions. it'll be in the nightmare anyway.

we asked. korina could not answer.

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rat is planning to let it go until the nightmare and explain there instead. they figure we should be able to deal with whatever is going on with the cult tomorrow.

Let what go precisely?

let you keep your mason claim until the nightmare.

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i'm just going to hope for your sake that scum isn't exactly ircher/rauth.

Oh...

About that.

Um.

uhhh. allow me to process this.

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i just don't think i can rationalize knowing the identities of the entire mafia team and not selling them out. it's like a big red button that says "win the game" (well, almost, we still have to deal with cult).

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i just don't think i can rationalize knowing the identities of the entire mafia team and not selling them out. it's like a big red button that says "win the game" (well, almost, we still have to deal with cult).

Oh, I know. Which is why I lied. Or did I?

But it's definitely why I didn't answer when you asked if I know who's scum.

well now the wifom is going to kill me.

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uhhh. that's interesting.
also what's with the bomb claim?

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i'm still in a wifom spiral. that post makes me want to not snitch. but i must deliberate some more.

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why'd you ask morning tweet to cult you?

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kkfc's not possible today. i'll assume it's fine to vote ircher as you are voting ircher.

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i do feel like ircher could be 3p though.

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you need to make up a flavour name for your role and claim it in the nightmare. i said what your abilities are but didn’t give that part.

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inquiry on you is going to be real bad if it goes through. i will try to argue it’s a waste of time.

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we’re just going to ignore the fact that i said you were 1-shot and haven’t used it.
like, literally ignore it. because that’s all we can do.

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Why does anyone want to inquiry me? We should kill the obvious cult leader which is KKFC.

yeah, i tried to argue you aren’t cult but they aren’t listening.

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Okay I claimed.
Do we want to kill anyone or not right now?

i’ll look at stuff and figure that out once i actually have computer access. i’m currently 7ish hours into a 10-hour road trip.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

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don’t answer python’s question, i will likely say no but i need to scan your iso.

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Okay I claimed.
Do we want to kill anyone or not right now?

i’ll look at stuff and figure that out once i actually have computer access. i’m currently 7ish hours into a 10-hour road trip.

Enjoy your road trip! Or at least the destination. I am sure it is not fun to be squashed in a car for 10 hours.

well, i’m headed home, which i will definitely enjoy.
it’s actually not that bad. just kind of boring lol.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

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Actually pretty sure from my POV the cult is fixed now.

DE70/Abnegation cult
? scum

Abnegation. I really like you as a person. But for the love of god. Why did you claim our neighborhood name as Backrooms. WHYYYYYYYY

i’m so sorry lol.
uhhh maybe just shade katy for accusing a mason.

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oof.

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

Nope.

where did you get that information? or is it a theory?

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@mod - if one of us were to be recruited by the cult, would we still be able to win as lovers?

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ugh. why didn't i just say our pt was called purgatory?

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hopefully we can manage to have you permanently alien’d instead of publicly parity copped with confirmed non-maf.

Why??? No this is a horrible idea. And I still think KKFC is cult. Do you want me culted?

i thought the alien was different from getting culted.

Nope.

where did you get that information? or is it a theory?

It's what Katy claimed.

i'm not following. i know katy claimed alien and we suspect them of being cult, but does that mean they're culting the players they claim to have alien'd? cult pt was also called the liminal space last time, not the backrooms, and idk why anyone would want to fake having a pt called the backrooms.

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well, i do.
imagine two fake backrooms lol.

(also the additional backrooms wincon isn't in the cult pm this game)

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BTW did you like the flavor of my fake claim? I felt it was genius because it managed to somehow combine all of my abilities together with he backrooms thing.

yeah, it works well.

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You know, at this point I'm tempted to just claim my true role and help town find the real CL rather than argue with KKFC.

@Mod does doing this break the rules?

i'm not the mod, but i'll guess probably.

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ugh, why do i have to be the one making the decisions?
i'll get back to you.

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cl is dead now so what do you want to do?

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oh god, you're screwed.

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rat got an announcing neighbourizer invention. the name of the neighbourhood is...the backrooms.

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Huh.

K I think it's game over. Enjoy the win.

yeah, it's over for us. :(

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no redactions.