Mini Normal 2306: Mafia PT

[Random Nurse]

I'm here.

I've been informed there's 4 Town Millers.

WHY there are 4 Town Millers is a good question.

[Random Nurse]

My impressions of Firepup: He's actually solving so he's probably scum.

I haven't played with her. Is she a threat as Town?

[Random Nurse]

Firebringer and Dunnstral I don't know these other players. Who do you know is the higher Town threats in this game?

[Random Nurse]

It may be wise to lim her Night 1?

[Random Nurse]

Thanks for the update.

I'm going to stay off the Mikhail wagon, that way if they mislim him they won't really look at me (in theory).

Do you have plans currently? If you two are OK with it I'd like us 3 to work together more closely to help ensure we win.

Also that Meta post I posted is spot on and if any of the Townies are smart they'd hold me to each of its tenets.

[Random Nurse]

I think I'm secretly enjoying Mikhail punking Roden and the others.

He's kind of a cheeky little f*ck.

[Random Nurse]

He is definitely pushing people buttons. I can't tell if its on purpose or if he is just poorly communicating. I mean probably a bit of both.

My plan right now is to get you both high in townreads. I am totally cool with going out first if we go a bussing route, but I want to setup you two for late game. I don't think we need to buss day 1 though.

There's no way it's not on purpose. He's an alt and it's experimental.

[Random Nurse]

He is definitely pushing people buttons. I can't tell if its on purpose or if he is just poorly communicating. I mean probably a bit of both.

My plan right now is to get you both high in townreads. I am totally cool with going out first if we go a bussing route, but I want to setup you two for late game. I don't think we need to buss day 1 though.

Could you please NOT Townread me?

Just leave me in Null or Scum, please.

If you TR me and then flip Scum they'll come after me. We should put as much distance between us on the game thread as possible.

[Random Nurse]

Is there any indication that any of the Town knows there's 4 Millers?

I'm going to keep it to myself that there's 4 Town Millers, unless we can somehow use this data?

Also, where is Dunnstral?

[Random Nurse]

i kind of want one of us to claim they know theres 4 millers for town points.
kind of seeing that backfire. Maybe Dunnstral can claim it.

can discuss more later
dunnstral isn't a hyperposter and the game basically started he should be here later

Honestly, I think that could backfire pretty badly. I could see one of them saying one of Mafia could be informed too, or "how do you know?," etc.

I think it'd be better if we just keep quiet, see if ANY of the Town is informed and, if not, see if their paranoia runs wild when it turns out there's more than one Miller. One Townie already claimed Miller, and I suspect at least one more will claim Day 1. That could cause more paranoia.

[Random Nurse]

Should we leave Mikhail alive as mis-lim bait for Town?

[Random Nurse]

I love Starcraft 2 and watching battlecruiser rushes on uThermal's YT channel.

We need Starcraft 3 desperately.

[Random Nurse]

I wouldn't go with the cum doing it to be an experimental alt.

First the person would make the alt and then later get their role PM, which would be either Town or Scum.

[Random Nurse]

I wouldn't go with the cum doing it to be an experimental alt.

First the person would make the alt and then later get their role PM, which would be either Town or Scum.

*SCUM. lol

[Random Nurse]

Alisae claims to be a Miller, and then later claims to be a Vig. Obviously there's 4 Millers, but is a Vig plausible?

[Random Nurse]

Hello

Earlier in the game Mikhail had said he was hammered/limmed, and I thought he had meant this game, but apparently he was talking about an ongoing game.

[Random Nurse]

Just a heads up, but even saying things like that is best avoided. Just pretend it never happened until the game in question has officially ended

Gotcha. Thank you.

[Random Nurse]

I'm legit TR Flavorleaf too but I can't tell them I have that many Townreads.

Thinking I've got fair points to lim osuka, but only Roden has joined.

If at all possible I'd like us 3 to not be on the same wagons. For the entire game I'm going to try to stay off any wagons either of you are on to fly under the radar of late-game vote analysis.

[Random Nurse]

I legit want a policy lim on Mikhail because he's anti-Town regardless of alignment.

It sucks because now it's set up so it's not like we can really lim him over his terrible play.

[Random Nurse]

I am starting to think i don't have time for this mafia game. I am probably replacing guys

Don't leave me. Then I'll just be left with... Dunn.

[Random Nurse]

As much as I COULD hammer Takutai that'll come back to bite me in the ass in late-game vote analysis.

[Random Nurse]

Both Takutai and osuka have been toxic Town this game, and Mikhail has been bizarre enough to be anti-Town.

I'd rather select the most logical, pro-Town Townie for the NK tonight, currently.

[Random Nurse]

gonna stay in game as long as i can guys

That's encouraging.

Not even sure why they've got two vote on me. If I'm like L-2 then jump on but don't be L-1 vote.

[Random Nurse]

Hate letting my team down currently. Legit V/LA until sometime this morning. Work is insane on the hospital floor even at night, and I can barely collect my thoughts to think through and play the game without tripping up. Sun/Mon/Tues/Wed I have off, so I'll come back swinging.

[Random Nurse]

I'm assuming we should target someone outside the Miller claims for the Night Kill?

It'd be hilarious if the mod added Bulletproof status to one or more of the other Townies.

[Random Nurse]

I refuse to replace out.

These players should know inactivity isn't AI. I don't like being voted for the wrong reasons. I legit am struggling to act as my Townself, lol. That yellow meta post is a liability for me as Scum.

I'm wading into this sh*tshow tonight.

[Random Nurse]

I think I wanna NK Sakura just to get rid of those sharp-pointed questions.

[Random Nurse]

I think just in case I'm today's lim I'm going to muddy the waters as much as possible. I'm going to flatly refuse to vote for Alisae, and see if there's anyone else I can drag down if I go.

[Random Nurse]

she is a good night kill

btw the link i sent u was to a town game.
I am wondering if anyone else will even open that link, my guess is zero.

Gotcha.

I MAY start to tunnel you a bit. Please don't take anything I say seriously. I'm trying to claw my way out of their sights.

[Random Nurse]

I MAY start to tunnel you a bit. Please don't take anything I say seriously. I'm trying to claw my way out of their sights.

Go for it

Out of curiosity do you have an inkling on who my main is?

[Random Nurse]

If the rest of Town read all the Miller claims as Town we're f*cked.

[Random Nurse]

I feel like there's too many strong Town players in this game. I'm trying to find an angle to Scumread someone and I can't really find it.

I mean I could go after Dunn but we NEED our numbers. Any ideas Fire? I don't think I can press a lim on Sakura currently.

Should we try Jason? FL?

[Random Nurse]

Does Dunnstral usually not interact with his Scummates?

Dunn, come on and post in here please.

[Random Nurse]

I'm trying so hard to make myself forget I'm Scum: it's not working.

Hate having this inside knowledge that makes it so difficult to act like an unknowing Townie.

[Random Nurse]

its easier to forget ur scum team members than ur alignment.
if u take a long enough break from scum pt. can try writing down 2 other players that are ur 'teammates'
keep repeating that. and u can fool urself into not knowing who ur real teammates are.

i did that once.

I'll have to try that in the future.

OR I could try PM'ing myself a VT role PM?

[Random Nurse]

What if we bus Dunnstral?

He legit only has 20 posts.

[Random Nurse]

Can I get Alisae and Sakura to fight?

Oooooh? Maaaybe.

[Random Nurse]

I can't tell if Takutai is serious or sarcastic right now.

[Random Nurse]

We survived Day 1.

I'd like to NK Sakura because she scares me. Alisae's in my pocket I think.

She I carry out the NK?

If not Sakura, who? FL? Sakura I WAS able to redirect...

[Random Nurse]

Should I shoot Sakura tonight?

Personally I feel I can redirect her Day 2; I worry about Flavor Leaf. I can't seem to redirect him at all.

[Random Nurse]

You or I should perform the nk. I don't want to lose Fire's role,

Are you alright with me doing it?

Who do you think we should NK?

[Random Nurse]

1) Looks like civil war has broken out for Town.

2) Roden's on to me.

3) Should we leave Takutai and Flavor Leaf alive as long as possible? They're at each other's throats.

[Random Nurse]

Zero reason to claim when they did.

Actively antagonistic

Calling out pushes as being bad and worthy of ignoring people fully, yet all of their “scum reads” flipped town.


Threatens the game with inactivity.

This is scum.

Flavor Leaf, despite your experience you should know this can also be TOWN.

Those behaviors do not MAKE one Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Ok, wasnt really planning to tryhard this game, just wanted a nice relaxing game to come back and get back into the swing of things, but with how things are going this game, it seems i'm going to have to do something about it as it feels like there's a chance scum are controlling the game right now.

On the subject of Random Nurse

You probably saw me mention it a few times already, but RN left us a really nice self-meta on their first post:

Meta Data

Just a heads-up: I typically struggle on Day 1 due to not having anything tangible to work with.

I work as a strictly nocturnal night nurse, so am asleep during the day. I also work 60-72 hours each week

As Town I am free to be aggressive because I legitimately don't know who is what, and I don't care about self-preservation.

As Scum I struggle to emulate the above play and frequently try to force myself to forget my role.

As Town I work best by consistent extreme engagement to generate content: it's extremely easy to do as Town and a chore for me to do as Scum because I already have insider knowledge and I'm a terrible liar. As Town it's extremely easy for me to make free-flowing-thought posts on a dime.

I don't quickhammers and appreciate intent to hammer being made first. At this point on I don't quickhammer and instead will announce intent to claim.

I prefer NOT to play using readslists due to my severe time constraints. It's easier for me to tell you how I feel about a player, and as Town if you ask me I should be able to tell you fairly soon how I honestly feel about them. If it takes awhile then I'm possibly Scum.

On Day 1 expect me to be playing based solely on gut reads and gut vibes: I have no tangible evidence to work with.

I'm making it a habit to post this post first at the start of each game, and then start reading.

My main issue with random nurse is that they dont feel aggresive as they mention, while they mention that as scum they struggle to emulate it. I've been giving them a lot of room considering we're reaching the end of deadline, just in case they are legit busy. After their first string of posts then they go into do almost nothing mode as i mentioned before:

VOTE: Random Nurse

Yeah, forgot about them, and then dont like ISO either, and remember them pinging me with the town read on Sakura and Alisae, yet 'FL is a mystery'

seems like a positioning tactic

I support this vote but not for these reasons, but they seemed to be active at first until they got stonewalled by Takutai and then they dissapeared off the thread in terms of sorting.

Spoiler: quotes

Am I crazy or does anyone else here notice that Takutai outright ignores my question?

miki's towns are calling each other town, yaaay~

alisae n sakura hana kinda look like mafia partners in some worlds too yin thinks? probably past history but interactions feel just a lil off

we wanna be buds flavor leaf!

random nurse looks town too at this point? umm, is this game just really easy or something? weird, i have autowin

Is this the same Mikhail?

Is this the same Mikhail?

They are a plural system. I believe Yin is posting right now

Like a Hydra?

I thought those weren't allowed in Normal games?

Votecount 1.7

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer

votes

Takutai (6)

E-1

:

NorwegianboyEE, Saukura Hana, JasonWazza, Firebringer, Alisae, MikhailTal

osuka (2):

Roden, Random Nurse

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Takutai

MikhailTal (1):

osuka

Flavor Leaf(1):

Flavor Leaf

Firebringer (1):

Hu Tao

Day One ends in (expired on 2023-07-28 05:00:00)

Is it possible you could keep those who are not voting separate and at the bottom, please?

Also, despite Takutai being unwilling to explain himself when I asked him a simple question on why he found those two other players Scummy, I don't really see any reason why he's already at L-1. It seems way too easy to me.

UNVOTE: osuka

Rereading Takutai's ISO.

Is everything RN's done in the last 2 IRL days.
VOTE: Real Nurse

After which, they went V/LA and i went "Okay, maybe they are legit busy, i'll see what happens when they come back", so i kept waiting for their V/LA to end, which was supposed to be Sunday morning, on when the posted this:

I'll be poking my head in tonight.

This happened at sunday morning in my timezone so i was under the assumption this was them ending their V/LA and saying they'd post during the night. After which i waited for a post during the night, and... nothing since then.

Could potentially give them more time, but the clock is ticking, and i'm not sure if they stalling until night 1 at this point or just legit busy.

On the subject of Alisae

I keep flip flopping here a lot, but what set me off mostly was when I was trying to reaction test RN, at... sunday night where i assumed is when they would be reading/catching up, and this happens:

Well since FL didnt reply i'll just do it then. Sorry it took a bit.

Dayvig: Random Nurse

when you're so desperate you're faking dayvigs

Like why, why interrupt me from trying to get anything?, They seem to townread Nurse, but despite me commenting on my read being partly based on their first post's self-meta at least moer than once, doesnt seem to be engaging me on it either, feels like they are trying to bury it out or something.

Mostly going by these weird connection i'm seeing between Alisae and RN, but i do admit, i'm not that sure on Alisae being scum, their pivot onto Norwee that came out of the blue and flipped their read is nothing short of suspicious and i dunno if it's something Alisae would do as scum.

On the subject on Flavor Leaf.

Being honest here, literally the only reason i have for this is how he suddenly agrees with Alisae on Norwee, maybe this is some Level 100 play i'm not seeing coz i'm a noob at this game, but it gives me weird feelings about it all the same.

End words

I'm not expecting people to follow my intuition or logic here, since i'm bad at explaining things anyway and i'm not into faking confidence to get my scumreads pushed, but i figured it's better if i let my thoughts out than keep them to myself.

VOTE: Random Nurse

Yeah, so, uh, I should probably tell you more about my personal life because it makes everything make sense. I work a sh*t-ton of hours as a stepdown/ICU nurse, and after work I'm typically a dead husk the night after (I work nights). And that night I said I was going to poke my head in I legit fell asleep at night too and was out cold for another 8 hours. I had worked 10 out of 11 12-hour shifts. So yeah, I'm working like a fiend: ask a nurse how relaxed they feel the day/night after.

I really need to amend that yellow meta post because it is NOT accounting for the wear and tear these shifts and classes are doing to me. WHEN I HAVE TIME AND ENERGY I like to get really into the game and start going nuts with engagement: my main is from 2013 and I COULD share it but I'm not sure that would break any rules. I should amend it to note that my strength is---when I can do it---get really aggressive and into the game. If you want a hint I modded one of the largest games in this site.

I don't see the point of posting your yellow meta post as either alignment honestly. People aren't going to trust your self meta but they will distrust you when you are not matching up to it.

A better angle to take is how do you play as mafia and how is this game different, if you want to self meta. Right now some people are saying this game fits your scum meta but I have not personally (and likely will not) looked at your history to see how you play as mafia vs town.

Yeah, I get this part.

I didn't account for how ridiculously busy I'd be working the floor when making that yellow meta post. If I make it again it'll be changed quite a bit.

Regardless of alignment I'm dealing with too much to even read the game much.

[Random Nurse]

It never fucking fails I get voted on/limmed while I'm V/LA and can barely post. So much fucking bullshit. Beginning to hate this game.

If you have to bus me so we can win go for it you two. I'm preoccupied with two super-sick patients and can't actively play the game right now.

[Random Nurse]

I knew FL was going to come after me, and for BS reasons no less, and I can't fight back because of IRL work.

Hands are tied at the moment.

[Random Nurse]

Dunnstral, is it possible you could engage more in the thread?

If I keep ignoring it they're gonna get suspicious eventually. I don't want you limmed, period.

[Random Nurse]

I'm happy to kill you because I genuinely believe the thread is better off with you dead and flipped. It's not because you're unpleasant, I don't rly know how to describe it beyond "loud and fucking annoying."

LMAO DAMN.

[Random Nurse]

Ok I actually don't care anymore, I auto launch people who try gas light me. Fuck off with that shit.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[Random Nurse]

I'm thinking I want to lim Flavor Leaf next.

[Random Nurse]

*NK

[Random Nurse]

Alisae,I think it's just Takuta/Random.

I think Roden is just correct this game, and theyre getting targeted because of it.

Definitely need to NK him Night 2.

[Random Nurse]

If I get eliminated they will probably get a lot of flak for that

If Hu Tao lives today we should consider killing Flavor Leaf though. They aren't cop, obviously, but it will look like Hu Tao killed them because they thought they were cop. And then after Hu Tao flips maybe Takutai will take that blame as they also would have motive to kill there.

I don't want to sound like I jerk but I feel both you and Fire should be slightly more active. It's been hellish trying to manipulate the game by myself. Predictably Alisae came right back around to voting me, and I need her to be distracted.

Trying to find this balance of looking Town but I absolutely don't want either of you limmed. I kind of feel the four Millers being in the game is a tad unfair, in that Town for the most part is basically confirming them: Alisae refuses to even look at them, which is SO annoying. Regardless if I die Day 2 or not, I think Flavor needs to be killed off: get rid of the claimed Millers since they're not appropriately suspecting them.

[Random Nurse]

Is it too risky for you Dunnstral and me to shift to Takutai? It'd probably look too desperate?

If we power lim Takutai we'd have to fight like hell next Day, but numbers would be more in our favor.

[Random Nurse]

I think Nurse is trying to make it look like they're aligned with me if they're mafia

Fair enough. I need to work on my subtlety.

[Random Nurse]

God I hope that was hammer.

Alisae's been after me all fucking Day 2.

I'm damn near certain I'm getting that sweet yeet Day 3. They're gonna Cop/track me. Should I do the NK to keep my hands dirty?

[Random Nurse]

I've hoped I've buddied Alisae/Takutai enough to shift suspicion.

[Random Nurse]

I'll NK Alisae. She's bent on taking me out.

Since FL fake-claimed Cop on innocent Hu Tao, we'll let Town hold him accountable for it.

[Random Nurse]

I think sheep is either the cop
Or flavor is and just faking his result for bravodo

He'd be a fool to fake a Guilty on an innocent person as a Town Cop.

[Random Nurse]

Random Nurse Night Kills Alisae

[Random Nurse]

I believe Fire's vote on Takutai was hammer.

They may try to come after you Fire.

I thought it was Hu Tao that was hammered. If we leave Hu Tao and Flavor Leaf alive they're gonna fight: I can feel it.

[Random Nurse]

Should I kill Sheep instead?

If Alisae is left alive she will do everything she can to lim me Day 3.

[Random Nurse]

I was wondering what Sheep was going on about about "green peek." Sounds Cop-ish.

Do you two want me to do the kill? I'm almost certain all PRs will be targeting me tonight. I'll draw the suspicion.

[Random Nurse]

That'll work too.

Whatever you two are OK with on this.

[Random Nurse]

In fact there is a good chance of that even if Norwegianboy is lying

I had noticed Sheep too when he had said Hu Tao is a "green peek."

I agree with Fire that he's probably the Cop.

[Random Nurse]

Votecount 2.5

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer

votes

Hu Tao (3):

Firebringer, Roden, NorwegianboyEE

Takutai (2):

Flavor Leaf, sheepsaysmeep

Dunnstral (2):

bob3141, Random Nurse

Roden (1):

Takutai

Alisae (1):

Hu Tao

Random Nurse (1):

Alisae

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral

notes

• Random Nurse is V/LA on Thursdays, Frydays and Saturdays.
  
• The combined mod ISO is here.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2023-08-07 08:00:00)

I check in for a moment and these are horrible your top wagon is a green peek

Sorry hu Tao is actually green peeked

[Random Nurse]

I hope he's not clever enough to pretend he's a Cop by doing this...

[Random Nurse]

We are still on Alisae, did you folks want to switch to Sheep?

Let's kill Sheep if he's the suspected Cop. I'll deal with Alisae's wrath later.

Random Nurse kills Sheep.

[Random Nurse]

Turns out Sheep was that clever.

[Random Nurse]

I'll go in on FL tonight if he's not already limmed.

[Random Nurse]

Is that hammer?

We need more frequent VCs.

[Random Nurse]

Do I still have Strongman ability?

I don't recall using it.

If I still have Strongman should I go ahead and use it on Bob?

[Random Nurse]

Scratch that.

[Random Nurse]

Could e just wait for ONE of them to mis-vote and then all three of us jump on? We'd win instantly, right?

[Random Nurse]

Could e just wait for ONE of them to mis-vote and then all three of us jump on? We'd win instantly, right?

[Random Nurse]

I didn't expect Alisae to replace out. With her gone perhaps that takes a lot of heat off my trail? Hopefully.

[Random Nurse]

I don't think I've bussed in over six years. Trying to get ahead of Town to get into endgame.

[Random Nurse]

IF, for whatever reason, Town votes Town, all three of us need to jump on it and we'll end the game immediately.

[Random Nurse]

I'll be scanning the game for the next 12 hours. IF that happens we all need to make the jump for victory. Maybe Titus could be "nudged" in that direction?

[Random Nurse]

If I need to be limmed and self-hammer let me know and I'll do it if you think it'll up our chances of victory.

[Random Nurse]

Self-hammered to deny info.

Good luck team.

[Random Nurse]

Self-hammered to deny info.

Good luck team.