Datisi's University [dead/spec PT]

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Damn, I was relatively eager to get into day 2 for once too

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Mainly because I was gonna have a fun conversation with Alisae who replaced into a town slot but oh well

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Guess I'm not too bothered if Ali is gonna sheep my reads anyway.

My death there probably implies
1. I was on to something
2. The people who were vocal about scumreading me were scum

which I think points at Fire Assassin twice


I already have a psychology degree anyway

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That was indeed a pretty wild RCE take.

My reminder on submitting numbers was because I recalled someone not doing it right last game. Nothing to do with being a PR because as you can probably tell from reading my flip I was basically a VT from my perspective.

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Dann has felt town to me the whole time

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I'm most concerned that in relation to my death 2 separate players felt the need to clarify it totally wasn't because of my read accuracy, and the game as a whole has since avoided doing anything I would have approved of

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Spoiler: Poirotposting

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kind of think its wild that Dannflor + GuiltyLion seem to be universally townread, have thread control, have hit no scum, and aren't being targetted by nightkills.

I don't think it's strange that people who keep missing would be left alive for the first couple of phases. You might also note that neither are quite universally townread

Gamestate-wise scum had the option to do whatever this night phase because barring night actions, regardless of who they kill, the lim was gonna be Ranger

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Neither would I

That was just the direction things were going in

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You were pretty doomed there tbh

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Oh is this the part where they complain about how much power town has after seeing like 4 flips

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Have scum tried doing any maths to figure out how many PRs there are actually doing things
Given the claims at this point it should be super easy to get more setup info

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I am 100% certain that has to be a scumslip, yeah

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Town would literally never encounter SPR as an acronym except in the rules lmao

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Wouldn't be surprised if in Titus' brain the S probably stands for studying

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How is wheme still alive

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Based on how Wheme is claiming I can only assume you must have delivered his role information over multiple different PMs

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Hey look people are finally actually remembering that I had reads before I got killed on N1

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Is it to do with claimed neapolitan Furtiveglance having a VT result on claimed neighbouriser Wheme

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Oh never mind that was in the previous day phase

He did kinda make this post saying that a PR that had fully studied at 100% every day would get an ambiguous result, then later this one saying nah it's fine but that was all week 4

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Oh never mind that was in the previous day phase

He did kinda make this post saying that a PR that had fully studied at 100% every day would get an ambiguous result, then later this one saying nah it's fine but that was all week 4

ebwop for links being same post

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Spoiler: Correct answer

Oh, it's mr wheme park claiming to be the same flavour dannflor fakeclaimed

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So yeah obviously the other one is Titus talking about SPR lmao

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Spoiler:

Well I guess I can now confirm I was killed because my readslist placed 3/4 scum in the scumpile and not because I wAs ClEaRlY a PoWeR rOlE

Thanks for that one RCE

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Spoiler:

I only noticed because Datisi set the challenge to look for it, and my immediate response was to ISO my scumreads from day 1 since I've only kinda been following the game since

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I still have no idea why mafia prioritised killing you under those circumstances regardless but I imagine the scum PT will be a more interesting read for me than the main game thread

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Town don't even need to wake up

The Titus slip was so blatantly obvious that Titus is a definite lim.

From there,

Spoiler:

there is enough support for a Furtive lim. Furtive hasn't explicitly slipped in this day phase, although he did notably and very clearly contradict his own claim in day 4. Furtive will likely be the second lim of this day phase, which leaves Wheme as the last scum.

I still don't understand why anybody has thought Wheme is even remotely town this game and I'm going to be increasingly annoyed as we go through even more phases without him being taken out, but they'll maybe get to him eventually because his claim is atrociously bad.

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Spoiler: End of day

So, assuming furtive/titus lims with the double lim:

WhemeStar with his bad claim vs:

Ranger - VT, cleared by RCE
osuka - VT
KatyKimFanClub - Mason
NorwegianboyEE - Mason
RCEnigma - Gunsmith that won't act any more
Cephrir - kinda useless PR
Dusa - kinda useless PR
Alisae - VT

He has to kill one of the confs each night phase and push through 3 mislims in order to win. He might get one? He shouldn't though.

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I'm not actually that bothered if town veers off a cliff because I'll still get to say I told you so

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Looks like they're gonna do the expected thing though

And then who knows wrt wheme

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Sure as hell is not sheeping dead me

I had such high hopes

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You know why we didn't kill scum on day 1? Because literally nobody else wanted to do Whemestar and RCE was the only one who wanted to do furtive.

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I said I didn't care that much, but if they begrudgingly do furtive now they're gonna not do wheme maybe even at all and it's going to kill me inside if we lose because of that

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Seems it did a little, yeah

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Good stuff, they finally ended the day

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Interesting that you'd go in that direction, Dannflor, given I'd say you were the practical reason I couldn't get any eliminations through on day 1. And eliminating scum on day 1 is a core facet of my town strategy

Reality is that the scumteam needs to be robust. As an individual you can't work with everyone, and you will end up being suspicious to the people you don't work with. That group will often contain some mechanical threats. Your team as a whole needs to be able to play the odds for that, not you specifically. Sure, there is always more you could have done- but you were basically the only scum player with significant thread influence and you used it effectively.

Like, look at my week 1 readslist

Spoiler:

Town

Aristeia

Dannflor

ina marija
Dusa
GuiltyLion
NorwegianboyEE

Fire Assassin

Also town probably

Ranger
Osuka
camelCasedSnivy
RCEnigma
Sail
KatyKimFanClub
Doctor Drew

There is no null tier


Scum??

furtiveglance

Andresvmb

Titus
Whemestar

How come I didn't get any of the eliminations I wanted? Because you basically led the voting block that consisted of most of my core townreads. And it's not a total coincidence that Andres, being the one town I misplaced, was the dude who guiltied you. Basically, he was in a different sphere of influence from the one you had to operate in to prevent your buddies getting killed. Partly due to him falling behind, because that made it unclear what box he was gonna fall into. Had it not gone like it did, Andres could have been a viable mislim at some point.


But yeah, night actions are informed by dayplay. The only night action that was particularly bad for scum was Andres shooting Dannflor. Everything else was either an inevitable outcome of setup or, in the case of the enchant kill, an avoidable mistake by the scumteam

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You believed word for word the most likely player to lie about mechanics in the game and let that inform your kill for the night

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Spoiler: Poirotposting

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It may not be as hard as you think

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This game in particular

But maybe the latter too given there are often games like this that people overthink

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It spoils in the sense that one of them scumslipped at a point in the game

Do you think you can narrow it down from those 2

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Amusingly furtive also flubbed his fakeclaim, claiming both that he could not and that he could get a result on a player who had a a PR but had not gained points

Which means literally the only scum player who managed not to scumclaim was dannflor who got guiltied

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Did Wheme TMI on Day 1 I remember there was a big argument about him.

Nah

Nobody alive noticed the particular scumclaim

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Ignore the scumslip thing for now

Which do you think is scum by play? Wheme or Osuka?

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You might want to check your maths there Enchant

Wheme Park is 1v7 right now including 2 conftowns. That's over 60% town win if town had 0 additional information

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Like, that's pretty bad mechanically too

But obviously we're also dealing with an endgame and the thing with probabilities is that they're more appropriate at the start of the game to broadly determine 'fairness', rather than at the end of a game when everyone's reads should be significantly above chance

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The 3 elims take place sequentially and it's a 1/6 followed by a 1/5 followed by a 1/4

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Ah wait, maybe I'm the one being dumb here. The confs mean that the NK is irrelevant

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Yeah forget that. Pure chance is definitely 50%

Makes sense that one could surmise the probability as which half of the playerlist wheme is in, which is a coinflip

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I guess on the other hand, 50% random chance win odds are pretty stacked for town in practice