Ny 192 Dead thread

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Wait what.

PK isn't our traitor?

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>literally dies

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PK not being traitor is going to screw Titus over, I think.

Jesus.

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Zulfy refused to kill PK like I wanted to.

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I don't want to fault Zulfy but playing with him made this game no fun for me so I just wanted to die.

If I knew Titus was gonna switch in I wouldn't have done what I did with the Nero wagon.

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Wake has to indicate that he's traitor somehow to Titus for us to win this.

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Wicked said literally the following things.

"I think there's 3 scum this game."

"Yeah, I once played a 16 person game. There were 3 mafia and a traitor."

Yeah.

Maybe I got Dwlee and DN and PK lynched or at least some of them.

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But I really think PK not being traitor is going to derail the gamestate.

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God, this was a fucking confusing game.

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You know D1 I thought about the fact that setup speculation with the bulletproof in the hood made it extremely likely that Wake was scum but I shot it down because I thought other people were traitor.

Urgh.

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Oh shit should I be spoilering?

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but yeah, I sorta threw the game with the cop claim.

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I won't be too sad if we lose this.

I don't want to say anything not nice so I'll say nothing at all.

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I'd like to say, though, that I think I put Titus in the best possible position she could be in.

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Wait, threatening to replace then not doing so is against the rules?

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Ohhhhh shit.

I actually advocated for Titus to do that; I flipped my shit in a mini once and asked to replace out then retracted it (as town) when I calmed down like a few days after some bad stuff IRL.

so I should have been confirmed town for doing that?

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Oh, and sorry for what I said Nero.

I hope that when you realized I was scum you realized that I didn't mean it at all

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No, that was 165.

167 was the one where we were scum with nacho/ffery, mara/cabd, and orc, and there was probably cheating involved.

I remain firmly convinced that there was no cheating involved.

You guys were blatantly hard defending each other without explaining your townreads.

Like, blatantly. I was already pretty sure you were scum before what's his face started saying his piece but the moment he did it was like obvious, dominos fell into place.

There's a reason I was comfortable guiltying you there, and it's the same reason that your partner would fakeclaim a guilty on you and not react it; you guys were obviously working together and making little to no effort to conceal it for w/e reason.

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fakeclaim an inno*

I look back at the game and I see where his thought process went. The thought process may have been a trust tell for the one slot; but getting one of you pinned as scum 100% dominoed the others in that game.

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No, not at all. It wasn't like a rational decision, it was more of an ugh do I have to play this game any longer with Mollie and PK emotionally manipulating the shit out of me.

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I hope it wasn't too obvious that I intended to be lynched that day.

I was fighting hard but then Titus kept talking to me like she wanted me to hurry up and get myself lynched so I slipped on my reads a few times so that I could selfhammer.

I think once a few lynches have gone down and people realize the DN thing was planned people might realize what's going on and look for a bus.

Hopefully they'd look at Mollie first though, especially if PK gets lynched.

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Fuck me. I misposted into

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Fuck me can anyone here get a hold of AP IRL?

I accidentally misposted something into mafia instead of dead thread, and it's really fucking bad.

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I sent her a PM not to open the thread but I don't know I'm going to contact a listmod or somethign and see if they can do something.

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well fuck this game is absolutely ruined.

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Nero do you have any way of getting in touch with a mod?

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like this game is literally ruined if we don't immediately get a hold of a mod

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or does anyone have a way of getting a hold of Titus and stopping her from logging in?

I posted something into the the wrong thread

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and it just had to be the one fucking post that would ruin the game like literally anything else

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its reported I bumped it to the second page idk what else to do

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basically it makes it clear that firebringer is pr

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and fuck me because the wording of it makes it look so intentional

i pmed broseidon i think he and AP are friends

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urgh this is so bad.

I reported the posts as well so maybe the mods can take care of it.

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and fuck me that's Titus on an alt.

I messaged her saying to not log in.

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Oh thank god it's the other head.

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fuck me if she's east coast she could have even seen it before bed

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her latest post was at 1:14 server which is 10:14 her time so not likely

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can a mod log on

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Thank you so much chamber.

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anyway,

as I was telling Titus

, I think she basically has the game in the bag so long as she

1) kills or lynches Firebringer.

and

2) doesn't kill Wake.

Wake's going to need to blatantly signal, I think.
Firebringer will most likely be forced to claim or even lynched by town which would hand Titus the game on a silver platter.

Titus legitimately believes that PK is scum traitor and was planning to patsy us both for towncred so that push should look sincere as well.

I think the bus looks pretty sincere from her side and a few of the posts that she made just don't at all look like a bus. I think she wins this.

If Wake gets night killed there may be issues but short of that I think she'll be fine.

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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST TITUS IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW WHAT THE HELL.

CHAMBER IS LITERALLY AMAZING.

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Urgh, I shouldn't have messaged the Mollie/Titus hydra. Didn't realize they were both in the game.

Something still needs to be done

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Ugh, if mollie figures out what happened I basically just fucked Titus over.

I should have checked which head it was first...

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I just realized the PM didn't address the game at all and was in fact pretty vague and explicitly states that Mollie isn't impacted, so maybe she'll think it was about a different game.

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OOOH SHIT THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE TITUS THING AT ALL SHE THINKS I WAS OGIing BY CLAIMING DN AS SCUM AFTER MY LYNCH.

OK.

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Remind me to apologize @ DeathNote please.

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But I don't think that comment is called for.

no shit I'd explain who the SK is if I was mafia getting lynched?

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I don't think that's what she's referring to though; the PM's didn't refer to anything to do with ongoing games, all they said was that I wanted Titus not to log into her account, and then a follow up saying Oh it's Mollie, nvm this doesn't concern you at all.

I think what's going on is to do with my post-lynch claim that DN is SK more than anything.

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Titus never got the information though, and I don't think Mollie thinks that the pms were related to this game in particular nor that they make Titus scum.

If anything, I'd say the optimal move would be to let the game go on because if we locked people would suspect shenanigans, but if we ignore it people will assume nothing happened... which is good imo.

Anyway, I don't really get a say considering I fucked it up for everyone but that's what I think.

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Issue is fixed, don't worry about anything.

Plus I'm assuming this is Mollie who is online, who wouldn't be impacted anyway.

pls don't even log onto Titus if you can avoid ti.

I really don't think this would even lead Mollie to think about this game unless Titus already said something :\

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I'm really sorry man.

idk what else to say.

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I honestly think the optimal thing to do would be to outright lie to Mollie and say it had something to do with a different ongoing game.

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still super sorry about that

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thanks for confirming titus and errant for town!

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Ugh, so they both ended up /outing.

i'm so sorry.

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just modkill me.

I did enough damage and at least it'll clean up the game by putting the blame on me and reducing speculation.

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To be fair, Titus shouldn't have to replace because of that considering she knows that she's town anyway.

I think she can stick around, right?

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I'm glad this little number wasn't my fault though.

Regardless, I think Titus should be allowed to stay???

I don't think Mollie was ever in contention for our traitor slot, she reacted way too viscerally to being pushed.

#keeptitus2016

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Plus I think it would be incredibly unhealthy for the gamestate for that scum slot to switch owners again.

If you just replaced Mollie people would assume it was, as she said, because I sent her PMs so I don't think that would do too much damage to anything.

I'm not sure if you'd find replacements on short notice either, and that will leave this game in autopilot with no scums :\

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I mean otherwise you're looking at a scumteam with no original members and no members who were in game at the time of the last scumflip.

Like it would literally be like replacing into a serial killer slot.

If you replace Titus now it's going to end up being a shitty game that no one will enjoy regardless of who wins.

That's how I feel about it. Either scum will get a replacement who is good and coasts off of the fact that the entire game will be judged off of associatives during my lynch or one who does nothing and just gets autolynched and to me either outcome will end up being a stupid end to this game.

If you replace Mollie and modkill my slot I don't think anyone would suspect shenanigans.

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I mean you could argue it's sorta unfair that Titus knows for sure that one slot is not traitor but I think letting the game carry on like that is preferable to the alternative, especially if you consider you may not get a replacement at all and the game can't go on without it's last remaining scum.

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And really though; we knew Mollie claimed VT and we knew she wasn't traitor.

So the information is almost certainly not going to compromise the game whatsoever.

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Yeah, but only Titus and Mollie know that.

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I mean, yeah, it's true that Titus does get a slight information advantage, but you could argue that it's not going to change any of her plans.

Neither I nor her were inclined to think that PM was anything besides VT and PK not flipping traitor would not change that.

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I honestly think that if we have to replace Titus again the game might as well just be ended.

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It's not strictly speaking fair, but I think it's considerably less unfair than subjecting town to another scum slot replacement.

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Did you not realize that when I made the letters post where I said that you were pausing the game that I was asking you to signal what you wanted to do?

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Yeah, I wasn't sure what was going on later on in the day so I figured you wanted me to just hurry up and get lynched.

I set up a bunch of mislynches though!

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Good job though.

I think that went quite well?

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Well, I had to look like I convincingly didn't want to get lynched.

I spam the thread alot as town :S

I actually thought JarJar tracked me, that's why I called for you to bus me. I was wrong :c

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Sorry about the topic slip and ensuing shenanigans though.

Although apparently Mollie was the one who actually made you replace out?

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yeah, sorry about that.

I don't think it was an experience that anyone will treasure looking back on.

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I feel sooo bad for PK.

I feel like this is sort of his version of 558 with how strongly he was townreading me :S

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Lynching me when I'm trying to get lynched is probably harder than lynching the vast majority of people under other circumstances.

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Hey guys I'm no expert but I THINK errantparabola is claiming traitor.

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Pisskop, if they find the traitor then they know not to nk them. there's no recruiting, and it looks like leaving the traitor alive means that they're one closer to endgame, just no groupscum

Guys, guys.

I'm no expert in mafia.

But I think this guy is a traitor.

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Ive played fine.

supanatawal

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I used to hate Keyser but I've grown to like him.

When he uses normal fonts..

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I tell him at the start of every game that I'll policy unless he switches his font.

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Unless Firebringer successfully jailkeeps.

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Errant literally claimed traitor.

I would be appalled if he got shot now.

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Says the guy who won a game by getting a townie to lynch the confirmed town over him in 3p LyLo without arguing that the inno was on a godfather.

You forget that most people on this site have very technically weak games.

That's a blatant misrep.

I argued that clearly he was roleblocked based on the fact that he claimed JoAT.

Also, both of them were clear and Godfather was confirmed not to exist in the setup.

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I specifically called forb oth my scumpartners to be on my wagon by the way, because I was sure I would be able to keep myself alive through it.

I think that's why I ended up winning.

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Eh, it wasn't THAT clearly crumbed

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I think that's a bad kill tbh but w/e

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I think I failed pretty hard at hitting the sweetspot of exactly how hard I should be fighting my lynch.

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hey lld hows it hanging

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yoooooo lld

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yes, actually.

current normal is traitor gets endgamed if alone.

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I think Cabd probably gets lynched.

My defense of Mollie can easily be spun as her having been scum.

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oi Nos. Grats on that win in machina.

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Well he's obviously not submitting actions.

Firebringer trusts me. Would I lie?

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But he's correct in this case :S

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It's weird because Titus is notorious for NOT bussing.

I don't understand PK here.

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it is. I like it.

I think Firebringer will probably get lynched in LyLo.

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Ever since this crazy shit happened I've been hyper paranoid of posting in the wrong game.

Urgh.

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ey, I don't always bus.

I think I would have won this pretty cleanly if FA, Mollie and PK fighting didn't kill my interest in continuing the game.

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I do a bunch of different stuff.

You should see the game where I played with FA on my scumteam in normal 1737 where we were messing around with each other in thread and hard buddied each other the entire game. Followed each other onto every single wagon of the entire game. At LyLo we were considered the two mostly confirmed towns and all the other towns were arguing about why we should lynch the other two.

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I think that if Firebringer mistargets town loses.

Firebringer lands the jail town probably wins.

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Doesn't Pisskop being town point to GR being scum?

not really.

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eh I had many plays to make.

but I just couldn't keep pushing the mollie/FA slot after all the AtEing they were doing and I didn't want to lynch you because I thought you were our traitor and if you were town you were townreading me so I didn't want to upset you after your whole RC ALWAYS MAKING GAMES IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO WIN shpiel.

I suck at this game fyi.

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what's going on in mafia qt?

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what's going on in mafia qt?

>.>

not killing the traitor is he?

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tbf I don'tw anna be critical but rob has played pretty awful this game.

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gg town

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This game was painful to play and half the reason I wanted to quit mafia for a while.

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Well, the issue wasn't the bussing.

I think we'd have been fine if it wasn't Golden Robster in the slot.

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Because he's legitimately done nothing that could even be construed as scumhunting?

Not that he does any better as town tbh but he's pretty glaringly obvscum.

EP isn't doing anything either. Traitor should be doing work to get a push going somewhere else, but traitor is lurksacking which is unacceptable.

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EP is doing a psis poor job of being traitor.

he should have claimed a PR or something, should acutally be pushing the lynch away from Rob

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Me, Titus, and Wake had the last two scum slots so townread until the replacements drove them into the ground.

Urgh.

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Should have done SOMETHING.

Just sitting by and letting himself get endgamed is awful.

The replacements scum got did fairly awful tbh.

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It's ok. Shit happens.

I loved the game. Can't win them all.

I could.

Until this one.

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my issue with the Zulfy interactions is more that his read on RC looked really really strained - i think he was going for a distancing play there and not realizing just how forced it was coming across.

posts like 1508, for instance, just read like he was coming up with bullshit for the sake of looking like he had more material to push RC with, cos there was, and is, no logical reason for it. there was nothing RC said that could have seriously been interpreted as a "scum slip" without severe mental gymnastics. and then, after he mentioned it, he didn't even remotely push it in a way i would expect from town who thought they found a slip. he should have been all over people getting them to see what they was seeing if he actually found a slip, he didn't even so much as _explain_ it. there are a lot more like this that i found in my original pass of the game which i laid out in a previous post.

Knew we had already lost when this happened.

Zulfy's play at the beginning of day 2 was soo bad

I've beaten scum-you before!

Pre-2015

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I got RBer guiltied tho