Micro 788 - AlexDino PT

Alexcellent · Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:10 pm

Yo, want to try that gambit again?

Alexcellent · Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:21 pm

Haha.

Are you and Lovebird coordinating those votes on Ausuka?

Alexcellent · Post Post #5 (isolation #2) » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:46 pm

haha fair enough then. Have you spoken to any of the others yet?

Alexcellent · Post Post #7 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:47 am

Did Ausuka react to your vote at all?

Alexcellent · Post Post #9 (isolation #4) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:59 am

Hm fair enough. Has SomethingSmart spoken to you much?

Alexcellent · Post Post #11 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:12 am

Yeah he mentioned being endgamed by you haha.
Nothing really interesting. I asked Ausuka about the votes on her, she shrugged them off as probably RVS but hasn't said anything else to me.
I asked Lovebird the same thing if she coordinated the votes on Ausuka with you and she said no.

Alexcellent · Post Post #12 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:31 am

Has Lovebird been interacting with you much?

She's not as talkative this game as she was last game, with me at least

Alexcellent · Post Post #14 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:16 pm

Yeah I still haven't heard back from her on anything, but Ausuka has also said that Lovebird hasn't been that talkative so, unsure if activity is NAI here. I'll wait for a response.

What do you think of Ausuka?

Alexcellent · Post Post #16 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:30 pm

Probs NAI then

I'm mixed on her.
She told me she's voting me as she felt I was the least genuine in her interactions and others were more interested in scumhunting than me, which I found somewhat rich given that she hadn't asked me anything and had been quite passive in our PT until she voted me. However I don't think I view that as scummy, just a little hypocritical.
One or two very, very minor things that ping me as off from her which might be nothing but I'm waiting on some replies from her to get a better read.

Alexcellent · Post Post #18 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:48 pm

I haven't heard anything from SS today.

But here's the gist of what I've gone over with him:

SS wanted me to wagon you with him and put you at L-1 as a reaction test. After your 10 I assumed you were expecting it so I told him it was probably pointless. He said he still kind of wants to do the reaction test anyway, I told him if he votes you then I'll join him, but he hasn't voted you. So I figure the reaction test isn't happening at this point.
Interestingly, Ausuka told me that she suggested to SS doing a reaction test, which he said he didn't think it would do anything and wasn't interested. Apparently after she voted me, he brought up the idea of the reaction test and changed his mind but at that point Ausuka didn't want to do it any more. I believe that's what Ausuka was telling me at least, I'm waiting on a response from her.

I do not know if that's AI, and I'm unsure if the reaction test he was going to do with Ausuka was on you or me or Lovebird, waiting for that info still. But it is strange that he would suggest doing a reaction test with me, but not want to do it with Ausuka, then change his mind later on. I haven't mentioned any of this to him yet though.

Alexcellent · Post Post #19 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:49 pm

Also I don't know if giving you all of this info is the right play as there's a 1 in 4 that you're scum, but I figure the more info out there gets the game moving

Alexcellent · Post Post #22 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:37 pm

Yeah fair point on scumSS.

Do you think Lovebird's inactivity is at all alignment indicative or are you thinking scum purely by PoE?

The reads I gave to Ausuka, which haven't changed are:

You
SS
Ausuka
Lovebird

I'm feeling like I'll wait and see what Lovebird has to say once she returns, if she's just site inactive I'm not sure that means anything

Alexcellent · Post Post #25 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:45 pm

Lovebird appears to be posting elsewhere on site. If she hasn't responded to me by tomorrow I'll be fine with voting her.

Pedit: It's a very weak and early town lean, but you're playing differently this time around than last time. That's not really a huge thing since you're obviously self aware of playstyle and probably aren't going to play two identical scum games, but I've got little else to go on here.

Alexcellent · Post Post #26 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:52 pm

Lovebird is now at L-1.

She's finally spoken to me, told me something about being busy and not wanting to send the same message to everyone or something, then she echoed the same town read on you and implied a scum read on Ausuka for being quiet.

Pre sure Ausuka's town. Haven't spoken a lot to SS. LB's done no scumhunting with me at all. I don't think this is her town game.

Alexcellent · Post Post #28 (isolation #14) » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:06 pm

Did you end up getting back to her?

SS has been talking to her to ask what she thinks about my vote on her (he didn't want me to tell him my reasons because he wanted to have a more "authentic" conversation with her). She apparently told him that people haven't been responding to her. I know that's not true from my end as I asked her a question and she hasn't responded to me.

Alexcellent · Post Post #30 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:19 am

Any news?

Still feel the same about LB?

This game is making me paranoid and I'm having a really tough time solving anything

Alexcellent · Post Post #31 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:46 am

I went through Lovebird's PTs from the last game. She's playing with what I think is a similar tone at least - but she was more pro-active in that game, whereas here I feel she's being quite passive still.

Have you heard much from SS?

Alexcellent · Post Post #32 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:18 am

She mentioned something weird that she heard something apparently happened with me and Ausuka and she heard it from you but you didn't say what it was? It was super vague and I assume she was talking about Ausuka's earlier vote on me?
Are you able to clarify what LB's talking about?

Alexcellent · Post Post #37 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:33 pm

uhh I guess. Do you require context for every post? Otherwise here's basically the rundown of our PT, only what she has told me and it's paraphrased without context:

"No, are you?"
"Using the same intro as last time?"
"I have only talked to Math. Our votes weren't coordinated. I was reaction testing him."
"I told Math last time that I don't see the point in RVS and I wanted to see if he would bring it up and what he would think of it. He hasn't mentioned it yet."
"Ausuka asked if I got any reactions and if our votes were coordinated."
"I have been busy and didn't want to send the same message to everybody. I think I told Ausuka maybe."
"No big reads. Leaning town on Math for different playstyle. Ausuka's could be scum as she is being quiet."
"Nobody told me but something happened with you and Ausuka?"
"Math told me but didn't clarify what it was, neither did Ausuka."
"I feel dumb now, could have sworn I told Ausuka about being busy."
"Haven't spoken to her much, but she asked pretty good questions so I could see that. I'm surprised to hear that she is scumreading me."
"SS told me about the reaction tests but he described them very differently to you. Math mentioned them as well and townreads SS for it."
"She told me that she was townreading me, but that was after what you said. SS and I have mainly talked about Math. He hasn't said anything for a while."
"I think scum is you or Math at the moment."
"My top townread is Ausuka, I think the reaction tests make SS town. Haven't gotten a lot to read Math or you. Actually Math is very quiet."

Alexcellent · Post Post #38 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:34 pm

In post 35, Mathdino wrote:
ausuka relayed her read on you to me

while i didn't necessarily agree with all of it, i strongly believed her read was genuine

lovebird asked me why i was voting lovebird, and i responded by explaining why i wasn't reading everyone else

in particular my townread on ausuka was based on ausuka's read on you, and i suggested that lovebird ask ausuka about it herself to get her own impression

This is strange as Ausuka tells it a little differently and says that she never gave you her read on me and that you used Lovebird to try to get it (which I see as a reasonably townie move) without her ever giving you the read. I might have misinterpreted what she was saying?

Alexcellent · Post Post #39 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm

@Archwing

- I hope that paraphrasing is fine?? If not please feel free to delete

Alexcellent · Post Post #41 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:51 pm

I'll double check with her

What town tell do you have on LB?

Alexcellent · Post Post #44 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:21 pm

Dude to be honest I dunno. I still think Lovebird's probably scum.

Here's what I'll tell you

If you're town, and you're alive tomorrow with Ausuka and SS, my gut says Ausuka.

Few minor things from her that bug me. She asked me earlier in the day who I think scum is if Lovebird flips town. That struck me as a question that would be more scum motivated than town motivated. I told her if Lovebird's town, then scum is Ausuka. Looks like I'm now being lynched. Maybs coincidence, maybs not. I think the simplest thing for scum!Ausuka though would probably have just been to stay on Lovebird as scum.

Her going from hard scum reading Lovebird (at one point she told me she wouldn't want to lynch anyone else) to hard town reading her is a bit odd. I'm not sure about the motivation for it from a scum perspective. She seemed to change views on that at sometime yesterday I think. Possible if you or SS told her that you're now town reading LB that she's decided to move votes. Not sure.

But I dunno. My gut in that scenario is that Ausuka is scum, but SS needs to be grilled hard. He's gotten a bit of a pass today I think.

But I don't know, you could be scum for all I know. I don't THINK that you are but I haven't ruled it out. I still don't really see the town!Lovebird that everyone else does really.