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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:22 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:07 pm

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ffs thor
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:54 pm

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In post 67, Zyf wrote:SMURFIN HELL
THOR GET TF IN HERE
What the heck is the bee in your bonnet, sweet cheeks?
In post 72, NJAC wrote:If there was a scum in Naru's wagon it's N_M.
I would tend to agree with this, though it's hard to parse him because he so aggressively plays anti-town.
I also remain pretty neutral on Tex - that is not a particularly brilliant slot for town, but I do feel like Peng and N_M are hard competing to be worse than him.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:38 pm

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in my last game skold deliberately played a TERRIBLE game of "fuck it I'm going to oppose every wagon then just sit my ass on the biggest wagon at deadline"

and they were scum
SOOO N_M needs to eat rope imo
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:32 pm

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I don't think anyone particularly disagrees that the slot is dreck.
Do you town or scum vibe Penguin at the moment?
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:21 pm

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Would need to properly reprocess their ISO, but their last bit came off with town vibes
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:23 pm

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Imagine if naru was a mason...
Can i just note that I roll not!VT an unusually high amount of times

Btw thor did you crumb in any way? i didn't bother to check.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:26 pm

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Bbt still relevant to your scumteam?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:31 am

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I crumbed enough.

BBT vibes town to me at the moment, though half of that read is from his buddying, but I don't really grok the scum push some have on him.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:14 am

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so we chasing penguin and N_M tomorrow, yeah?
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:25 am

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Thor claimed in his first D2 post. I'm afraid scum noted it. One of us is probably going to die tonight.

I probably slipped a bit when I copied my reads from this thread on D2. I didn't include Zyf in them. Hopefully it can pass unnoticed.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:05 am

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N_M should be tomorrow's lynch, BTW.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:08 am

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oh wow
ok thanks for outing us thor ffs what was that

Ok, I'll follow Penguin initially then jump on later, if i can
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:21 am

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No need to alarm, I still think Thor did fine. I mean, I don't think he outed us, and the crumb is there for future purpose, if necessary.

Scum should now know we recruited a town. With Thor's claim they will probably shoot him tonight.

Again, the crumb is only useful in LyLo or MyLo, with a scum fakeclaiming mason.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:39 am

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In post 87, Zyf wrote:oh wow
ok thanks for outing us thor ffs what was that

Ok, I'll follow Penguin initially then jump on later, if i can
:neutral:

Go and read what I posted, NJAC is being horribly paranoid, and you're being comically over reactive.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:40 am

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Like, you didn't even remember if I claimed.
NJAC thinking mentioning a five post dance equates to cluing scum in is...well, I suppose it could be feasible, but it's pretty unlikely I wager.
I'll be happy to take a bet on it - how about if they didn't figure it out from my post then you *never* get to say the f-word or any abbreviation thereof to me ever again.
And if they do, I'll always mention whenever I claim that I wish I could learn to do it as well as you.

Done and done.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:21 am

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LOL, it's more the "such is my claim" part that could give clue to scum, but as I said I think you did fine. Had they noted the claim or not, scum are probably debating in their PT if you were recruited, and I wager they're considering shooting you right now.

Anyway, I might be wrong and we are all surviving tonight. We should not bother to bet on it, but to discuss who's scum.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:08 am

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Considering how many people appear to suspect me, I'm a perfectly fine person for scum to shoot - as I'm pretty much likely going to be obligated to claim or to be shot one way or the other prior to game end, and since there's zero way to connect me back to the two of you, the issue becomes fairly moot as a concern.

Also, Zyf's constant f-bombing me while not actually apparently having anything to talk about with me curls my annoyance toes and makes me want to hiss back at him.

I am not sure on scum kill thoughts - but agree with you that it is fairly meaningless to debate them beforehand.

I stand by my N_M read at the moment.
I don't feel BBT scum.
I'm fencesitting on Penguin, but his attitude about my wagon felt more townish than some others despite how bad his logic was - at least he stated and defended his logic.

I'd say likely one scum on me, one on Naru.
I kind of feel Dunn or Penguin off
Tex or N_M on.

I'd like to flip Tex or N_M with a current preference for N_M.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:19 am

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i don't think tex is scum tbh
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:20 am

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Io's death was an attempt to kill a mason, I think. Scum priority is to kill a mason right now. That's why I was considering our chances of surviving. But we've had enough of it.

I like your reads Thor, and I'm doing some ISOs right now. So far I find the interactions between karnos and N_M interesting. Karnos pushed a lot for a N_M lynch, even to the point of defending Martha/texcat's slot, and encouraging people to move to N_M's wagon. I'm afraid N_M could be town :facepalm:. It's annoying how antitown he is.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:21 am

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In post 93, Zyf wrote:i don't think tex is scum tbh
Agree.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:22 am

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Although, karnos' defense on texcat's slot is kinda making me doubt my read on her.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:29 am

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In post 92, Thor665 wrote:I don't feel BBT scum.
Is there some meta involved or is it exclusively based on this game?
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:43 am

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look at their last post–"kill zyf and texcat"
i can't tell if that's a red herringgggg
and they point to hark too

i'm gonna gamble and say we push texcat
if i'm not there, push 'em hard without getting them killed immediately
n_m can get pushed by others without us having to get our hands too deep in the blood
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:33 am

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In post 97, NJAC wrote:
In post 92, Thor665 wrote:I don't feel BBT scum.
Is there some meta involved or is it exclusively based on this game?
As far as meta goes, I don't see their play here as different from what I would expect - though I'm hardly claiming awareness of brilliant town or scum meta...but I think anyone who claims that is silly.
I don't get the particular flow of thinking he's scum either - what's he done that's scummy?
I feel like the case on him exists for a 'lack of clear town' concept rather than the opposite.
In post 98, Zyf wrote:n_m can get pushed by others without us having to get our hands too deep in the blood
You're talking like scum - at the end of the day we know our votes are town, there is a value in a vote we agree with being the one that goes through.
I agree N_M is a cuss to read - that's why we need to lynch him every game until he learns how to play as town.
I've seen hm do better than this as town (and scum) in the past - so he's a solid enough lynch option almost regardless. if he's not scum, scum isn't shooting him. (incidentally - he would have been a better mason target than me - just saying, I can actually town if people relax on the paranoia for five minutes.)

I could vaguely buy Tex as town off general positioning, but I presume we can agree that scum voted for Naru, right?
To my mind that says - who do you town read more, Pengy or Tex?
I'd probably say Pengy myself.
What about you two?
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