Newbie 1809 | Gentoo | Dead PT

[RadiantCowbells]

won't matter when cabd is refusing to vote gif ever

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler: PR Results

They have an inno on the Pickles slot (Flavor Leaf) and an inno on RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

what kind of idiot checks me last night jesus.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh cabd is cop that was easy.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is gg if cabd is the conftown because afaik he doesn't have any reads that aren't based off of terrible setup speculation

[mhsmith0]

Wolves missing the cop with roleblock and night kill TWICE??????

[mhsmith0]

Actually, why didn't wolves shoot n1 (can't have been a save since doc was lynched)? The vague benefit of being able to claim that scum were doing some weird gambit seems WAY less profitable than getting 2/6 shots at tagging the cop (roleblock + night kill)

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler:

They forgot to submit a kill

[mhsmith0]

Wolves' advantage this game...

[UnaBombaH]

I forgot I was able to post here.
First time I get a chance to discuss the game with someone, without having to pose anything.

Do we actually have any idea who the scum is?

[mhsmith0]

Yes. If you want to be spoiled, you can click the spoiler tags. If you'd rather work through the game and try and solve it yourself (which I do endorse fwiw), then please do NOT click the spoiler buttons.

[mhsmith0]

There are three ways to go about this.

I'm going to list them, and then without any claiming, players should vote for their choice before we proceed.

1) The Easy Way
2) The Hard Way
3) The Trolling Way

Let's go for #3

[mhsmith0]

The three things before I crash after hell on earth: the IT happening

1: The tracker and or cop does not claim. Every living player hypothetical-claims.
(Meaning each player posts something to the effect of "If I was cop, I targeted Xa Light; innocent and GuyInFreezer; Innocent, If I were tracker I tracked Xa Light nowhere night one, and guy in freezer nowhere night two." Town should make up random targets to provide a smokescreen for the real PR) If the PR is ran up, they explicitly claim PR.

2: If it's a cop, Cop just outright claims and we take them and any innocents still alive off the table. Then we try to POE. If it's tracker, only they themselves are off the table but we use the day before LYLO to use that confirmed town voice.

3: Nobody claims shit unless they have a guilty; the PR only claims if ran up.


I will note that if the PR does not reveal themselves today AND we mislynch; we go into LYLO with a 1v1 claim between the real PR and mafia.

Correct approach given two living peeks (if that existed): first #1, then #2. Force scum to hypo claim stuff and see what shakes out of it (also it's hard to CC when an innocent hypo claim is on the table). With one living peek it's less optimal to transition to #2 but still not completely horrible.

Also there's additional stuff that's objectively optimal given hypo peeks (I've played a LOT of turbos with cops with random n0 town peeks, so peekonomics is something I've got some experience with), but given that this suggestion didn't really hit the right notes I don't think that they'll get where they need to be on it.

[UnaBombaH]

why is it stupid though, if someone "claims" vanilla town they should just be ignored, I mean everyone is town right? thats what they'll tell you at least.

Idea I got while re-reading, this isnt posted by someone with a Vanilla Townie PM.

Reasonable assumption?

[PenguinPower]

Spoiler: Reasonable assumption?

Well...he doesn't have a Vanilla Townie PM, so, it must be.

[UnaBombaH]

Just got that idea while reading, but thought it might be reachy..

[UnaBombaH]

Yes. If you want to be spoiled, you can click the spoiler tags. If you'd rather work through the game and try and solve it yourself (which I do endorse fwiw), then please do NOT click the spoiler buttons.

I didnt even realize penguin has spoiled it somewhere under spoilertags!

I obviously don't want to get spoiled, and I had time in the last day or so to read the game.

What bothers me about Xa, is that post I quoted here too.
I thought it might be a PR-slip at first.
But if RC is correct, cabd would be the cop.
Also, Xa was mostly townread by everyone at one point, and that combined with the potential slip I quoted, why on earth wasnt he the NK?

Am I missing something here?

I would've also left RC alive so that he cant confirm his alignment, and killed Xa/Cabd.

This led me to believe that Xa might be scum, and since he is new, it MIGHT explain the way scums night actions have gone so far.

My favorite candidate for scum all game has been GIF, especially after RC scumread him for the same reasons of not engaging, but would he let N1 go to waste?
Or is there really any strategy possibly behind it?

Xa/GIF doesnt seem reasonable/unreasonable to me in any way, but I cant see two experienced players as scum this game. Or maybe Im just dumb.

[UnaBombaH]

what kind of idiot checks me last night jesus.

No wait, this could still pin Xa as the cop?

[RadiantCowbells]

>sheeping me
>voting the person I voted as a compromise because no one would vote gif the entire day rather than the person I spent the whole day voting

[RadiantCowbells]

man cabd could have an uncced cop with a guilty on gif and he still wouldn't vote gif

[mhsmith0]

If I was scum (presuming town lolhammers fire), I'd be kind of tempted to roleblock the cop, kill his peek, and retain the option of claiming tracker in LYLO. If nothing else it gives the board additional nonsense to waste time yelling about...

[mhsmith0]

Gif doesn't nokill night one knowing there's a cop in the setup.

There's a very low chance of fire-town here; especially with the kill being what it was.

Spoiler:

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm always surprised when people think they know better than me when it comes to stuff I have more experience in, like nokills and firecrocer meta

rofl

[mhsmith0]

[RadiantCowbells]

it's tragic because, as usual, it's the experienced players and ICs that are guaranteeing that town loses the newbie game